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Speaking of not secret secret security poo poo, last week's headline of "Nice terror attack, May addresses COBRA" must in the running for worst accidental double entendre ever.
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Private Speech posted:To be clear, you don't have to have it on you all the time or anything, but if you get in trouble with police they can demand you prove your identity, which is a hassle if you don't. What happens is that they either book you in and have someone come in with your id/birth certificate, or if they are feeling charitable they sometimes drive you home to pick it up. Fun story: my dad got popped on a warrant after he certified for an identity of an acquaintance who forgot his id and who had it requested by the police. He didn't know there was a warrant out on him for 3 years (he skipped community service on a minor juvenile delinquency charge). This in a country where you do need to be able to prove your identity if asked. Therefore, I think mandatory ID = bad
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Jul 25, 2016 15:03
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TomViolence posted:Extending the franchise outside of the landed classes fatal mistake for democracy, read all about it. And then land ownership should be abolished. 
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Jul 25, 2016 15:05
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It's an incredibly sheltered and privileged worldview that the average citizen has nothing to fear from the police and that you can always trust in the benevolence of their intentions. "It's not as scary as it sounds" is a load of poo poo if members of your community have a history of falling repeatedly down the stairs while being detained without charge, for instance.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:08
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Thornberry's alright. She's always good to cadge a fag from if you see her hiding out round the back of hustings/surgeries etc.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Thornberry's alright. She's always good to cadge a fag from if you see her hiding out round the back of hustings/surgeries etc. You know, that's actually a pretty decent litmus test whether someone is a huge rear end.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:19
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Thornberry's alright. She's always good to cadge a fag from if you see her hiding out round the back of hustings/surgeries etc. Speaking from experience, I presume?
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Jul 25, 2016 15:29
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nothing to seehere posted:Speaking from experience, I presume? Yeah. I'm on the board of a renters rights organisation in Islington and she usually makes time to turn up for our events. Good thing too, because our other Islington MP has been mysteriously unavailable of late.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:31
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Yeah. I'm on the board of a renters rights organisation in Islington and she usually makes time to turn up for our events. Good thing too, because our other Islington MP has been mysteriously unavailable of late. God, what a bastard. Have you considered pushing for his de-selection by his local party?
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Jul 25, 2016 15:36
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TomViolence posted:Giving the plebs the vote bad idea, says the paper of our benevolent betters. Extending the franchise outside of the landed classes fatal mistake for democracy, read all about it.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:45
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Politics is not about the will of the people it's about this nebulous concept where everyones idea goes into a big pot and then we poo poo in the pot and set it all on fire and then we smear whats left on our bodies. Democracy works.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:48
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TomViolence posted:Giving the plebs the vote bad idea, says the paper of our benevolent betters. Extending the franchise outside of the landed classes fatal mistake for democracy, read all about it. That's not what the article says at all, the core point is valid we elect people who in theory are meant to focus their time on understanding and making judgements on complex issues. There's solid modelling using complex adaptive systems that shows that direct democracy produces results that more people are unhappy with than a representative democracy like we have now. Direct democracy is often very bad see the EU referendum. However I cant quite see how your man here turns this into a stick to beat Corbyn with for being popular because that's completely insane and actually misinterprets his own point.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:50
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Well then https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/757591328624640000
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Jul 25, 2016 16:01
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Given this is George Eaton saying it, it's equally likely to be true that she's left the Labour Party and now works for an engineering firm in Seoul.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:04
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Renaissance Robot posted:"Nice terror attack, May addresses COBRA" She'll forget one day and walk out of No.10 wearing the mirrored helmet.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:04
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Zohar posted:Relying on opposition votes would damage her quite seriously. Remember Blair in his second term had serious problems with the possibility of having to rely on Tory votes that pushed him to the brink of resignation, and the Brexiteer contingent in the PCP is proportionally comparable to the awkward squad in the PLP back then if not larger (if memory serves Blair's problems were with about 100 MPs which was a quarter of the PLP). It's a shame the psychoactive substances bill didn't do anything to curtail PCP activity in this country.
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StoneOfShame posted:That's not what the article says at all, the core point is valid we elect people who in theory are meant to focus their time on understanding and making judgements on complex issues. There's solid modelling using complex adaptive systems that shows that direct democracy produces results that more people are unhappy with than a representative democracy like we have now. Direct democracy is often very bad see the EU referendum. My facetious and misleading take on the article's content was more my interpretation of the agenda behind the piece, because let's face it that's what your average Graun reader is really thinking, they worked bloody hard to not be part of the mob thank you very much The opposite of populism is not representative democracy but elitism or, more generously, paternalism, whereby the lumpen is told what's good for them and given very little say in the matter. And when they push for even the slightest bit of redress it's decried as populism by opinion makers with a vested interest in the status quo. Whether technocracy works or not, its current implementation is failing to serve vast swathes of the population after all. It's also very loving dumb that the guy brings up Gove's rejection of experts when Corbs and McDonell actually got proper economists to back them up on their anti-austerity agenda. Did Cameron and Gidiot's government count as "populist" by his reckoning, I wonder? They steadfastly rejected a great deal of evidence in their policymaking and depended on emotional arguments and the moralisation of poverty, but no-one called them an insurgent threat to democracy
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Jul 25, 2016 16:05
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Pesmerga posted:Given this is George Eaton saying it, it's equally likely to be true that she's left the Labour Party and now works for an engineering firm in Seoul. https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/757592635498520576
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Jul 25, 2016 16:06
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Helen Highwater posted:The nuclear deterrent used to be hilariously broken and was partially powered by chickens at one point. quote:A weapon of one half megaton was considered to be in the megaton range.[26][27] Some things never change.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:08
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I'd love to hear about how that change of heart is supposed to work. "I'm sorry mister Corbyn it's just all the cool kids were doing it and I didn't want to be left out  "
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Jul 25, 2016 16:09
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Hahahaha, why would you want an opportunist like that on the front bench?
