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Seamonster posted:Eh, as long as its not a reference blower, a 390 can run fairly quietly. Either the Sapphire TriX or MSI Frozr models are alright assuming you aren't going balls to the walls with clockspeeds and voltages. But yeah that heat though. I have the MSI Twin Frozr one, and it's one of the loudest cards I've ever owned. Maybe it's habit or frame of reference, but the (MSI) 1070 is completely inaudible in comparison. Part of this may be due to airflow. My PC build can't shove the extra ~275W out well enough , so the card temp and hence fan speed will creep upwards.
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Skuto posted:I have the MSI Twin Frozr one, and it's one of the loudest cards I've ever owned. Maybe it's habit or frame of reference, but the (MSI) 1070 is completely inaudible in comparison. I just went from a Silverstone Temjin TJ-08 matx to a NZXT S340 and that extra airflow does make a huge difference.
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Green Gloves posted:Link for the 390? This and that powercolor 380x I posted yesterday are pretty decent values. I am running a 380 and its really great actually, runs quiet and temps stay at 75-80*C full load. http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-radeon-r9-390-twinfrozr-06-110321.htm  price though, may need to wait a while
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:Looking at the IPS HD monitors listed as freesync compatible here, a lot of them have a pretty narrow refresh range like 48-75Hz. This is because FreeSync is essentially free to implement for the monitor maker, so those are just "normal" 75Hz monitors with cheap/simple scalers and FreeSync added as an afterthought. quote:Are high refresh rates not really necessary when *sync is in play? As the graph you quote shows, you'd much rather have high refresh than *Sync. 75Hz with FreeSync is still only a 75Hz monitor. It'll look better than a non Sync 75Hz one if you go below 75Hz, but that's it. quote:48Hz seems high as a minimum refresh rate too - is there a recommended upper and lower bound that is required to actually benefit from adaptive sync? The upper bound should be equal to the highest Hz the monitor can do (so you don't get the heartbreaking choice of either *Sync or the fastest response from the monitor), and the lower bound should be at least 2.5x lower than that. The latter is required to get FreeSync coverage over the *entire* Hz range, as the AMD driver will do the rest of the compensation as long as the range is >2.5x. This also means that 48-75Hz is a poo poo range. Avoid.
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Skuto posted:This is because FreeSync is essentially free to implement for the monitor maker, so those are just "normal" 75Hz monitors with cheap/simple scalers and FreeSync added as an afterthought. Yeah if you're getting a *-sync monitor you should try to get a 144hz one as that will give you the headroom you need for a larger *-sync range.
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Green Gloves posted:I just went from a Silverstone Temjin TJ-08 matx to a NZXT S340 and that extra airflow does make a huge difference. Yeah, I don't doubt that. But if you are on the fence between a R9 390 and an RX 480, you're likely not counting a case/fan upgrade into the equation. High wattage cards are not without tradeoffs.
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:I'm mulling over a 480 or a 1060 along with a monitor upgrade. A little while ago someone posted a chart of relative visual quality that looked like this: For best results you want the top of the range to be 2.5 or more times the lower end. So 30-75 would be good. If there's nothing in your range that can hit it it's still better than not but you'll probably want to make sure you don't drop below that minimum no matter what. If you're considering a $200 card that may well be the best match for the card, but know that's a definite sacrifice. And honestly high refresh rate and *sync are tackling things in an overlapping way, so both are useful although the higher speed you get the less of a difference *sync makes.
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If people would make 60Hz FreeSync monitors, I guess you wouldn't care about the 2.5x range much, because if you drop below 24FPS (60/2.5) no amount of *sync is going to make it look smooth.
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Skuto posted:Yeah, I don't doubt that. But if you are on the fence between a R9 390 and an RX 480, you're likely not counting a case/fan upgrade into the equation. Only reason I changed cases was my old z87 motherboard was having a lot of issues. Buying a used z97 matx was the same price as a brand new z97 board I got for $40 + a case. So yeah YMMV.
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So if the system I'm building would push out around 60-75fps to a 144Hz monitor, would I be getting a benefit out of G-Sync? I'm really still thinking about whether the added cost is worth it. I guess also living in a 30-60fps world means I can't really picture what "smooth" means in these upper echelons
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:So if the system I'm building would push out around 60-75fps to a 144Hz monitor, would I be getting a benefit out of G-Sync? I'm really still thinking about whether the added cost is worth it. I guess also living in a 30-60fps world means I can't really picture what "smooth" means in these upper echelons The benefits of *sync are greater the lower the FPS is so you definitely want G-Sync if you can only do 60-75FPS.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:So if the system I'm building would push out around 60-75fps to a 144Hz monitor, would I be getting a benefit out of G-Sync? I'm really still thinking about whether the added cost is worth it. I guess also living in a 30-60fps world means I can't really picture what "smooth" means in these upper echelons I'd say yes, there's definitely still a benefit. That said, G-Sync is still a 150 USD or so tax? If you're only getting 75fps on a 144Hz monitor, I think I'd rather put the G-Sync tax to use on a beefier GPU. You can then still get a FreeSync monitor and bank on AMD not sucking at some point and/or the market forcing NVIDIA to add support for it.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:So if the system I'm building would push out around 60-75fps to a 144Hz monitor, would I be getting a benefit out of G-Sync? I'm really still thinking about whether the added cost is worth it. I guess also living in a 30-60fps world means I can't really picture what "smooth" means in these upper echelons Yeah, you'd get a nice benefit. It does more the lower you are, because a low framerate is both more gap between frames and a wider gap for frames to fall in where they aren't perfectly aligned. *sync fixes that.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:The benefits of *sync are greater the lower the FPS is so you definitely want G-Sync if you can only do 60-75FPS. The lower the Hz is of the monitor, not FPS. He is considering a 144Hz monitor so that wouldn't matter so much to him. The amount of time the frame is off from the correct display time is limited by the max Hz of the monitor, not FPS, so I can't really see how your statement would be true? Edit: The lower the FPS, the lower the percentual error on the display time is, while the absolute value remains constant, for a fixed monitor Hz. So that just reinforces that IMHO the monitor Hz is what matters, not the FPS. Hiowf fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Pre-ordered the sapphire 480. Finally. Now Amazon just needs to get them.
