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Anya
Nov 3, 2004
"If you have information worth hearing, then I am grateful for it. If you're gonna crack jokes, then I'm gonna pull out your ribcage and wear it as a hat."
If my work would cooperate, I will have the same problem soon!

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jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


It's a lot easier if you live near a park!

Tim Whatley
Mar 28, 2010

Doesn't Disney and Universal have an agreement that Disney can't do any Marvel attractions at WDW?

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Guardians are not part of that license.

Quixotic1
Jul 25, 2007

Does anyone know how the photo pass for gold annual pass holders work? I might not be able to make a trip next month with the rest of my family. They have silver passes, but they are under me in the website to manage them. Will I be able to grab their photo ops or does my magic band need to be scanned for that, maybe I can just give them my card so they scan it if that's the case?

SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...
While that would suck, I can't imagine the outrage against it would be that huge outside of nerds like us. I image most people see it as a relic from an older time, dated by the last time they wanted to update it for the current day. And even those who could look past it, are then faced with an attractions that is proclaiming how great fossil fuels are, despite the common consensus that our reliance on it is currently going to kill us off in some number of generations. So, I imagine a lot of people you would ask would practically beg for someone to replace it with another test track style attraction.

But Epcot has mostly been separate from Disney IP. Except for Frozen, the Three Caballeros, the Nemo ride, the Lion King feature, and the plethora of costumed characters that show up around the park. And even those it indulges in have always had an easy connect through line between their content and their educational/cultural value. Guardians has Space, and a not particularly educational or scientifically accurate view of it. It goes as far as, there's no air in space, and that's it. Maybe Groot as a tree monster could educate kids on photosynthesis, but that's it. But, if they could prove me wrong and wring a plethora of educational content out of GotG, their place in the park would be better suited for Spaceship Earth than Universe of Energy. Also, don't put GotG into Spaceship Earth.

Of course, the solution is to retool it once again, find a way to attach education it to the dinosaur diorama without saying 'They turned to oil and now we can drive cars. Thanks for dying you terrifying death machines!', probably refurbish and similarly retool the dinosaur diorama to become a new kind of impressive, and surround it all with some surprisingly entertaining and gorgeously shot videos.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


Quixotic1 posted:

Does anyone know how the photo pass for gold annual pass holders work? I might not be able to make a trip next month with the rest of my family. They have silver passes, but they are under me in the website to manage them. Will I be able to grab their photo ops or does my magic band need to be scanned for that, maybe I can just give them my card so they scan it if that's the case?

Haven't used it in awhile but you should be able to add the passes to one account so all pics will upload to it.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

SomeJazzyRat posted:

While that would suck, I can't imagine the outrage against it would be that huge outside of nerds like us. I image most people see it as a relic from an older time, dated by the last time they wanted to update it for the current day. And even those who could look past it, are then faced with an attractions that is proclaiming how great fossil fuels are, despite the common consensus that our reliance on it is currently going to kill us off in some number of generations. So, I imagine a lot of people you would ask would practically beg for someone to replace it with another test track style attraction.

But Epcot has mostly been separate from Disney IP. Except for Frozen, the Three Caballeros, the Nemo ride, the Lion King feature, and the plethora of costumed characters that show up around the park. And even those it indulges in have always had an easy connect through line between their content and their educational/cultural value. Guardians has Space, and a not particularly educational or scientifically accurate view of it. It goes as far as, there's no air in space, and that's it. Maybe Groot as a tree monster could educate kids on photosynthesis, but that's it. But, if they could prove me wrong and wring a plethora of educational content out of GotG, their place in the park would be better suited for Spaceship Earth than Universe of Energy. Also, don't put GotG into Spaceship Earth.

Of course, the solution is to retool it once again, find a way to attach education it to the dinosaur diorama without saying 'They turned to oil and now we can drive cars. Thanks for dying you terrifying death machines!', probably refurbish and similarly retool the dinosaur diorama to become a new kind of impressive, and surround it all with some surprisingly entertaining and gorgeously shot videos.

