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mind the walrus posted:Hoplite skirt > Bathing suit > Pants It being a good or fitting costume isn't what's up for debate.
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What is up for debate then? I have clearly missed something.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:07
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That female costumes almost always show way more skin than the male ones, as per all the girls in Suicide Squad bearing their midriff.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:15
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Then I didn't misunderstand. Harley Quinn has always been stylized as a sexpot whether it was in a bodysuit or in neo-juggalo gear. Wonder Woman has always shown legs and as I stated her pants don't suit her character versus a Hoplite skirt. Every character on the poster other than Wonder Woman has historically been in a full body suit. I am not saying your point about gender tropes is invalid, but I am saying it is not like they retrofitted traditionally modest characters and that in the particular case of Wonder Woman nor Harley Quinn it is not a hill worth dying on. Power Girl? Ab-Window Huntress? Black Canary? Supergirl with a miniskirt? Perez-era or New 52 Starfire? You bet your rear end I'll go to bat for those. Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman? I'm nonplussed. Superheroines in film are still a problem, but honestly? On the whole? I haven't had too much to complain about in the last 6 years.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:31
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I'd get your argument if these costumes had anything in common whatsoever.   Classic Harley is probably one of the least revealing costumes a female comic character has ever worn.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:42
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I actually really love the Suicide Squad costume, it's easily one of my favorite outfits ever, much less for Harley specifically, but that doesn't keep it from also being a product of lovely attitudes ingrained in the comic book and movie industries. Seeing Wonder Woman, the one lone woman in the Justice League, dressed like that while all the guys have full body costumes is a particularly striking example of a number of problems coming to a head.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:54
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JT Smiley posted:I'd get your argument if these costumes had anything in common whatsoever. The point is that Harley has been sexualized from day one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYSNUL2hrQM So her being sexualized now isn't some contrary trend. A huge part of her character archetype is that of a doctor-gone-trashy, and being sexual is a part of that. ----------------------------------- Context is everything. If Wonder Woman's bare legs aren't being shown in a needlessly sexualized way that is contrary to her character and the situation at hand, then I don't really have a problem with it, especially given that they didn't use the bathing suit look. This cast photo and the trailers--however atrocious otherwise--don't do that. WickedHate posted:that doesn't keep it from also being a product of lovely attitudes ingrained in the comic book and movie industries. In broad strokes I do agree with you, but respectfully I think you're overreacting in this particular case quote:Seeing Wonder Woman, the one lone woman in the Justice League, dressed like that while all the guys have full body costumes is a particularly striking example of a number of problems coming to a head. This isn't some watershed moment. She was revealed over a year ago for Batman v Superman and her look is in no way bucking the trend of lady characters in movies all the way back to Ms. Teschmacher in Superman 77 with her giant tits hanging out all the time. That is a problem and does need to change, but all this has been is confirmation of the status quo and on two characters that I don't think are done in any sort-of awful way. I do respect you and our right to disagree, but I do very firmly disagree in this particular case. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 04:06
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mind the walrus posted:In broad strokes I do agree with you, but respectfully I think you're overreacting in this particular case Well, it's not like I'm freaking out and demanding protests be staged. I'd actually go see Suicide Squad if not for deciding to watch Kickboxer instead.
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Jul 25, 2016 04:15
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You all have it completely backwards. The actual problem here is all the full body suits male characters wear. Those are ridiculous.
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Jul 25, 2016 04:24
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Heck yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOHraf3LEk
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Jul 25, 2016 04:55
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Aphrodite posted:You all have it completely backwards. The actual problem here is all the full body suits male characters wear. Those are ridiculous. Especially Aquaman, a character who both swims all the time and is played by a famously ripped and sexy dude. He doesn't need to be wearing a full suit of leather armor.
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JT Smiley posted:I'd get your argument if these costumes had anything in common whatsoever. Yes, one of the least revealing costumes, a coat of paint over a naked body
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fatherboxx posted:Yes, one of the least revealing costumes, a coat of paint over a naked body You could sum up the most of Bruce Timm's character designs like that, including Batman.
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Jul 25, 2016 06:58
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My main complaint is how Cyborg looks. I was kind of hoping Hollywood would give him a cool new look, because something about his current comic look just doesn't sit well with me for live action.
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JT Smiley posted:You could sum up the most of Bruce Timm's character designs like that, including Batman. For Timm, the most important thing in costumes is how perky the tits would look like.
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Jul 25, 2016 07:43
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FAT BATMAN posted:My main complaint is how Cyborg looks. I was kind of hoping Hollywood would give him a cool new look, because something about his current comic look just doesn't sit well with me for live action. The Transformers movies were a practice run for Cyborg's costume.
