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Should have had an ability that lets you snag multiple pieces of loot per steal instead.
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FeyerbrandX posted:About Mug, every other game in the series that used it should have been a full power attack, because the main goal is "do damage and try to get one thing out of the jerk", plus maybe bypass a particularly fowl weapon proc or two. They should have had two levels of it. Like...Muh and Mug 2 or something. One lets you do something like half or quarter damage when you steal, and the other allows full damage. That way you could switch it up based on playstyle and what you were facing instead of being stuck with a useless waste.
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Jul 25, 2016 04:01
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Best part about the Long form of Summon animations: In this FF title, unlike the previous 3 - Regen keeps working throughout the attack. I've ended up coming back from the brink of defeat in at least a few boss fights, thanks to this feature.
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Jul 25, 2016 04:43
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Fossil Roo is kind of the most obtuse and frustrating puzzle-area in the game in general, with other areas being less annoying, largely because they don't have the gargants to ride. Also, Zidane and Dagger could ride the gargant, and maybe Vivi, but I fail to see how they got Quina around on those things. Still, I have the solution to the place memorized. I've played this game too many times. Mug's damage is sadly stupidly weak. I always found better uses for my support crystals. Dagger's Trance, Eidolon, is actually pretty drat handy, once you start getting enough gems to make summoning worthwhile. It'd be handier if it was triggered instead of being wasted most of the time, though...
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Jul 25, 2016 04:58
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Mug certainly isn't a game breaker, but it's nice for random battles to have Zidane contribute a bit of damage while he's lifting items. I find it a good way to let him add in a bit of damage through random battles while you're building up for a certain 3rd disc skill and/or sidequest. Or at least that would be the case, if Mug didn't cost 3 precious gems (out of maybe 20-25 that Zidane has at that point) that's almost always better used on another skill. 
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Jul 25, 2016 07:03
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FeyerbrandX posted:About Mug, every other game in the series that used it should have been a full power attack, because the main goal is "do damage and try to get one thing out of the jerk", plus maybe bypass a particularly fowl weapon proc or two. I think what might have worked is if, instead of replacing Steal with Mug, it replaced Attack with Mug a la FFVIII, but let you keep Steal.
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Jul 25, 2016 07:04
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Heeeeere's Lani! I don't know if she's supposed to be good at magic or good at attacking, considering her big weapon. It always feels like magic is more deadly though, you know?
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Jul 25, 2016 11:07
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I always felt that Lani's shirt was the hardest worker in the game. Japanese art directors have weird ideas about the female form.
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Jul 25, 2016 11:22
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Also, I still love that Zidane's reaction to a clearly-suspicious female is to hit on her (either by instinct or as a mental fallback while he processes What The gently caress Is Happening), and that Dagger has to rein him in. In any other game, the female lead might come off as being a little jealous, but here Dagger's clearly just annoyed that she has to make him focus on the task at hand. They're like an old married couple and it's adorable. And before any of you fellow FF9 veterans say anything, keep it under your hats. It can wait for a few updates.
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Jul 25, 2016 12:02
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I will say this for Lani: somehow she knew we were coming exactly this way and lay in wait. How the heck did she pull that off?
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Jul 25, 2016 12:16
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Alxprit posted:Heeeeere's Lani! Robes make the mages (the squishies) weak to fire magic and they otherwise spend time in the back row. That's not saying she doesn't hit hard with the axe, enough to seriously hurt Zidane, but the targeted Fira is the real danger to Vivi/Dagger.
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Jul 25, 2016 13:48
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Pesky Splinter posted:Here's the model of Dagger's Trance: Rydia disagrees. 
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Jul 25, 2016 20:57
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Glazius posted:I will say this for Lani: somehow she knew we were coming exactly this way and lay in wait. How the heck did she pull that off? Process of Elimination, much like our party. Only she had a heard start what with the whole Lindblum thing.
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Jul 25, 2016 21:17
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Plavski posted:I always felt that Lani's shirt was the hardest worker in the game. Japanese art directors have weird ideas about the female form. I'm sure it was, until they found her non-union Mexican equivalent, which was some sort of hair scrunchee rather than a shirt.
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Jul 25, 2016 22:01
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Plavski posted:I always felt that Lani's shirt was the hardest worker in the game. Japanese art directors have weird ideas about the female form. You can kinda tell she doesn't really give a poo poo how she dresses since the thing has holes in it too. I get the vibe she doesn't really care about anything besides her job.
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Jul 25, 2016 22:13
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Oh, God, I always got rid of my spare summoning gems. No wonder summons never did crap for me.
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Jul 25, 2016 23:47
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 Quick note about Lani: Her weapon is a bardiche, technically. It was a weapon used in combination with firearms in Russia - the large weapon could be used to support the gun while firing. Maybe that's why she spends most of her time spamming magic?
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Jul 26, 2016 00:42
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Endorph posted:
I believe you mean a Berdysh.
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Jul 26, 2016 00:49
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No amount of screenshots will ever convey how much I hate the goddamn annoying slog of Fossil Roo. It's one of two dungeons where my replays tend to die. The music before the chase sequence is pretty cool though, and I think I'd like this section a little better if we got to keep listening to this instead of the recycled Gargan Roo theme  
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Jul 26, 2016 01:34
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Someone mentioned Lani will actually change her tactics based on Scan results?
