Girls und Panzer: The Mock League of Nations Has Failed Us

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What is the Greatest Team?
	Oorai
	Pravda
	St. Gloriana
	Saunders
	Anzio
	Chi-Ha-Tan
	Kuromorimine
	Selection
	Maginot
	Jatkosota

Xelkelvos: Dec 19, 2012

Luceid posted:

saunders owns and i feel like i've seen the least supplemental material to flesh them out compared to st glorianas and pravda

Saunders doesn't have quite as interesting or comedic a group. Anzio, St. Gloriana and Pravda all have really quirky members so it's easier to write material for them.

# ? Jul 18, 2016 17:41

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 13:11

Kyte: Nov 19, 2013; Never quacked for this

Falken posted:

Who the gently caress is funding Saunders? jet fuel and aircraft maintenance isn't cheap, nor is training pilots.

They have to have some M1A2s as well somewhere.

Still cheaper than a school ship. :v:

# ? Jul 18, 2016 20:21

Ammat The Ankh: Sep 7, 2010; Now, attempt to defeat me!
And I shall become a living legend!

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# ? Jul 18, 2016 23:48

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Xelkelvos posted:

Saunders doesn't have quite as interesting or comedic a group. Anzio, St. Gloriana and Pravda all have really quirky members so it's easier to write material for them.

They've got brash Kay, creepy-cool Naomi, and the endearingly awful Alisa. That's material to work off.

# ? Jul 18, 2016 23:55

Zettace: Nov 30, 2009

I imagine that the GuP universe is a socialist paradise where no wars are fought so all funds that would have gone to the military now go to school ships and tank battles.

Also everyone is immune to bullets or something (thus no wars).

# ? Jul 19, 2016 01:50

Space Flower: Sep 10, 2014; by Games Forum

Sports leagues pulling in obscene revenue is the part of the show that's truest to reality.

# ? Jul 19, 2016 02:14

Jintor: May 19, 2014

i really like how awful alisa is.

she's adorable

# ? Jul 19, 2016 09:18

Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

Zettace posted:

I imagine that the GuP universe is a socialist paradise where no wars are fought so all funds that would have gone to the military now go to school ships and tank battles.

Also everyone is immune to bullets or something (thus no wars).

It's the Culture universe.

# ? Jul 19, 2016 12:21

Bakanogami: Dec 31, 2004; Grimey Drawer

Zettace posted:

I imagine that the GuP universe is a socialist paradise where no wars are fought so all funds that would have gone to the military now go to school ships and tank battles.

Also everyone is immune to bullets or something (thus no wars).

If you try to put together what the world of GuP looks like outside of Senshado you're just asking for a headache.

With the size of the school ships and "carbon plating" they seem to be in a post-scarcity economy with overtechnology far beyond our own.

Japanese high schools playing what's implied to be an international sport have access to rare tank models of which only 1-2 exist in our world, so WWII presumably went on longer in theirs.

It's not just a WWII fetishism thing either since the tank instructor who was quickly forgotten about drives a modern one.

The overwhelming insistence on tanks being an expression of feminism implies some odd matriarchal things about society and willingness to send girls to war. Plus, what the hell is the state of the world like militarily that they're drilling tank maneuvers from high school?

One of the other possible club activities offered at Oarai was Ninjutsu?

Schools being on colossally huge ships is treated as a matter of fact, but they then only shuffle those ships around Japan, rather than using them to travel anywhere else in the world.

For that matter, did they ever show any of the girls in tank club attend class or study after episode 1? No wonder the school's closing.

# ? Jul 19, 2016 12:45

CommissarMega: Nov 18, 2008; THUNDERDOME LOSER

In the GuP world, Adam and Eve were Kryptonians.

Bakanogami posted:

For that matter, did they ever show any of the girls in tank club attend class or study after episode 1? No wonder the school's closing.

Ahahaha, look at this scrub! As if women need to know anything other than how to cook and drive tanks! :tvtropes:

# ? Jul 19, 2016 12:51

Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

No high school sports anime shows the non-sports part

# ? Jul 19, 2016 14:28

MrSlam: Apr 25, 2014; And there you sat, eating hamburgers while the world cried.