Source your quotes please

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Bottom Liner posted:

Guardians are not part of that license.

This.


But also there has been rumor that Disney and Universal are working on a new contract which will give Disney more leeway while Universal gets some rights to the MCU.

http://attractionsmagazine.com/rumor-queue-rumored-future-universal-orlandos-marvel-super-hero-island/

Cais
Jul 10, 2006
unicycler

Quixotic1 posted:

Does anyone know how the photo pass for gold annual pass holders work? I might not be able to make a trip next month with the rest of my family. They have silver passes, but they are under me in the website to manage them. Will I be able to grab their photo ops or does my magic band need to be scanned for that, maybe I can just give them my card so they scan it if that's the case?

If you're managing them their photos will appear and you can download them. The AP with photopass doesn't need to be there.

If they have their own accounts, you'd have to be linked to them but as far as photopass is concerned as long as we get the photos into your account somehow you can download them and they'll be there for a year.

Richard M Nixon
Apr 26, 2009

"The greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker."
Remember, booking is now available for food and wine events. I ended up getting tickets to the burger party on Friday Nov 11. Any other goons going?

Braksgirl
Dec 25, 2010

Unofficial Goon Disney travel agent since 2014!

Tens of Goons served!


I'm not going to any events but I'll be there for F&W.

I'm there Nov 3 - 7.

Braksgirl fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 22, 2016

Tim Whatley
Mar 28, 2010

I'll be there from Nov 9 - 18 even though it ends a few days before I leave.

Braksgirl
Dec 25, 2010

Unofficial Goon Disney travel agent since 2014!

Tens of Goons served!


If you're traveling to Disney soon, might want to check out Southwest because they're running a quick sale due to their snafu this week. I have flights booked for Nov already and I checked and my return flight is now $79. I got a refund of $76. Southwest has no change fees so this was pretty awesome.

TheBigBudgetSequel
Nov 25, 2008

It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.
Finally have a hotel booked for my Disneyland trip. We are staying right behind DCA in The Annabelle. It looks tremendously pretty from the photos, and it's a short walk into Downtown Disney/Esplanade.

Braksgirl
Dec 25, 2010

Unofficial Goon Disney travel agent since 2014!

Tens of Goons served!


I have heard good things about the Anabella.

poolside toaster
Jul 12, 2008

Braksgirl posted:

If you're traveling to Disney soon, might want to check out Southwest because they're running a quick sale due to their snafu this week. I have flights booked for Nov already and I checked and my return flight is now $79. I got a refund of $76. Southwest has no change fees so this was pretty awesome.

Still not seeing fares less than $570~ each person for my trip... ugh, this is driving me crazy.

Braksgirl
Dec 25, 2010

Unofficial Goon Disney travel agent since 2014!

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Looks like ToT in CA is getting the Guardians treatment.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh don't come east please or if you do replace rock n roller coaster

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind


This upsets me a lot. Tower of Terror is an icon of DCA and an excellent attraction.

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Dugong posted:

This upsets me a lot. Tower of Terror is an icon of DCA and an excellent attraction.

Counterpoint: it only exists because they were desperate for visitors and it was recognizable and (relatively) easy to bring over. Giving it some unique personality, even if it means retheming it, is a good call.


Abu Dave posted:

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh don't come east please or if you do replace rock n roller coaster

This also stands true. You can replace the lame clone, but if you touch the original I'm gonna be mad and sad.

Yoshifan823 fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jul 24, 2016

Anya
Nov 3, 2004
"If you have information worth hearing, then I am grateful for it. If you're gonna crack jokes, then I'm gonna pull out your ribcage and wear it as a hat."
How different is DCA TOT? From reading, it looks like they've been working on this after hours already and it's to be finished by next summer.

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind

The resort just spent $1bn to align the park with the California theme. Putting in a space warehouse goes against that. I like both the Florida and California versions. They both have their ups... And downs :colbert:

Fejsze
May 13, 2013

Only you are the fish of my dreams

Anya posted:

How different is DCA TOT? From reading, it looks like they've been working on this after hours already and it's to be finished by next summer.