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Gonkish posted:Pre-ordered the sapphire 480. Finally. Now Amazon just needs to get them. Lol im legit happy for you man, I distinctly remember you wanting this exact card for months
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Lol im legit happy for you man, I distinctly remember you wanting this exact card for months Probably because I have been a big dumb baby this entire time. 
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jm20 posted:http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-radeon-r9-390-twinfrozr-06-110321.htm In case anyone is on this, expected to ship 1st week of August.
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:I'm mulling over a 480 or a 1060 along with a monitor upgrade. A little while ago someone posted a chart of relative visual quality that looked like this: Avoid freesync monitors where the max is less than 2.5x that of the lowest refresh, they don't support low framerate compensation, and so aren't so great when your fps drops below the minimum refresh.
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HalloKitty posted:Avoid freesync monitors where the max is less than 2.5x that of the lowest refresh, they don't support low framerate compensation, and so aren't so great when your fps drops below the minimum refresh. Not true! Some freesync monitors do LFC, you'll have to check though before you buy. I know the super-cheap AOC one does as that's the one I have.
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axeil posted:Not true! Some freesync monitors do LFC, you'll have to check though before you buy. I know the super-cheap AOC one does as that's the one I have. If they have that 2.5x range, they do it, if they don't they don't.
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xthetenth posted:If they have that 2.5x range, they do it, if they don't they don't. Oh. Yes, that's what I meant. So you need that 2.5 range to get LFC, which is why if you're in the market for a *-sync monitor you should be looking for a 144hz one.
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Junior Jr. posted:In case anyone does buy the Titan XP, can they put it in a windows XP rig and check how fast it runs? Not sure how serious you are, but Windows XP driver support was dropped starting with Maxwell.
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axeil posted:Not true! Some freesync monitors do LFC, you'll have to check though before you buy. I know the super-cheap AOC one does as that's the one I have. Which part wasn't true? LFC isn't a special feature, it simply requires the range of refresh I mentioned as a minimum. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Has there been any word about when the RX 490 will be announced?HalloKitty posted:Avoid freesync monitors where the max is less than 2.5x that of the lowest refresh, they don't support low framerate compensation, and so aren't so great when your fps drops below the minimum refresh. Weirdly, while a 2.5x range is common enough for 1440p IPS monitors, it's virtually non-existent for 1080p IPS. The variety at 27" seems better than at 24" too.
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Green Gloves posted:Power Color R9 380x $125 after MIR and Paypal Checkout Code I'm actually looking at the 480 as I don't mind going 300-400 on the Graphics card, just going over is a bit too much (Yay Canadian Dollar) - Thanks for the monitor tip though? Does it actually do 144HZ like other Freesynch monitors?
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axeil posted:Oh. Yes, that's what I meant. So you need that 2.5 range to get LFC, which is why if you're in the market for a *-sync monitor you should be looking for a 144hz one. Not necessarily, for example the 30-75 range on my XR341CK is sufficient.
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:Has there been any word about when the RX 490 will be announced? I'm not sure which of them are going to be called the "RX 490", but there's likely a dual-480 board coming later this year and a bigger GPU "Vega" based board expected sometime early next year. One of those will probably be called the 490.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:I'm actually looking at the 480 as I don't mind going 300-400 on the Graphics card, just going over is a bit too much (Yay Canadian Dollar) - No because its not a TN panel its ips, so 60-75hz is going to be its max.
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm not sure which of them are going to be called the "RX 490", but there's likely a dual-480 board coming later this year and a bigger GPU "Vega" based board expected sometime early next year. One of those will probably be called the 490. at this point vega might as well be RX 5xx
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wargames posted:No because its not a TN panel its ips, so 60-75hz is going to be its max. Yeah the freesync range is 40-75hz on the 29um68. Theres only two 2560 x 1080 ips 144hz monitors but they are 35" and expensive. Youre going to have to get a tn panel for 144hz. Green Gloves fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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wicka posted:at this point vega might as well be RX 5xx Possible, as there are two Vegas and I'm not sure how they'd bracket them into the 400 series. If there really is a foundry issue better just to release something and comeback with a fresh product line.
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KillHour posted:Look upon my pixels, ye mighty, and despair! but why
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It isn't like AMD or Nvidia have any shame when it comes to rebranding old chips. Instead of rebranding to come up with "new" products once a year, maybe they can start doing it every six months.
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Taima posted:but why someones gotta pave the way PBCrunch posted:It isn't like AMD or Nvidia have any shame when it comes to rebranding old chips. Instead of rebranding to come up with "new" products once a year, maybe they can start doing it every six months. Im okay with rebranding ... if they bump all the models down one segment and price bracket. And like, just one time.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:someones gotta pave the way Not really? Bezels all up in the middle of your play experience is not the future. I just don't get how his setup is superior in any way to, say, a 34 inch 3440x1440 ultra widescreen.
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Green Gloves posted:Yeah the freesync range is 40-75hz on the 29um68. Theres only two 2560 x 1080 ips 144hz monitors but they are 35" and expensive. Youre going to have to get a tn panel for 144hz. Asus and Acer have affordable 144Hz 1440p IPS models.
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