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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Bowlsby traded you to the MAC for Miami in what he thought was a fleecing. Rude
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The timing of this is semi tragic for Tulane. Willie Fritz will have them competing for AAC titles within 2 or 3 years. If this was happening then, their biggest negative wouldn't be there.
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Jul 22, 2016 23:39
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What is Texas' angle in supporting Houston to the Big 12? Are they hoping UH will siphon recruits away from Baylor/Tech/TCU but not themselves? Is it some kind of favor for the powers that be in state politics in hopes that when they decide to leave the conference they won't try to stop them? Are they trying to expand their voting bloc to keep up with expansion expansion of the conference as a whole?
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Jul 23, 2016 00:02
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General Dog posted:What is Texas' angle in supporting Houston to the Big 12? Are they hoping UH will siphon recruits away from Baylor/Tech/TCU but not themselves? Is it some kind of favor for the powers that be in state politics in hopes that when they decide to leave the conference they won't try to stop them? Are they trying to expand their voting bloc to keep up with expansion expansion of the conference as a whole? Pressure from the Texas government Tech's president issued a similar statement) + trying to stem the flow of recruits from Texas going to the SEC + horse trading to get UT-Houston off the ground
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Jul 23, 2016 00:07
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General Dog posted:What is Texas' angle in supporting Houston to the Big 12? Are they hoping UH will siphon recruits away from Baylor/Tech/TCU but not themselves? Is it some kind of favor for the powers that be in state politics in hopes that when they decide to leave the conference they won't try to stop them? Are they trying to expand their voting bloc to keep up with expansion expansion of the conference as a whole? The big plan seems to be that UH will drop their opposition to the UT Houston campus in exchange for Texas helping them get into the Big 12. However UH is doing this with the understanding that, even with Texas's help, they may not get admitted into the Big 12.
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Jul 23, 2016 03:14
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:The big plan seems to be that UH will drop their opposition to the UT Houston campus in exchange for Texas helping them get into the Big 12. However UH is doing this with the understanding that, even with Texas's help, they may not get admitted into the Big 12. Nice
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Jul 23, 2016 03:53
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:The big plan seems to be that UH will drop their opposition to the UT Houston campus in exchange for Texas helping them get into the Big 12. However UH is doing this with the understanding that, even with Texas's help, they may not get admitted into the Big 12. Tech's tepid support may come in similar fashion, in regards to the vet school that we are trying to build.
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Jul 23, 2016 08:29
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Thoguh posted:Houston had one good season and everybody is acting like they've arrived for good. Recruiting grounds or no most schools who have a good year or two fade away once they lose their coach and/or a couple key players. They might end up being a permanent G5 fixture but they aren't there at the moment. The core fundamentals for Houston are way better than they are for Iowa State. That's why I think Texas wants them. It won't threaten Texas at all, but will further weaken mid tier Big XII teams.
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Jul 23, 2016 15:50
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Kim Jong Il posted:The core fundamentals for Houston are way better than they are for Iowa State. That's why I think Texas wants them. It won't threaten Texas at all, but will further weaken mid tier Big XII teams. Why would any other Texas based team or OKC State (or really anyone else recruiting out of Texas that isn't Texas) want to vote Houston in?
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Jul 23, 2016 17:56
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Why would Texas need to weaken the "midtier" teams anyway. They already have no real bargaining position and will have to eat their dog's dinner if push comes to shove.
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Jul 23, 2016 18:19
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Kim Jong Il posted:The core fundamentals for Houston are way better than they are for Iowa State. That's why I think Texas wants them. It won't threaten Texas at all, but will further weaken mid tier Big XII teams. Do you mean weaken them financially, or that they're going to siphon talent away from the mid tier? If they're hoping for the latter, then Texas may want to look at how many head to head recruiting battles they've lost to Baylor and TCU in recent years and reconsider. As far as Iowa State, I don't think anybody would try to argue that they don't suck (except in wrestling, I feel you Thoguh), but "better than Iowa State" is a pretty low hurdle to clear if you're looking to expand.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:57
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ISU's president has stated that he feels the conference is too Texas heavy. That falls in line with the idea that Texas and tech are supporting Houston only in the knowledge that there is strong enough opposition in the rest of the conference to mean there is no chance that they are invited in the end.
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El Penis posted:The big plan seems to be that UH will drop their opposition to the UT Houston campus in exchange for Texas helping them get into the Big 12. However UH is doing this with the understanding that, even with Texas's help, they may not get admitted into the Big 12. FWIW I hope UH isn't seriously considering this offer because it is letting Texas gently caress UH. This deal (by itself, anyway) won't get us in the Big 12, AND it will force UH to the sideline while the UT system buries academic UH under a mountain of money. If the Big 12 wants no part of UH then so be it, but if UH's long term fate is a FCS-like subdivision with rivalries with Sam Houston State and Houston Baptist, at least there doesn't have to be one with UTH. dirty shrimp money fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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General Dog posted:UT@H Don't you mean h@tu
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Kim Jong Il posted:The core fundamentals for Houston are way better than they are for Iowa State. That's why I think Texas wants them. It won't threaten Texas at all, but will further weaken mid tier Big XII teams. Other than "being in Houston with access to lots of recruits" what makes you say they have better "core fundamentals" than any other G5 school? They're a commuter school that is running a huge deficit and their athletic department is basically just the football team.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:37
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Thoguh posted:Other than "being in Houston with access to lots of recruits" what makes you say they have better "core fundamentals" than any other G5 school? They're a commuter school that is running a huge deficit and their athletic department is basically just the football team. 
