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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the hardware silence switch and a full-size audio jack from the start on the iphone are the perfect illustration of the design genius apple used to have. no minimalism for minimalisms sake, design pleasing because it fits its purpose excellent analysis when you completely ignore that bluetooth audio is a thing that exists and works, most cars for the last 5 years have a usb input that supports iphones, and you're going to get a dongle to support 3.5mm when on the go
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this phone design would be completely unacceptable in 2008!!!
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Jul 28, 2016 14:59
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Bluetooth audio sucks rear end and Bluetooth headphones suck the most rear end.
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Jul 28, 2016 14:59
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considering people accept and pay for the shitass audio quality of satellite radio bluetooth streaming is more than acceptable for the vast majority of users and wireless is preferable. and again, dongle it. your use case is covered.
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Jul 28, 2016 15:01
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it works for me tbh it doesnt sound like 128kbps mp3s and a bit better than 192kbps it's fine
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the hardware silence switch and a full-size audio jack from the start on the iphone are the perfect illustration of the design genius apple used to have. no minimalism for minimalisms sake, design pleasing because it fits its purpose speaking as a design professor, this is a good analysis -- especially the point about no minimalism for minimalism's sake. jonny ive has always had a thing for that particular style, and he's good at it, but i get the feeling that in recent years the team has just been going "how can we make the physical product disappear?" which is not really what you want, from a user standpoint. you don't want the thing to be bulky and awkward, but there's also a certain range of forms that work with the human body, and "tiny in every way" isn't one of those. furthermore, you can't realistically take a single aspect of a product out of context when you're doing a user study. ask the person "do you want your phone to be thinner?" and they'll probably say yes. let them hold the phone and discover that it slips out of their hand, they'll complain. show them that the thinness requires removing the headphone jack, and you'll get some real feedback about the tradeoffs you're making. BangersInMyKnickers posted:excellent analysis when you completely ignore that bluetooth audio is a thing that exists and works, most cars for the last 5 years have a usb input that supports iphones, and you're going to get a dongle to support 3.5mm when on the go 3.5mm audio is also "a thing that exists and works", and it works with a billion different products that people already own, and it doesn't require a battery in your headphones and it won't crap out in the airport when there are 80 other people within a hundred feet all using the same product. dongles are bad in general, but they're especially idiotic when it's just turning one small connector into another small connector. i have yet to hear anyone in this thread explain why it's good to remove the audio jack from the phone -- just a lot of people giving the possible workarounds or reasons why it won't be so bad. what do i, the non-technical woman or child, gain from this? Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Jul 28, 2016 15:09
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Sagebrush posted:. ask the person "do you want your phone to be thinner?" and they'll probably say yes. let them hold the phone and discover that it slips out of their hand, they'll complain. show them that the thinness requires removing the headphone jack, and you'll get some real feedback about the tradeoffs you're making. Stop saying they're making it thinner unless they make the camera lump thinner. Measure from the thickest point.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the hardware silence switch and a full-size audio jack from the start on the iphone are the perfect illustration of the design genius apple used to have. no minimalism for minimalisms sake, design pleasing because it fits its purpose uh huh  praise steve, disregard recessed 3.5mm
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Jul 28, 2016 15:24
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I was on a plane the other day and some goon lord with an iPhone in front of me was cycling through all these different dongles and special cases with all these accessories attached to them and it made me feel bad. our dongle future is now
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Jul 28, 2016 15:37
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people love dongles
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Jul 28, 2016 15:40
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well, i know that people love my dongle
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maniacdevnull posted:Stop saying they're making it thinner unless they make the camera lump thinner. Measure from the thickest point. The Merkinman posted:But you measure thinness from the thinnest point. reminder: this is really a thing apple does the first macbook air was "as thin as a pencil*" *at the front edge, still 3/4" thick at the hinge
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Shaggar posted:lumia 950 owns and has both a headphone jack and a standards based data/charging port i rly should use one of those
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Jul 28, 2016 16:53
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Jul 28, 2016 17:05
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every time i see some of the inane poo poo that apple manages to patent, i think i should get off my rear end and patent the inane poo poo i come up with for a random niche on my bike or around the house, because god drat they are just giving those things away then i remember that apple probably has a team of 100 patent attorneys, all of whom are paid 10 times what the examiner at the patent office makes
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Jul 28, 2016 17:43
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it's wonderful. it makes no goddamn sense and there's no coherent use case for it on a full size device, so you know they're going to do it and then they'll further butcher their interaction model to make it fit
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Jul 28, 2016 17:47
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it will be used for volume by default but then also change to not be volume in some apps and you can press it to do random functions per app.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:15
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crank dat ipad boy
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:excellent analysis when you completely ignore that bluetooth audio is a thing that exists and works, most cars for the last 5 years have a usb input that supports iphones, and you're going to get a dongle to support 3.5mm when on the go putting a battery in your headphones does not make them better, it makes them worse when i am "on the go" is exactly when i do not want a dongle