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Jul 25, 2016 07:50
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JT Smiley posted:You could sum up the most of Bruce Timm's character designs like that, including Batman. You can sum up clothes in general like that really.
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Jul 25, 2016 08:32
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CharlestheHammer posted:You can sum up clothes in general like that really. You wear whatever you want, but my wardrobe doesn't consist of things that could easily be confused with well done body paint.
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Jul 25, 2016 08:37
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To be honest I don't see the body paint thing in general. Edit I guess in the cartoon I could but that seems to be because it wasn't given much detail when animated. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 08:38
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Someday tights are gonna come back into fashion and this "jacket and baggy pants" thing will be an embarrassing memory.
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Jul 25, 2016 08:49
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Flesh Forge posted:Someday tights are gonna come back into fashion and this "jacket and baggy pants" thing will be an embarrassing memory. Jeans in the past 10 years or so have been super skinny (although it's going out a bit). Not quite tights, but definitely not baggy.
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Skwirl posted:You wear whatever you want, but my wardrobe doesn't consist of things that could easily be confused with well done body paint. Well yeah, you're super fat though. j/k skwirl ur my m8 etc.
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FAT BATMAN posted:My main complaint is how Cyborg looks. I was kind of hoping Hollywood would give him a cool new look, because something about his current comic look just doesn't sit well with me for live action. I like the joke someone made that he looks like a graphics card with a face.
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mind the walrus posted:I like how nearly a decade after Marvel proved you don't need to put sculpted abs on superhero suits we've got an entire fleet of dudes with them. Ok granted we have one character who rocks the ab look: JT Smiley posted:My wife loving loves that version of Wonder Woman, but her main issue with WW's design is the total lack of boob support.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:26
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JoshTheStampede posted:Especially Aquaman, a character who both swims all the time and is played by a famously ripped and sexy dude. He doesn't need to be wearing a full suit of leather armor. Yeah, this. Everyone knows you need to show off the man candy too, comic book movies are supposed to cater to a wider audience than comic books. edit: I mean it's jason freaking momoa, y'know? He's about one flesh-toned undergarment away from being literally a porn star. Ignite Memories fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 16:37
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VagueRant posted:
Ready for Superman to go back to a matte/cloth costume instead of this latex/leather thing we've had for years now. Somebody put Cavill into the Man of Steel suit, brighten the colors and make the shield larger. Boom. Done.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:48
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We're missing J'onn J'onzz. You just can't have a Justice League without a manhunter from Mars.
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I've always kind of disliked the way Comic Cyborg is drawn, and was hoping film cyborg would follow cartoon Cyborg's kind of sort of Kikaider aesthetic
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Justice League looks like it's not for me, but not necessarily a bad movie. I'm willing to see it if I can get a $5 ticket, and I won't assume someone's cineing my d if they tell me they loved it. E: whoops, I thought I was in the movie thread. Sorry, BSS buddies. As apology, here is a character designed to look like an original writer:  I like the rad beard. Squizzle fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 17:02
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Sockser posted:I've always kind of disliked the way Comic Cyborg is drawn, and was hoping film cyborg would follow cartoon Cyborg's kind of sort of Kikaider aesthetic 
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I am just not a fan of superhero movie costumes. Too much extra embossing, textures, and details. I know it looks uncanny to see an exact copy of a flat costume in real life, but decorations don't make a costume interesting. I think The Avengers struck a good balance. Simple costumes with subtle details.
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Jul 26, 2016 02:48
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It's not that, it's that it's not possible. No real fabric works like comic book costumes.
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Jul 26, 2016 03:19
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The Christopher Reeve Superman movies had a pretty direct translation.
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Jul 26, 2016 03:35
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That only worked because Reeve was physically flawless and lower film quality covered up a lot of imperfections in the costume.
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Jul 26, 2016 04:12
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If only we had actors we could expect to train for months in preparation for a physical role and some way of post-production smoothing out imperfections if not out-right inventing things in film.
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Ghostlight posted:If only we had actors we could expect to train for months in preparation for a physical role and some way of post-production smoothing out imperfections if not out-right inventing things in film. Oh, is that what you want? Because that's how you get Do you want
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Jul 26, 2016 04:39
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On the flipside, Deadpool.
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Toshimo posted:Oh, is that what you want? lovely art direction and costume design =\= lovely costuming and special effects. If they wanted to make Superman look 100% faithful to the comics they easily could.
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Jul 26, 2016 04:44
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Yes they could make an animated movie and shop Henry Cavills face on it I suppose.
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