Bakanogami posted:

If you try to put together what the world of GuP looks like outside of Senshado you're just asking for a headache.
With the size of the school ships and "carbon plating" they seem to be in a post-scarcity economy with overtechnology far beyond our own.
Japanese high schools playing what's implied to be an international sport have access to rare tank models of which only 1-2 exist in our world, so WWII presumably went on longer in theirs.
It's not just a WWII fetishism thing either since the tank instructor who was quickly forgotten about drives a modern one.
The overwhelming insistence on tanks being an expression of feminism implies some odd matriarchal things about society and willingness to send girls to war. Plus, what the hell is the state of the world like militarily that they're drilling tank maneuvers from high school?
One of the other possible club activities offered at Oarai was Ninjutsu?
Schools being on colossally huge ships is treated as a matter of fact, but they then only shuffle those ships around Japan, rather than using them to travel anywhere else in the world.
For that matter, did they ever show any of the girls in tank club attend class or study after episode 1? No wonder the school's closing.

I think it could go either way in that the world is a eudaimonic paradise where people can have fun pretending to kill each other using literal tanks and throw away trillions on floating island schools, or the world's history has been so chock full of war even into the future it's common for most citizens to have some knowledge of mobilized combat. Whatever wars take place in the...panzer...panzerverse, I'm sure it mostly happens in the Off-World Colonies.

When I first started watching I thought they were going to be called to go to war at the end.

I heard that boys have similar war games with aerial dogfights. Is that true? Was whoever told me that making poo poo up?

# ? Jul 19, 2016 15:47

MJP: Jun 17, 2007; Are you looking at me Senpai?; Grimey Drawer

Bakanogami posted:

It's not just a WWII fetishism thing either since the tank instructor who was quickly forgotten about drives a modern one.

Come on, Girls und Cold War, hurry up and get here already

# ? Jul 19, 2016 16:12

Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

MJP posted:

Come on, Girls und Cold War, hurry up and get here already

T-64s, Merkavas, Leopards and Vickers :worship:

# ? Jul 19, 2016 16:19

MJP: Jun 17, 2007; Are you looking at me Senpai?; Grimey Drawer

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

T-64s, Merkavas, Leopards and Vickers

"Y'know, there's one thing I miss from the M-60"
"What's that?"
"This thing ain't got a hole in the bottom to take a piss out of."
"Oh, Lordy!"

OK just picture that as the girls are getting used to the M1A1 and

# ? Jul 19, 2016 16:23

Lucy Heartfilia: May 31, 2012

I finally had time to watch the movie.

IT

WAS

AWESOME

# ? Jul 19, 2016 20:46

Xelkelvos: Dec 19, 2012

Lucy Heartfilia posted:

I finally had time to watch the movie.

IT

WAS

AWESOME

# ? Jul 19, 2016 21:34

Kyte: Nov 19, 2013; Never quacked for this

BD2 booklet posted:

Tankette (with a crew of 1-2) races were the norm before Panzerfahren became a competition event. The tankettes were highly popular in Europe due to their agility and the sense of thrill from crisscrossing almost any region.

A craze among European ladies to become drivers started from the fact that the wife of Karl Frredrich Benz, the founder of Mercedes-Benz made history by being the first female driver in cross-country movement. These ladies used the easy to drive, highly compact yet fully capable tankettes as their personal car.

Rallying, originally reserved for Feudal knights going from their realm to a predetermined waypoint, came to be its modern form as a competition where one jostle for position from the starting point, goes through checkpoints until finally reaching the endpoint, at Monte Carlo in 1911.

Although The Monte Carlo Rally came to a stop due to the onset of the Great War, rally came back by 1924; a pair of noblewomen participating in a Renault FT-17 and performed in spades had managed to captivate the world press and earn accolade for the sport.

In an attempt to raise the speed and dampen the noise on the obsolete French FTs, the Renaults were equipped with all new suspension and rubber tracks, while receiving the upgraded M24/25 experimental engines, which gave it a speed of 16km/h. The FT was crewed by Belgium noblewomen, who received French Army support.

Most participants to such rally events came from Europe. The rally had participants from Paris, Berliin, Wien, Brussels, Geneve, and Roma, and even from Tunisia, some 3900km away from the starting point.