It's similar overall, but nowhere near as good. You never leave your elevator shaft, just up and down without the cool twilight zone room, and it's the exact same drop sequence every time, no randomization for some reason. The rest is basically the same.

RabbitMage
Nov 20, 2008

Fejsze posted:

It's similar overall, but nowhere near as good. You never leave your elevator shaft, just up and down without the cool twilight zone room, and it's the exact same drop sequence every time, no randomization for some reason. The rest is basically the same.

And it sounds like they're going to be addressing some of this along with the re-themeing, so we might get a better ride experience, too?

I doubt this will be open for my next visit, but a guy can dream. I'll miss Rod Sirling, and one of my best DCA memories involved one of the creepy bellhops.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
isn't it actually rod sterlings son wit ha voice double

RabbitMage
Nov 20, 2008

Abu Dave posted:

isn't it actually rod sterlings son wit ha voice double

shh let me live my fantasies

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014

Grimey Drawer
There is no god but the tower of terror and the twilight zone is his prophet.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Abu Dave posted:

isn't it actually rod sterlings son wit ha voice double

Assuming the DCA video is the same as the WDW one, it really is Rod Serling with the aid of a voice double dubbing over him. They used footage of Serling from one of the episodes and matched up the dialogue to the first part of what he says, then cut away as the real Serling is about to say "a map of the United States" to focus on the freight elevator.

As far as I know, the original is in no danger of being taken out any time soon. It's been made the icon of Hollywood Studios now that the Earful Tower has been removed (a much better decision than the previous one, seeing as how the water tower was practically invisible if you weren't on the backlot tour) and they're opening or have already opened a themed bar at the ride. It's also one of the most popular attractions in the park's history in a time when the massive construction has left the park bereft, so it would incredibly stupid to close it.

Rumor mill is currently that Ellen's Energy Adventure will be what goes away for our Guardians attraction, with suggestions that it'll use the IP to cover educational information on the solar system.

chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jul 25, 2016

Fejsze
May 13, 2013

Only you are the fish of my dreams

RabbitMage posted:

one of my best DCA memories involved one of the creepy bellhops.

The bellhops are the best. I had one time the guy left his head out too far when doing the "last chance to get off too late!" as the doors closed, And the door sensors triggered to keep from crushing him.

So he stood there. Super awkwardly for a minute until they slid shut again.

It was the best part of DCA pre-Carsland, be interesting how it'll work as a random sci-fi comic book theme sitting between Hollywood Blvd and Bugsland.

SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...
Yeah, after watching a youtube recording of the ride, it's got nothing on Orlando. It really is a cheapened out version of the better ride, at best you can say is that it better holds on to the conceit that it is an episode of the Twilight Zone, only referencing the opening directly in the pre-show and staying within the 'episode' for the duration of the ride. Versus Orlando's constant referencing of opening from moment one to the very end. But it's a compromised version of a brilliant ride, and I can imagine that the current regime of executives just looks at it as an embarrassing, second rate relic from the bad years. And it looks impossible to convert the ride into that better, original version of the ride, short of tearing it down and rebuilding it. So, it makes sense to try and convert it into something original to the park that works well with the ride experience.

Plus, based on the concept art, it appears to be a lot of stuff being tacked onto the base ride. So I've hear it theorized that it's more akin to a heavy duty conversion similar to Haunted Mansion Holiday, or Hyperspace Mountain and Ghost Galaxy. It's there for as long as it's popular/promoting the Guardians brand, and once that's over they just need to give it a fresh coat of paint and it's back to the original Tower.

That said, I still wish they weren't messing with the thing. It's thematically perfect as a piece of the skyline, working not only as a part of Hollywoodland, but as something you can see far off in the distance of Buena Vista Street, and even as a giant towering structure that A Bugs Land resides in the garden of. Take away the Hollywood tower, and that cohesion is gone. It wouldn't be the first time in Disney Park's history, to be if you look across the gates, a castle doesn't have much of a place in the Frontier. I just wish that they could've kept the conversion while keeping the facade, or at least not changing it so drastically.

