Defenestration posted:

It's almost too easy to burn on posts shared from War Criminal Allen B West




How, war criminal Allen West, how can you say this when YOUR OWN HOUSE IS MADE OF WALLS?

here's the rest


If Mrs. Clinton is so keen to have walls at the democratic national convention, why is she not building a WALL TO MARS? Check and mate

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Which party loves flags more? Not that it matters.

mlnhd posted:

GOP still wins, because those aren't real flags. They are just pictures of flags on a computer screen.

mlnhd posted:

GOP still wins, because those aren't real flags. They are just pictures of flags on a computer screen.

RagnarokAngel posted:

Those are just on the screen for the media. Once the cameras aren't on them those screens change to stars of bhaal and upside down crosses.

PhazonLink posted:

Pain.

This is why I fight discipline.

This is my normal. My nature.



Okay I'm pretty sure we're out of MGR quotes to repurpose.

Bast Relief posted:

I'm really salty that I didn't follow my instincts and call the flag issue before the DNC even started. I could be saying so many "I told you so"s right now. I swear these people treat it like a talisman.

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You know what? My friend ******** put this way better than I ever could, so I'm just going to put what he said, because it matches my feelings 100%. Then I'm going to bow out of the conversation.

"To those who believe Hillary is not as bad as Trump... While Trump is blatantly racist, Hillary has been vocal in the past, yet currently quietly (publicly) and systematically racist.

This can be shown in her involvement in the extermination, displacement, destruction of the lives of millions of people in Muslim countries. (As shown in leaked emails she's helping to destabilize Syria for the good of Israel) Causing the major westward expansion of Muslim refugees and exploding violence and terrorism in the middle eastern regions that is now leaking into Western Europe. Her positions on "Super predators" anti LGBT positions, her immigration stances, her poor stances on women's equality, degradation of Bills rape and molestation victims, etc., shows that she is no friend of non white, straight upper class males.

In regards to the millions of votes and hundreds of delegates she has over Sanders, we already know the primary election was rigged in her favor. The WikiLeaks proved her collusion with the DNC. The exit polls that detect voter fraud showed the vote was swayed in her favor as much as over 30% in some states. The voter disenfranchisement, Voter suppression, fraud, electronic vote switching (the machines were also made by the same company who contributed a lot to her campaign) and many other voter fraud cases for MILLIONS of voters.

The FBI investigations of classified emails that she horribly mishandled, lying under oath, tens of millions in bribes to the Clinton foundation, and obstruction of justice charges were the things which should have landed her jail time on a federal level, but somehow after a few key people who would have testified mysteriously died (such as a UN delegate who died from a "weight lifting accident" days before going to testify against Hillary) and a conversation between Bill Clinton and the head of FBI which led to any charges being dropped.. Reasonably leads one to suspect major foul play. Not to mention how Trump is now being accused of rape, Hillary Clinton has vehemently defended child rapists in court who she admittedly knew did it, and laughed about it after. Same with all of Bill Clintons rapes and cover ups.

We can go onto her destructive policies: Pro TPP, Pro Fracking, Pro War, War on Terror, War on Drugs, pro Wall Street bailouts, and Benghazi. She was a champion for almost every major bad political decision we have had since 2000.

I have read and read so many different horrible things about her from so many different and verifiable sources which uncover more and more about her past scandals. For many of which there are deaths attributed to people who were involved (almost 90 ) Anybody who could have testified turn up mysteriously dead for things like; White Water, Filegate, Travelgate, emailgate, pardons, covering up Bill Clintons Rape and molestation charges, Benghazi, using IRS like the Gestapo, she even had a hand in watergate and was fired for it. The list can go on.

So in respect, NO. I will not vote for Trump. I will not Vote for Hillary. I refuse to vote out of fear for either POS. Vote how you wish, but I will vote for neither.

"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself"

I believe that it is Un-American to not stand up for what you believe in. And I believe that Hillary and Trump are both horrible, evil people. Trump talks the talk, but Hillary walks the walk.

Either one of them will lead us further into war, loss of civil liberties, destruction of environment, increased inequality, lower standard of living and lower social and economic well being for the lower and middle class. If she is elected, the first year she will seem all cute and pretty to appeal to people and make them think she was the right choice. Then the poo poo will come out of the woodwork after that. Mark my words.