In order to address the differences in range for the different waypoints, checkpoints, with a speed cap of 25km/h during crossing, that awarded points were established along the competition route, so as to ensure that the rally was not a competition in speed.

As gala were usually hosted after the tournament, and that the participants bear the name of noble houses across Europe, the rally came to be seen a a social event for the elite and the nobility.

Even though that tanks were slower to race cars, and were prone to breakdowns, adventurous female drivers kept competing, being comforted by operating armor-clad vehicles. As as the number ofparticipants rise, the armored vehicle division moved its own competition from January to June, then change the name of the event to that of the "Monte Carlo Tank Rally".

During the time, tankette development continued on its own across the Dover Strait. In 1925, British Army Major Giffard Le Quesne Martel had created the Morris-Martel Tankette for his daughter, out ofspare automobile parts in his own garage.

As Martel's tankette crewed only one, and it was cumbersome for the sole driver to operate the hull machine-gun, a two-manned version was developed in the following year of 1926, since Martel had intended to ride with his daughter.

Having heard of this development, the owners of Carden-Loyd Tractors Ltd followed suit and came to create a miniature tankette also his own daughter. Several variants were made, including a double-seater, made for the same rationale as that of the Martel Tankette.

Martel and Carden-Loyd would eventually create the Carden-Loyd Mark VI 1928, which were licensed worldwide, yielding derivatives such as the Italian CV.33, the Russian T-27, the Polish TK3 and French UE Chenillette and so forth.

These tankettes were not sold only to the military, but also to some member of the nobility, just as the number of female tank racers increase in number.

Due to the increase in the number of vehicles participating in the sport, other events outside Monte Carlo took shape, and various forms of competition, such as speed races and gunnery skill competitions.

French Renault FT variant would show exceptional reliability in the 1925 and 1926 24 Heures du Mans (Le Mans, started in 1923). Having seen this development, other countries aside from Great Britain and France would enter into all sorts of racing competitions so as to showcase their tanks.

A British noblewoman did enter the Monte Carlos with a Mark I, but the tank fell below the 10km/h minimum average speed requirements, so it had to be withdrawn. However, the same lady had managed to qualify and complete the course in a Mark A Whippet by the following year.

The tankette craze got a further shot in the arm when the Germans, who ordered 580 LK II and only to lose to war before half way through production, liquidated the tanks piecemeal at bargain-bin prices while the country's in turmoil.

These tanks opened up a whole new target audience, who previously could not afford tanks of their own.

Modifications went rampant as these tanks were released to the market while incomplete, so instead of using the Daimler-Benz V4, LK II may have had more powerful engine, removal of turret and additional fuel tanks to improve endurance, modified armor shape and a host of other personalized customizations.

Restrictions on vehicle modifications came about when this customization went overboard, leading to cases of tanks without any armor and sporting a V12, where it no longer bear any resemblance to the stock vehicle.

It was during this time that opposition movement had separated themselves to setup new racing organizations, where any tracked vehicles that were initially made as tanks would be admitted to their competition. Such competitions came to be known as the Unlimited Class.

As this class became well received in America, the root organization moved to America as well, and the racing event came to be a support race in the Indianapolis 500 mile race.

Although LKII made vehicles more affordable, the target audience that rather not tinker with parts tend to adopt cheaper and mechanically less complex tankettes, such as the Cardne-Loyd Mark VI, as mentioned above. These designs which were licensed across the world and led to many mass produced derivatives in the 1930s.

Britain, who pioneered the Light Tanks, in following design trends, introduced the turreted Vickers 6-ton tank Mk. E.

Although they were not adopted by the British Army, the tanks were widely exported and licensed. This tank was produced as the T-26 in the USSR and the 7TP in Poland. It would pave the way for the enlargement of miniature tankettes as they become light tanks.

As the light tanks trickle down in number, the tankettes became increasingly adopted in racing events. Dummy shot competitions were also starting to take place as these tankettes were armed. It is difficult to achieve team cohesion with tankettes as one person drives as the other shoots.

The British-born tankette committee had attempted to solicit competitors with good teamwork potential, but they had little avail, save a figure skater that competed in pair figure skating events, who was wounded in the leg.

