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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:This actually does make some sense as to why they'd be paranoid to announce early, afraid Microsoft or Sony could try and work some kind of versions of their consoles that were portable. And no, I don't mean something like the PSP, I mean a PS4 that you can take on the go. Maybe its a mobile console so that every game can have mandatory location based gameplay like Pokemon GO
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All of your old Amiibos won't work but get ready to buy some AmiiGOs! Take your Mario for a 5km walk to unlock a new skin in Smash Bros NX!
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Jul 26, 2016 19:42
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:This actually does make some sense as to why they'd be paranoid to announce early, afraid Microsoft or Sony could try and work some kind of versions of their consoles that were portable. And no, I don't mean something like the PSP, I mean a PS4 that you can take on the go. I still think there's something they're sitting on that might not even be at the hardware layer that is the thing they're trying to avoid being stolen, even/especially if these leaks turn out to be mostly or entirely true. I still think it might be some kind of interface with iOS/Android devices.
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Jul 26, 2016 19:47
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Comrade Fakename posted:I am worried that the NX will use the X1 chip and not the X2 that a lot of people are assuming. This article on Eurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-nx-mobile-games-machine-powered-by-nvidia-tegra makes it clear that the only information they have right now is that the NX uses X1, though there are some clues that it might use X2. I like the sound of those clues, but I think that an X1-powered console would be a big disappointment for me, especially since I play most of my games on the TV. I agree it's pretty dumb to see a bunch of websites reporting it must be the X2 because even though their sources say it's an X1, they had one source who says it has an audible fan and an X1 wouldn't need an audible fan so THEREFORE. But it will probably be fine either way. Whichever chip it has you can't just directly compare it to some other device because this will have its own design and architecture and other specs.
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Jul 26, 2016 19:56
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greatn posted:But it will probably be fine either way. Whichever chip it has you can't just directly compare it to some other device because this will have its own design and architecture and other specs. Which is my biggest concern, as Nintendo has done this a few times and it generally ends with one or two ~rockstar developers~ sandbagging the entire system with an uninformed comment about its "weak-rear end cpu" (or gpu) and, admittedly more fairly, general reluctance to rebuild game engines for a different architecture. But hey maybe if it's a console/portable hybrid that is actually worth a hill of beans there will be a compelling reason to port multi-system games to it, and a compelling reason to play those versions even when you get more fps/graphics on the PS4/Xbone editions.
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Jul 26, 2016 20:05
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Blazing Zero posted:i believe in the nintendoGO Oh man they're gonna call it this aren't they Count me in as more interested in a powerful portable system than a ps4/xbone competitor. Haven't bought a Nintendo product since the SNES.
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Jul 26, 2016 20:13
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We asked you nicely to take a break every couple of hours and go outside. Now we're not asking.
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Jul 26, 2016 20:42
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I hope they call the base station the Nintendock.
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Jul 26, 2016 20:44
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Use the Nintendock to house your NintenGO! and your AmiiGOs!
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Jul 26, 2016 20:53
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maybe a look at how nx ports will turn out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm16p4qYjF4
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Jul 26, 2016 21:05
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Yeah I can see third-party devs half-rear end porting their games to the NX for the first year before dropping it entirely.
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Jul 26, 2016 21:11
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So, basically the last two Nintendo consoles again?
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Jul 26, 2016 21:16
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Real hurthling! posted:maybe a look at how nx ports will turn out? While you can definitely tell in the side-by-sides, just the game by itself is pretty much fine when you're not faced with what you're missing out on. If the difference between the NX and the PS4/Xbone is similar, especially if it has a Tegra 2 or is otherwise a bit punchier than the Shield, this would definitely be an acceptable loss of fidelity for the convenience of a portable. Maybe if we're lucky that "is portable" part will be enough to make things go better than the repeated past that Mercury Crusader up there brings up 
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Jul 26, 2016 21:16
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I'm wondering about the detachable controllers part. Why have detachable controllers instead of having the controller and screen be the main controller and then having separate controllers, like with the Wii U? All speculation at this point anyway so who knows
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Jul 26, 2016 21:17
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whaley posted:I'm wondering about the detachable controllers part. Why have detachable controllers instead of having the controller and screen be the main controller and then sell separate controllers, like with the Wii U? All speculation at this point anyway so who knows because the screen needs to dock to tv and you need a controller to use.
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Jul 26, 2016 21:19
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Mercury Crusader posted:Yeah I can see third-party devs half-rear end porting their games to the NX for the first year before dropping it entirely. Depends on the company. Square-Enix, Level 5, Sega, Bandai-Namco, and especially Capcom will be very happy with this, all have done a lot of work on the 3DS that has sold very well. Capcom's made a fortune on Yokai Watch and Monster Hunter, they'll double down on this poo poo wholeheartedly. You're probably right about Western devs in general, though WB will throw Legos stuff at this, Activision Skylanders, and Ubisoft Just Dance and the like. I could see Skylanders doing very well among little kids on an NX that can go anywhere with built-in NFC support. It might eventually develop a library of ports from companies wanting to shove their old gen 7 games into a new portable market, like the DS got a lot of Gen 4/5 ports.