Am I disappointed that Bernie has supported Hillary? Of course. It shows that in this day cheaters win. Bernie is a great American who ran the most honest campaign we have ever seen in our lifetimes. He understood that the quality American way of life is ever decreasing and pushed for higher social standards not only for us Americans, but the world. He has started a revolution and way of thinking that he now can't stop or settle in the minds of many Americans. For that I'm thankful and shows that his campaign was fruitful. I only hope the people he has inspired will work toward a better future for us all. Myself included in holding to that high standard.

I've been aware of many of the injustices in America for a long time, but Bernie has helped to make MANY aware. Yet there are still so many Americans who don't see it, recognize it, or know what to do about it.

You're trying to convince me to vote for the lesser evil, but it is still evil. I cannot with good conscience vote like that. I cannot vote for evil at all. I will place my vote for what I believe in and it is not Hillary, nor Trump.

Truth is, that I'll be fine no matter who wins the elections, but I will continue to post about things many should be aware of. I will continue to do my part in making people aware of social, economic, environmental, and foreign injustices that are happening in the world and I hope that you do the same. I'm sure many will disagree with some things that may inspire plenty FB debates, but as long as it inspires thought and conversation about subject that matter it will be worth it. Because, the future of our society is kinda important."

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Truth is, that I'll be fine no matter who wins the elections

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So instead, in 'good conscience' you vote to kill the child then huh?
....how does that make logical sense. You'd have to answer this fill in the blank:" it's okay to murder a child in the womb when______." Your answer is because a mom doesn't feel supported. That's a good enough reason to kill?

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very cavalier. Although, this is a systematic sin. Our system is not supporting remedying abortion. Are you really saying that Trump is the best candidate to address this systematic evil? To change the economics that not only cause more poverty, less education, etc? And it's not about feelings...it's a real life, painful decision that a woman has a very good reason to make. Stop being so myopic!!!

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Yes, 100% yes Trump is the best candidate of the two who are on the card. I agree it's not about feelings, I wasn't saying that having a child is easy on the mother or father. Rather, that difficulty is not a reason to kill your kid. That's real life. No matter what the discussion is after, it has to begin with the reality that as a country, we fully supper killing children in the womb for any reason and almost at every stage in development. I think that makes me a one issue voter. You have to pass this test before anything else simply because of the severity and magnitude of the situation. War, black life's matter, poverty, all pale in comparison when you just look at the sheer number of aborted lives every single year. Again, how else can you look at it?

Also, it's not secret that Hillary is the most pro-choice candidate ever to try for the presidency. It's one of the cornerstones of her run, to "support" women (read kill children) via keeping our tax dollars funding Planned Parenthood which is the leading abortion provider in the states bar none. How can anyone in good conscious vote for that. And how can anything else matter on the ballet MORE than this? Again, economics?....that simply doesn't compare.

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Google how many lives are murdered via abortion every year...end of topic really. The magnitude literally 'Trumps' all other arguments. What can possibly be more important that stopping infanticide? A couple extra bucks more an hour, taxing the rich more? How can these trivial things even compare?

If Tump is elected, he has the power to put possibly three Supreme Court justices on the bench in favor of pro-life values, securing decades of moral law.

Again, what can even come close to that? The most inhuman thing is to take the life of a child in the mothers womb, not to not pay your workers fair in my opinion.

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How is this even a discussion...

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#1 There have been more than 53 million abortions performed in the United States since Roe v. Wade was decided back in 1973.

#2 When you total up all forms of abortion, including those caused by the abortion drug RU 486, the grand total comes to more than a million abortions performed in the United States every single year.

#3 The number of American babies killed by abortion each year is roughly equal to the number of U.S. military deaths that have occurred in all of the wars that the United States has ever been involved in combined.

#4 Approximately 3,000 Americans lost their lives as a result of the destruction of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. Every single day, more than 3,000 American babies are killed by abortion.

#5 It has been reported that a staggering 41 percent of all New York City pregnancies end in abortion.

#6 According to Pastor Clenard Childress, approximately 52 percent of all African-American pregnancies now end in abortion.

#7 One very shocking study found that 86 percent of all abortions are done for the sake of convenience.

#8 According to the Guttmacher Institute, the average cost of a first trimester abortion at the ten week mark is $451.

#9 The average cost of a vaginal birth with no complications in the United States is now over $9,000.

#10 A Department of Homeland Security report that was released in January 2012 says that if you are “anti-abortion”, you are a potential terrorist. Unfortunately, there have also been other government reports that have also identified “anti-abortion” protesters as potential threats.

#11 A while back one Philadelphia abortionist was charged with killing seven babies that were born alive, but witnesses claim that he actually slaughtered hundreds “of living, breathing newborn children by severing their spinal cords or slitting their necks.”