Skating developed into a recreational sport in the Netherlands, thanks to its advanced canal networks. Although the peasantry raced, the nobility went the way of competing in graceful maneuvers, which formed the basic framework of figure skating by the 17th century.

Members of the House of Stuart, who returned to England following the Restoration from their exile in the Netherlands would introduce figure skating to United Kingdom. Pair figure skating came into being as the British involved themselves with even more graceful forms as social dancing norms were merged with the sport.

The birth of a new sport came about as the tankette, crewed by the female figure skater danced about the fields in refined movements, captivated the hearts and minds of the spectators with gunnery ofpinpoint precision.

The British nobility, having seen this sort of composed action, came to a revolutionize the Equestrian competition event. The British Tankette Style, which combined elements of the British Equestrian with these tankettes thus came into being.

The British Tankette Style is essentially that of obstacle course and show jumping. The first day of the competition would be about disassembly and the repair of vehicles, the second being that of cross-country and the third devoted combined training, jumps and maintenance.

As the combined training suited Army training, and that the adolescents of the nobility class found tankettes to be adorable and easier to control, the event became popular in Great Britain.

Sporting events being developed around the tankettes would gave rise in taking these competition formats to other tank categories. The French were the most ambitious, creating team events that featured crew of more than 3, which tankette with a crew of two cannot perform.

Team competition, such as the 24 Heure de Mann and a host of others that were hosted in France, had to dictate that a crew of three and above were mandatory as competition rules, thus ruling tankette out of competition.

Anglo and French based tank competition rulesets spread across Europe gradually, and calls to standardize the games grew.

America, on the other hand, had little tank development due to the fact that Unlimited Class events centered around modifications, and that they had little interest in drafting tournament rules.

This led to European ruleset forming the basis of modern Panzerfahren rules.

I'd forgotten how much absurd worldbuilding/history came with these booklets. :allears:

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:50

Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

Wait so Senshado was already a thing in WW2?

# ? Jul 20, 2016 01:25

Zettace: Nov 30, 2009

MrSlam posted:

I heard that boys have similar war games with aerial dogfights. Is that true? Was whoever told me that making poo poo up?

Men would never do something as girly as war games. High school boys in GuP universe only do manly things like knitting.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 02:55

Space Flower: Sep 10, 2014; by Games Forum

https://twitter.com/chinpui02/status/755035771111780353

# ? Jul 20, 2016 07:44

Poil: Mar 17, 2007

That is truly amazing. :allears:

# ? Jul 20, 2016 14:47

Rectus: Apr 27, 2008

MJP posted:

Come on, Girls und Cold War, hurry up and get here already

Or, Season 2: Girls und U-boot. :getin:

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:04

P-Mack: Nov 10, 2007

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Wait so Senshado was already a thing in WW2?

Yeah they show a montage with WWI tanks during the school assembly in the first ep.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:06

MJP: Jun 17, 2007; Are you looking at me Senpai?; Grimey Drawer

Rectus posted:

Or, Season 2: Girls und U-boot.

Bleh, enough with the WWII mecha musume/shipgirls/girls and tanks/etc. already. What's a guy gotta do to get moeblobs into a BRDM or MiG-21 over here? (Stay out of this, Muv-Luv, you know that those aren't real MiG-21s)

# ? Jul 20, 2016 20:31

Ammat The Ankh: Sep 7, 2010; Now, attempt to defeat me!
And I shall become a living legend!

Girls und Panzer: Modern Warfare

# ? Jul 20, 2016 20:50

Falken: Jan 26, 2004; Do you feel like a hero yet?

Ammat The Ankh posted:

Girls und Panzer: Modern Warfare

You say modern, but the ZSU-23, BMP-1, BRDM, are from the 60s.

Also, I had fun

# ? Jul 20, 2016 22:40

Davincie: Jul 7, 2008

MJP posted:

Bleh, enough with the WWII mecha musume/shipgirls/girls and tanks/etc. already. What's a guy gotta do to get moeblobs into a BRDM or MiG-21 over here? (Stay out of this, Muv-Luv, you know that those aren't real MiG-21s)

is a mig 23 close enough?

# ? Jul 20, 2016 22:48

Falken: Jan 26, 2004; Do you feel like a hero yet?