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Jul 26, 2016 06:03
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I've never seen her change anything significantly. Her "tactics" are pretty much: whale on Dagger until she dies, then whale on Vivi until he dies. One interesting thing about scan, though, is that if she uses it on someone with a robe equipped, it will show that they have a fire weakness. All robes impart a fire weakness, but the game doesn't tell you this at all.
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Jul 26, 2016 06:19
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Another interesting thing about Lani's AI is that she has a temper. If someone whacks her with their weapon, she gets pissed at them (with a vocal cue of something like "What do you think you're doing!?") and immediately starts focusing her attacks on that person, at least temporarily (I think she'll go back to Dagger after a while).
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Also, a little fun fact. If you gameshark in a Peridot or any of the items for Daggers missing summons on Disc 1, they all have a correspondingly huge MP cost attached. I think it 2-3 times the normal amount. Actually, Dagger has all her summons (except Ramuh, because that one's totally new to her, and another one) from the very start of the game - but as you mention, they all have gigantic MP costs that you have no hope of using by the time you get there. No gamesharking required (but it's interesting to note that Ramuh has his MP cost multiplied as well). When she has the Eidolons extracted out of her, she really does lose those abilities. When you get them back by getting more gems back, the MP costs are a lot more sane - possibly her coming to terms with her summoning powers?
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bewilderment posted:Actually, Dagger has all her summons (except Ramuh, because that one's totally new to her, and another one) from the very start of the game - but as you mention, they all have gigantic MP costs that you have no hope of using by the time you get there. No gamesharking required (but it's interesting to note that Ramuh has his MP cost multiplied as well). The game actually does somewhat explain the high MP costs for her Summons at the start of the game, but it's from a seemingly unimportant blink-and-you'll-miss-it line a bit later on in the disc.
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Jul 26, 2016 10:03
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That detail is one of those relatively minor things that is so cool. You're seeing how she has all this power already and you're really excited to use the spells. Then they get taken away from her and you actually sort of feel her loss. When you get them back it's more important because you've already been excited for them. Really clever design, imo. It smacks of Metroidvania, but not in an obnoxious *wink wink* way. It feels part of the narrative.
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Jul 26, 2016 10:04
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It's not the first time SE has done 'this character can't do this thing because story' - a character in VIII couldn't do their Limit because something they needed wasn't there, but then they got new Limits anyway because storyline. Keeping it vague because there's an ongoing VIII LP - Rinoa can't use Angelo on the Ragnarok because her dog didn't go into space.
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Jul 26, 2016 10:25
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Plavski posted:I always felt that Lani's shirt was the hardest worker in the game. Japanese art directors have weird ideas about the female form. I think it's her spine.
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Jul 26, 2016 15:57
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Bufuman posted:The game actually does somewhat explain the high MP costs for her Summons at the start of the game, but it's from a seemingly unimportant blink-and-you'll-miss-it line a bit later on in the disc. I was always satisfied with this: Mega64 posted:
The high MP cost represented her being afraid and uncomfortable with her own powers. When she gets over it, the costs become reasonable.
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Jul 26, 2016 18:09
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And cause more destruction?
No... I was afraid of my summon magic, but not anymore!
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Shiki Dan posted:Rydia disagrees. Rydia was also working with better color coordination. Green and Gold look a lot nicer together than lemon yellow and lilac. Also, now that I think about it - Final Fantasy loves girls in leotards; especially for the designs in the ones prior to 7.
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Jul 26, 2016 19:27
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To be fair Rydia lives in a place surrounded by magma. I'd wanna wear as little clothing as possible too
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:To be fair Rydia lives in a place surrounded by magma. I'd wanna wear as little clothing as possible too Among beings who'se normal fashion statement is 'whatever the heck is on my back, even if it's just scales/feathers/amorphous blobbage.' The main problem with Dagger is that Esper-Pink skin doesn't look good on her. (Compare Zidane, who pulls it off wonderfully.)
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bluerocker posted:Rydia was also working with better color coordination. Green and Gold look a lot nicer together than lemon yellow and lilac. So, Yoshitaka Amano loves girls in leotards.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:So, Yoshitaka Amano loves girls in leotards. Amano loves everyone in form fitting clothing. See Cecil's Skin tight armor: 
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Amano loves everyone in form fitting clothing. Pretty sure Dark Knight armor literally fuses with your skin in FF4's case, as another aspect of becoming a Dark Knight being a big deal and all.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:00
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Fine then: Kain. Who is supposed to be wearing heavy armor.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:40
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Fine then: Kain. Oh, didn't you know? Dragoons have to wear magically-fused to their skin armor, donchaknow? How else are they expected to jump fifty bazillion feet into the air? 
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Rydia's leotard has to be fused to her skin in order to act as a magical conductor for summoning. Edge's cape has to be fused to his skin for maximum distance when ninja-jumping. Cid's goggles have to be fused to his skin because how else are you going to get unwitting accomplices to upgrade an airship to do the thing it needs to do? (Also it helps shape the blast of the inevitable self-sacrificing explosion for maximum mountain-collapsing effect.) Skin-fusing: it's the way it's gotta be done 
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Your ideas are skintriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter...
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Jul 28, 2016 20:53
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They weren't afraid to come up with insane ideas in the early games. Or the later games. Or the middle games. All of the games have insane ideas is what I'm saying.
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Spira takes the cake for bad outfits. Someone send Tim Gunn, stat
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