And I will add that one of my favorite memories was the creepy bellhops. I didn't even ride the thing, but one of them came out with one of those luggage carriers filled with old trunks and such. On top were a series of front desk bells, and using them he played a perfect rendition of the Twilight Zone theme.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
I'm okay with that change. Florida had the best ToT anyway, the CA copy was a lower budget me-too ride that (partially because it was so low budget) looked like poo poo that could see be seen for many blocks.

Turning it into a sci-fi villain fortress is acceptable if it has the same kind of detail that Cars Land and the new entrance has, rather than being a relic of the Eisner 'Florida first' years.

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

chitoryu12 posted:

Rumor mill is currently that Ellen's Energy Adventure will be what goes away for our Guardians attraction, with suggestions that it'll use the IP to cover educational information on the solar system.

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Rahonavis
Jan 11, 2012

"Clevuh gurrrl..."

Yoshifan823 posted:

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Learning things while on a ride in Epcot?!? Well, I never!

Quixotic1
Jul 25, 2007

There's got to be a private video somewhere by the cast-members of ToT bellhops and the HM servants doing the opening scene and the rumble from West Side Story, ala Captain Eeyore.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

chitoryu12 posted:

Rumor mill is currently that Ellen's Energy Adventure will be what goes away for our Guardians attraction, with suggestions that it'll use the IP to cover educational information on the solar system.

Universal retains all rights to Marvel properties in Florida. WDW isn't getting any Marvel rides which is why the corporate HQ is determined to pack the west coast with as much of it as they can.

demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

There are too many stupid people in the world. I'm not saying we should kill them all or anything. Just take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself.

Lipstick Apathy

Fejsze posted:

The bellhops are the best.

Yes, yes they are..

poolside toaster
Jul 12, 2008

SomeJazzyRat posted:

...I can imagine that the current regime of executives just looks at it as an embarrassing, second rate relic from the bad years. And it looks impossible to convert the ride into that better, original version of the ride, short of tearing it down and rebuilding it. So, it makes sense to try and convert it into something original to the park that works well with the ride experience.

Replace all of the above text with "out-of-touch executives who rarely enter the park (and even then are escorted by a plaid directly onto the attraction) look at it as a chance to cram a known intellectual property that Disney owns/controls onto an attraction, temporarily boosting the attraction's ridership, and giving marketing an excuse to draw people to resort to buy trinkets from the attraction's gift shop and boost sales" and you've got the probable truth.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Craptacular! posted:

Universal retains all rights to Marvel properties in Florida. WDW isn't getting any Marvel rides which is why the corporate HQ is determined to pack the west coast with as much of it as they can.

At the same time, there are also rumors that Disney and Universal may re-negotiate the deal in a way that's beneficial to both companies.

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SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...

poolside toaster posted:

Replace all of the above text with "out-of-touch executives who rarely enter the park (and even then are escorted by a plaid directly onto the attraction) look at it as a chance to cram a known intellectual property that Disney owns/controls onto an attraction, temporarily boosting the attraction's ridership, and giving marketing an excuse to draw people to resort to buy trinkets from the attraction's gift shop and boost sales" and you've got the probable truth.

Well frickin duh. J.P. Mordo, Head of Money Making, is of course looking to fleece people's money. If they could get away with it they'd be doing this to every ride. Just overnight the entirety of Disneyland would be Star Wars Galaxy complete with Princess Leia's Kylo Ren's Castle. I'm just working through my thoughts on figuring why they're doing it to the Tower of Terror.

It definitely wouldn't fly in Orlando where the original is a stone cold classic. But in the context of rich assholes who fly out to the other coast every other weekend, the guys who have to deal with the Californian version these days must be dealing with an inferiority complex. And after Hyperspace Mountain, they're probably trying to over compensate.

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