#12 Some abortion clinics have been caught selling aborted baby parts to medical researchers.

#13 Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger once said the following….

“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

#14 In a 1922 book entitled “Woman, Morality, and Birth Control”, Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger wrote the following….

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

#15 Planned Parenthood performs more than 300,000 abortions every single year.

#16 Planned Parenthood specifically targets the poor. A staggering 72 percent of Planned Parenthood’s “customers” have incomes that are either equal to or beneath 150 percent of the federal poverty level.

#17 There are 30 Planned Parenthood executives that make more than $200,000 a year. A few of them make more than $300,000 a year.

#18 Planned Parenthood received more than 487 million dollars from the federal government during 2010.

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The majority of your comments show a common theme - the price of birth is much more expensive than an abortion. Raising a child is a huge expensive endeavor that many lower-income families cannot see how they would do that while managing to stay afloat for themselves. Maybe rather than focus on the issue of women getting abortions, focus on the why instead. Remove the barriers that make raising a child difficult - affordable healthcare, government assistance for daycare, expanded WIC benefits, and so on. Trump doesn't support any of these. Additionally, there's been one item that's been left out that is the biggest thing that stops abortion in it's track - birth control. Expanded access and education to birth control would cull the rate of abortion.

borkencode posted:

WampaLord posted:

Why are the "debt per citizen" and the "debt per taxpayer" numbers different?

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Oh my god, they actually believe that 47% of Americans don't pay taxes.

WampaLord posted:

Why are the "debt per citizen" and the "debt per taxpayer" numbers different?

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Oh my god, they actually believe that 47% of Americans don't pay taxes.

WampaLord posted:

Why are the "debt per citizen" and the "debt per taxpayer" numbers different?

Lemniscate Blue posted:

There's something weird about arguing that the unborn must suffer as much as the living do.

Guavanaut posted:

Why are the "debt per citizen" and the "debt per taxpayer" numbers even a thing?

borkencode posted:

Aeka 2.0 posted:

Doesn't the government owe it's citizens that amount? Are they are saying the opposite of reality?

Aeka 2.0 posted:

Also, isn't there a simple rule that things are fine as long as GDP percentage vs Debt don't reach a certain percentage?

seiferguy posted:

Ahhh it continues


He's so close to getting it, but he's never going to.

Maybe if he realized maybe there's a reason why lower-income people get a lot of abortions...

edit - I'm laying the trap:

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The majority of your comments show a common theme - the price of birth is much more expensive than an abortion. Raising a child is a huge expensive endeavor that many lower-income families cannot see how they would do that while managing to stay afloat for themselves. Maybe rather than focus on the issue of women getting abortions, focus on the why instead. Remove the barriers that make raising a child difficult - affordable healthcare, government assistance for daycare, expanded WIC benefits, and so on. Trump doesn't support any of these. Additionally, there's been one item that's been left out that is the biggest thing that stops abortion in it's track - birth control. Expanded access and education to birth control would cull the rate of abortion.

seiferguy posted:

edit - I'm laying the trap:

the_steve posted:

Aren't abortion and birth control exactly the same thing, as far as most anti-choicers are concerned? You might lose points with him on that one.

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I agree we should spend our time and money on the issues you brought up. Maybe if we gave our over half a billion dollars a year to those outreach programs instead of planned parenthood, we'd be making more progress. That still doesn't make abortion any less horrific. In other words, again, because it's difficult doesn't not make something morally reprehensible somehow okay.

Raising a child is hard. Does not mean you can kill them. Are you arguing otherwise?

You cannot ignore abortions by shifting the conversation to the struggle of parenthood

Keeshhound posted:

It's not like a talisman, it is one. The flag is both a symbol of their American identity, and a ward against the evils that they view as antithetical to that identity. That's why they want you to plant one outside your house; if you have a flag, then it means you're one of them, and you're helping them stand firm against the forces of discord (terrorism, taxes, people they don't like, etc.)

As it is, they view your lack of a flag as being like a missing shield in a phalanx. You're a weak link, a chink in their armor of righteous American spirit through which evil can strike at them.

seiferguy posted:

Edit: he responded! Didn't take the bait but ignored my birth control comment anyway:

Anubis posted:

I'd quit the board so I don't have to deal with him but our long term president is retiring eventually and if he ever gets the votes I suspect he'll try and make life a living hell for the Hispanic duplex renters that he constantly rails against.