Not moeblobs, but..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56hxsQCVB68&t=768s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSRbIhrcfo&t=1032s

# ? Jul 20, 2016 23:14

MJP: Jun 17, 2007; Are you looking at me Senpai?; Grimey Drawer

Falken posted:

You say modern, but the ZSU-23, BMP-1, BRDM, are from the 60s.

shhhhhhhh

# ? Jul 25, 2016 18:38

Space Flower: Sep 10, 2014; by Games Forum

the freaking katyusha diary

# ? Jul 26, 2016 11:28

Ammat The Ankh: Sep 7, 2010; Now, attempt to defeat me!
And I shall become a living legend!

Read through Motto Rabu Rabu and Ribbon Warrior. How often do new chapters come out in Japan?

I've also been reading summaries of the GuP background material available in English, and it turns out Erika was the commander of the tank Miho saved from drowning. Wish that was addressed in the show, the fact that Erika was indirectly responsible for losing the Nationals and Miho quitting Senshado explains why her character acts the way she does. Otherwise she comes off as bitchy for no reason.

(no idea if that needs to be spoilered, but I did it anyway)

# ? Jul 26, 2016 17:41

Runa: Feb 13, 2011

Space Flower posted:

the freaking katyusha diary

is she trying to do pull-ups

# ? Jul 26, 2016 17:57

Katreus: May 31, 2011; You and I both know this is silly, but this is the biggest women's sporting event in the world. Let's try to make the most of it, shall we?

Re: Erika

As far as I know, that's only manga or LN canon BTW, which does not necessarily correspond to anime canon.

IIRC, Erika is bitchy because Miho left KMM to apparently join a different team, leaving KMM in the lurch and leaving the team, including Erika, feel abandoned, and Erika has to somehow make up for Miho's unique skillset but is crucially aware that she's not as good as Miho at doing so.

Miho had a really good skill set and synergy with Maho that made up for KMM's doctrinal weakness: their formational discipline meant commanders were not as independent or adaptable. As Vice Commander, Miho was the one to communicate to individual tanks to carry out Maho's strategy - note that this was apparently known enough that Darjeeling's strategy against KMM in the semifinals revolved around trying to take advantage of KMM missing their top communicator and Darjeeling actually succeeded in getting to a 1v1 against Maho due to the confusion - and she seemingly was someone that KMM members liked. KMM morale crashed after Miho fled, and Maho had to spend time building it back up on her own.

Also, hah, Miho is pretty pragmatic: this doctrinal weakness is what Miho takes advantage of in the final. It's also why KMM is seemingly unable to handle surprises and unexpected events during the battle. You can see Erika's weakness in command in that battle: she's not on the same page with Maho several times, she can't follow along with Maho's strategy, and she didn't really communicate with the individual tanks to help coordinate.

Granted, Miho has less tanks to keep track of, but Miho gives pretty specific orders to individual tanks even if she gives leeway to the individual tank commanders on execution, and people are mostly on the same page as to the overall strategy.

Katreus fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 26, 2016

# ? Jul 26, 2016 18:20

Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

Kinda ironic the "German team" lacks the tactical advantage that Germany had during early WW2 and have the same doctrinal weakness that France had during that period

# ? Jul 26, 2016 19:54

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

Miho was actually michael wittmann all along

# ? Jul 26, 2016 20:00

Argas: Jan 13, 2008; SRW Fanatic

My mother's verdict on the GuP movie: It was fun but it was hard to remember which team is which sometimes.

# ? Jul 26, 2016 21:35

Zettace: Nov 30, 2009

But the teams are colour coded and are marked by insignias...

# ? Jul 27, 2016 05:56

Allarion: May 16, 2009; がんばルビ！

Allarion posted:

Also, I'm gonna stream the Girls und Panzer movie on Friday approximately around 4 PM PDT. Though chime in before then if you want another time to fit your schedule, and we'll see what we can do.

# ? Jul 27, 2016 07:47

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 13:11

Bell_: Sep 3, 2006; Tiny Baltimore
A billion light years away
A goon's posting the same thing
But he's already turned to dust
And the shitpost we read
Is a billion light-years old
A ghost just like the rest of us

Where? I rewatch it a lot and it would be fun to watch it with others.

# ? Jul 28, 2016 00:37

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