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Jul 25, 2016 15:45
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Thoguh posted:Other than "being in Houston with access to lots of recruits" what makes you say they have better "core fundamentals" than any other G5 school? They're a commuter school that is running a huge deficit and their athletic department is basically just the football team. And UCF's credentials are along a similar basis - the basketball and baseball teams have made noise previously but nothing in the last decade or so. If the B12 is looking to expand they're going to have to pick from a pool of schools that all fall in a similar demographic.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:52
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Thoguh posted:Other than "being in Houston with access to lots of recruits" what makes you say they have better "core fundamentals" It is literally just this. I assume Rutgers hangs "core fundamentals" banners in the stadium or something
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Jul 25, 2016 16:35
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MourningView posted:It is literally just this. I assume Rutgers hangs "core fundamentals" banners in the stadium or something Also NYC Media Market
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Jul 25, 2016 18:11
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Having football success, a television footprint, and a good recruiting area are really important. Having good women's basketball is not.
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Jul 26, 2016 00:13
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Rutgers had one of those things and still got in, so there is always hope.
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Jul 26, 2016 00:16
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Kim Jong Il posted:Having football success, a television footprint, and a good recruiting area are really important. Having good women's basketball is not. Really, it's 90% television footprint.
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Jul 26, 2016 00:28
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Kim Jong Il posted:Having football success, a television footprint, and a good recruiting area are really important. Having good women's basketball is not. CharlestheHammer posted:Rutgers had one of those things and still got in, so there is always hope. Just thought of Don Imus for the first time in years, thanks rear end in a top hat.
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Jul 26, 2016 04:16
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I don't get the TV argument, seems like its way less important given that it seems obvious that streaming services are going to replace cable in the near future. Also I find it hard to believe that people in Ohio (for example) will give a poo poo and start tuning in to Big 12 games just because Cincinnati is in unless they happened to be Cincinnati fans to begin with. Also UT is fine letting in Houston now because they have no intention of staying in the Big 12 once the GOR expires, hasn't this always been obvious? Or is it only me?
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Jul 26, 2016 14:39
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Streaming services are getting bigger but lots of people are still gonna have TV and live events like sports are still extremely valuable content. Like the ACC and Big Ten just got gigantic deals this year.
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Yeah even in the relative short term, those deals can be lucrative as poo poo. The B1G doesn't give a poo poo that nobody in DC or NYC is going to watch BTN, they just need to be available to all those televisions.
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Jul 26, 2016 14:53
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I think Houston isn't going to get in unless we go to 14, which I hope we don't. Cincy and Memphis or Cincy and one of the Florida schools seems to be choices least likely to piss off half the conference. Which means: 
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Rumors floating that BYU, with their new AD and coaching staff, are just about a lock to be invited to join. Not decided yet if it would be football-only or whole-package. Rumors also floating (thanks to Bill Snyder and some flame fanning elsewhere) that Nebraska reached out last week to see about coming back. Also a result of having a different AD than last time alignment came around.
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Jul 26, 2016 15:30
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That Nebraska thing seems like really obvious bullshit and Big 8 fan fiction. They're in a way more lucrative and stable long term situation now.
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Yeah I'd be blown away if Nebraska came back now. E: Gauging interest would be one thing and I could at least see them putting out feelers just to figure out what kind of deal they could get, but I really can't see them ultimately going back.
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MourningView posted:That Nebraska thing seems like really obvious bullshit and Big 8 fan fiction. They're in a way more lucrative and stable long term situation now. Again, this is all *rumors* but Nebraska basically provides the Big XII's long term stability. Stability is not the biggest issue. The question I have is if they would come back with the LHN still in place and if Texas would consider transforming the LHN if it means Nebraska would rejoin the conference.
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If I was WVU, I'd be pretty pissed to see BYU and Nebraska in the conference since it would move the conference center even further away from them. I hate having isolated teams so I'd rather see the Big 12 grow east instead of west. Especially since the TV markets are better going east.
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kayakyakr posted:Again, this is all *rumors* but Nebraska basically provides the Big XII's long term stability. Stability is not the biggest issue. Yeah worked really well last time Bill Snyder saying what basically amounted to "I miss playing Nebraska" is not evidence that Nebraska actually has interest in going back. MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jul 26, 2016 |
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Bird in a Blender posted:If I was WVU, I'd be pretty pissed to see BYU and Nebraska in the conference since it would move the conference center even further away from them. I hate having isolated teams so I'd rather see the Big 12 grow east instead of west. Especially since the TV markets are better going east. I don't think BYU or Braska are coming.
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MourningView posted:Yeah worked really well last time Are you worried about losing the Corn Trophy game?
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That's the Iowa State trophy, the Nebraska one is some generic garbage. I think that game will eventually be A Thing and be fun but it's not there yet so we wouldn't be losing too much. They're not some huge historic rival or something, at least right now. I was pretty adamantly against adding them when it happened. There just isn't any logical reason to think Nebraska would make that move and the only thing that really points to it happening is an old guy saying that he thinks it'd be cool.
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Jul 26, 2016 17:23
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MourningView posted:That's the Iowa State trophy, the Nebraska one is some generic garbage. I think that game will eventually be A Thing and be fun but it's not there yet so we wouldn't be losing too much. They're not some huge historic rival or something, at least right now. I was pretty adamantly against adding them when it happened. There just isn't any logical reason to think Nebraska would make that move and the only thing that really points to it happening is an old guy saying that he thinks it'd be cool. Oh, I agree
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Yes we'd like to leave the financial prosperity and conference stability and financial prosperity and prestige levels and all the goddamn money we make with the Big Ten TV deal to return to the Longhorn Conference and travel to Manhattan, Kansas where do we sign?
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I could see a set of Nebraska people who miss the OU rivalry enough to sort of want to come back, but really that's just another thing Texas hosed up for them so....
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