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Real hurthling! posted:because the screen needs to dock to tv and you need a controller to use. Ahh okay I see, my next question was gonna be does the controller transmit video to the TV wirelessly or not, now it makes sense. So no more dual screen stuff?
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Jul 26, 2016 21:20
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Real hurthling! posted:maybe a look at how nx ports will turn out? Doesn't Android's OGL implementation have a shitload of overhead?
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Patter Song posted:You're probably right about Western devs in general, though WB will throw Legos stuff at this, Activision Skylanders, and Ubisoft Just Dance and the like. I could see Skylanders doing very well among little kids on an NX that can go anywhere with built-in NFC support. I'm pretty sure that a big part of why the thing looks like it might be kind of a tablet shape (and hell, why they even did the Wii U gimmick in the first place) and functions as a tablet with buttons basically is that kids fuckin love tablets. I don't even have kids nor am I ever around them much, but when I am they are usually clutching a tablet (or their sibling is and they have Mommy's Old Phone) so even I know this, I'm sure this hasn't escaped Nintendo's market research. If this thing is cheaper (as in half the cost) than an iPad, can watch YouTube Kids, and play Skylanders, it will be a huge hit, just maybe not with HARDCORE GAMERZ (other than btw HD POKEYMONS ON YOUR TV).
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Jul 26, 2016 21:26
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The Shield Android TV has the same chip in it and costs $200, so I'd guess that Nintendo could get the NX to $250? $300?
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Jul 26, 2016 21:36
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I woke up this morning with a bad hangover And my console was missing again. This happens all the time. It's detachable. This comes in handy a lot of the time. I can leave it home, when I think it's gonna get me in trouble, Or I can rent it out, when I don't need it.
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Jul 26, 2016 21:39
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It'd even be cool to put it on my airplane seat tray and detach the controllers instead of having to be hunched over.
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Jul 26, 2016 22:08
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i wonder how spare controllers will be sold.
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Jul 26, 2016 22:12
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The Devil Tesla posted:The Shield Android TV has the same chip in it and costs $200, so I'd guess that Nintendo could get the NX to $250? $300? The chip probably isn't the bulk of the cost in either, there's all sorts of components involved.
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The Devil Tesla posted:The Shield Android TV has the same chip in it and costs $200, so I'd guess that Nintendo could get the NX to $250? $300? Yeah I assume it's going to be around $300 or less, and iPads are like $600 for the current gen ones (though old ones, and probably the kind a lot of kids have, run much cheaper). These iPads are already selling so I see no reason the NX wouldn't either around this price point.
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Jul 26, 2016 22:41
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Saucer Crab posted:I woke up this morning with a bad hangover 
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Saucer Crab posted:I woke up this morning with a bad hangover 
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I'm no game developer, but could the NX theoretically employ the Vulkan API if devs coded for it?
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Jul 26, 2016 23:00
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I've never programmed for consoles, but the way I understand it, they (or at least Sony and Nintendo consoles) have always had native graphics APIs that were more similar to Vulkan than OpenGL.
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8-bit Miniboss posted:I'm no game developer, but could the NX theoretically employ the Vulkan API if devs coded for it? if it uses the X2 chips that are rumored i think they can use vulcan but the current gen ones don't? i think i read that today
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cTt_nxTWo
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Jul 26, 2016 23:19
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The Nintendo NX is the first procedurally-created games console. No two will look alike and it will take 5-billion years to see them all
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https://youtu.be/C6cTt_nxTWo This is a really good breakdown that explains it all pretty concisely.
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Saucer Crab posted:I woke up this morning with a bad hangover Very nice 
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If the rumors about the final version using the 2X are true, this could be a really good device, as long as the price point isn't outrageous. If it's the 1X i'm not super optimistic about its future.
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sarmhan posted:If the rumors about the final version using the 2X are true, this could be a really good device, as long as the price point isn't outrageous. If it's the 1X i'm not super optimistic about its future. As the Digital Foundry guy said, using the X2 rather than the X1 would be a good explanation for why the NX is coming out in March 2017 rather than, say, November 2016, which would otherwise make a lot more sense.
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sarmhan posted:If the rumors about the final version using the 2X are true, this could be a really good device, as long as the price point isn't outrageous. If it's the 1X i'm not super optimistic about its future. The price would be ridiculous if they were using a brand new chip. I mean, they have they have to include a screen as part of the console as well. The wii u gamepad cost quite a bit.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The price would be ridiculous if they were using a brand new chip. I mean, they have they have to include a screen as part of the console as well. The wii u gamepad cost quite a bit. But isn't the benefit of going with the Nvidia folks over the AMDmen that Nvidia is so far behind that they'd be willing to eat production costs to get products out there or something?
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Yea I thought NVIDIA just wanted to sell Tegras PERIOD, since no one wants them at the moment.
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As described, it sounds like this would be the death of the 2nd screen? As described, it sounds more like a handheld that can be hooked up and displayed on a TV which if that's what it takes to get Monster Hunter on a big screen again I'm ok with... but also sounds like less of a dedicated home console. I guess what I'm saying is it feels more like an evolution of the 3DS and the loss of the Wii/Wii U. Microsoft and Sony are trying to kill console gaming with these mid generation console upgrades, I guess Nintendo is ahead of the game.
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