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Jul 25, 2016 16:09
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this time I DEFINITELY won't stab you in the back. pinky swear
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Jul 25, 2016 16:10
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OwlFancier posted:It's a shame the psychoactive substances bill didn't do anything to curtail PCP activity in this country.  It certainly could be considered as "affecting the person’s mental functioning or emotional state".
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Jul 25, 2016 16:11
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In fairness to her she could have been protesting by resigning, and then got shocked by the methods employed by the PLP when the resignations and no confidence didn't work, and in fact showed that Corbyn's mandate might be greater than ever. You know, a non-malicious mistake that she regrets. We all know that's not how those backstabbers went and if any of them did they would have spoken out long before today but I'm just being charitable here
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Jul 25, 2016 16:14
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Guavanaut posted:
Hrm, hazardous to health, terrible for your heart, and there's definitely a moral argument for keeping it away from under 18s.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:15
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I suppose being magnanimous in victory is sort of an indication of character but I'd be surprised if anyone gives Corbyn credit for it, or whether it can be considered politically wise to re-accept someone so apparently inclined to disloyalty.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:16
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So which anti-Corbyn posters do you think are bluecap and pisstie?
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Tesseraction posted:So which anti-Corbyn posters do you think are bluecap and pisstie? Left one definitely looks like a tory. Right one looks a bit like Robert Webb.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:17
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Pesmerga posted:Hahahaha, why would you want an opportunist like that on the front bench? Two reasons I can think of 1) He really really really needs everyone he can get. 2) It looks very bad for the coup.
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TheRat posted:Two reasons I can think of The Guardian is studiously ignoring it in favour of (yet another) breathless update on how darn amazing Owen Smith is. Don't be surprised to see it framed as 'an indication of Corbyn's weakness that he has had to draw on previously resigned cabinet members to keep the opposition going.
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Jul 25, 2016 16:19
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I think it's fair that not all the no-confidence-voting MPs were necessarily gung-ho about getting rid of Corbyn and instead just thought he was doomed and wanted to get in the good graces of the coup ringleaders so they didn't get unceremoniously purged. Not exactly a paragon of virtue, but hey, it's one way out of the civil war. Just get rid of some of the key figures and see how many fall in line afterwards.
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Pesmerga posted:The Guardian is studiously ignoring it The Guardian posted:The Labour party has just announced that Sarah Champion is rejoining the front bench, as shadow Home Office minister focusing on women, equality and domestic violence. She resigned as a shadow Home Office minister last month after Labour MPs passed their vote of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/jul/25/mcdonnell-accused-of-downplaying-seriousness-of-malhotra-office-row-politics-live
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"The Labour party has just announced that Sarah Champion is rejoining the front bench, as shadow Home Office minister focusing on women, equality and domestic violence." Don't put it that way in light of our last home secretary please.
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Pesmerga posted:The Guardian is studiously ignoring it in favour of (yet another) breathless update on how darn amazing Owen Smith is. Don't be surprised to see it framed as 'an indication of Corbyn's weakness that he has had to draw on previously resigned cabinet members to keep the opposition going. Also they're reporting that THOSE MOTHERFUCKERRS Corbyn and McDonnell put forward an early day motion to prevent Pfizer from doing a corporate takeover of AstraZenica in order to protect the workers' jobs. Apparently this shows that Corbyn and McDonnell support the pharmaceutical industry wholeheartedly and thus are hypocrites for decrying the tax breaks(???). The graun really is going full Daily Mail about this all.
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Tesseraction posted:Also they're reporting that THOSE MOTHERFUCKERRS Corbyn and McDonnell put forward and early day motion to prevent Pfizer from doing a corporate takeover of AstraZenica in order to protect the workers' jobs. Apparently this shows that Corbyn and McDonnell support the pharmaceutical industry wholeheartedly and thus are hypocrites for decrying the tax breaks(???). I tried to have a twitter slapfight with an MP about it, but he backed out before I could bait him in properly https://twitter.com/TomBlenkinsop/status/757582742649466880
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ukle posted:There is almost no way Article 50 will be triggered before the autumn of next year - thanks to the French and German elections. David Davis has really gone down a lot in my estimations lately he does seem very clueless, which given the roll he now finds himself in is very worrying. His reputation as a good Tory has always been based on him being a champion of civil liberties. I don't think anyone's been under delusions about him in other regards. He has said some stupid things recently, most notably the thing about creating a new free trade agreement bigger than the earth's economy.
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Baron Corbyn posted:His reputation as a good Tory has always been based on him being a champion of civil liberties. I don't think anyone's been under delusions about him in other regards. He has said some stupid things recently, most notably the thing about creating a new free trade agreement bigger than the earth's economy. he seriously argues that his experience in the EEC is not only relevant but equivalent to a full understanding of the modern EU, so I honestly can't tell if he's senile or dumb as a sack of poo poo
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Baron Corbyn posted:His reputation as a good Tory has always been based on him being a champion of civil liberties. I don't think anyone's been under delusions about him in other regards. He has said some stupid things recently, most notably the thing about creating a new free trade agreement bigger than the earth's economy.
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TheRat posted:I tried to have a twitter slapfight with an MP about it, but he backed out before I could bait him in properly Oh come on tom you bellend just because you represent the libdem bit of middlesbrough doesn't mean you have to act like one.
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The thing that's really annoying is that their 'defence' of Pfizer isn't there - it's praising AstraZenica and demanding Pfizer don't fire their employees to make a quick buck. If anything it's suggesting Pfizer are vulture capitalists, not brilliant research funders.
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