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Jul 28, 2016 18:26
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you're already insisting on being tethered to the device with a cord in that scenario having a dongle that you leave on the end of the cord is not going to impact you at all
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:you're already insisting on being tethered to the device with a cord in that scenario having a dongle that you leave on the end of the cord is not going to impact you at all who cares about the wire when it means I don't have to carry around a usb adapter and charger for another device with a battery? dongles are dumb and bad. it's another thing i have to carry around and keep track of, if i unplug my headphone and dongle, then plug my headphones into my work laptop to join a conference call, i now have a dongle that i have to remember. dongles are bad, i can not believe you are defending this idea, it's just a dumb and bad idea to have a dongle for a connector that already works fine
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Jul 28, 2016 18:32
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look at how dumb this thing is there is no world in which this makes the phone better, if this is actually what they are doing then whoever decided that this is an acceptable solution is just a dumbass
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Jul 28, 2016 18:40
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im a wireless girl, living in the wireless world life in waves, its the way 
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Vintersorg posted:oh god no please satan yes
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Jul 28, 2016 18:48
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holy poo poo who cares about the headphone port people with headphones will use the adapter and day-to-day life will remain the same (horrible) my 64gb se is still the best phone thanks and god bless
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iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same (+2, Funny) BarbaraHudson 3 hours ago So do Bible thumpers - and they've got a lot in common with Apple fanbois. 1. The two groups live in reality distortion fields; 2. They both act smugly superior; 3. They both show the same behaviors as any other cult; 4. They both have over a billion sold; 5. They both end up costing a lot more to their average user than competing products (atheisim and android); 6. They both eagerly await the next revelation. 7. There's bugs in both - and the updates to "fix" them; 8. They both claim better security; 9. They both claim to be a better value over the long term; 10. They both have a messiah who rose from the dead. And for the bonus - eventually many outgrow their narrow view. :-)
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Citizen Tayne posted:iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same (+2, Funny) Pwned by Logic.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I would plug my iphone in to another iphone and make them have iphone sex while the usb bus shorts out ))<>((
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Jul 28, 2016 19:37
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it would be cool if you could plug a double ended lightning cable between two iphones and a bubble of electricity would travel down the wire from each phone like looney tunes and then they would meet in the middle and the cable would swell up real big and explode
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Sagebrush posted:speaking as a design professor, this is a good analysis -- especially the point about no minimalism for minimalism's sake. jonny ive has always had a thing for that particular style, and he's good at it, but i get the feeling that in recent years the team has just been going "how can we make the physical product disappear?" which is not really what you want, from a user standpoint. you don't want the thing to be bulky and awkward, but there's also a certain range of forms that work with the human body, and "tiny in every way" isn't one of those. who cares what people think. people are idiots. if steve had listened to random user study morons in 2007 the first iphone would have been a clamshell with a blackberry keyboard
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yes that's exactly what i'm saying ask a person "do you want a thinner phone?" and they will say "hell yeah! give me that! that sounds good!" because they have no idea what they want. that's why you give them the phone prototype and watch them using it for a couple of weeks and see what happens. and you count the number of times the person drops it, and time how long it takes them to dig for the dongle when they want to listen to music, and ask them how they feel about the phone every day of those two weeks so you get a realistic sample. this is basic market research 101. look up the pasta sauce studies for an example of just how simple and stupid the product can be and still have people be unable to accurately describe what they need (or just outright lie about it) this type of design research is hard to do and expensive, and it often tells prima donna designers things that they don't want to hear, which is why it's so uncommon. it's also totally incompatible with apple's need to keep everything a secret from everyone until the moment it's released. "we tested this design on a sample of ten highly educated tech-savvy 25-to-50-year-old designers working at apple, and they all loved it!" Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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in any of your alls fantasies have you considered that people will just leave the dongle attached to the headphones making it basically still one cord, or do you all just imagine that every time somebody finishes listening to music they unplug the dongle, then unplug the headphone from the dongle and then put them in two separate places?
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:in any of your alls fantasies have you considered that people will just leave the dongle attached to the headphones making it basically still one cord, or do you all just imagine that every time somebody finishes listening to music they unplug the dongle, then unplug the headphone from the dongle and then put them in two separate places? leave the dongle on the headphone: works great until i have a conference call and i have to plug my headphones into my laptop leave the dongle on the phone: works bad because now i have a flappy thing hanging off my phone for no reason, also i don't know if unplugging the headphones from the dongle will divert audio to the speaker or if i have to unplug the dongle for that the dongle is going to be an extra thing that you have to keep track of, it's bad
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is the dongle included in the dimension and weight specs for the phone????????? if not, some lawyers are going to make a lot of money in the class action.
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presumably a lightning dongle would be smart enough to know if something is plugged into the other end and report to the phone if it's being used for audio or not. they do have arm microcontrollers in them
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all of that is stupid the one thing i am curious about is how compatible it will be with phone cases because thats the issue many have with the 30 pin to lightning adapters would actually be annoying and stupid to have to take the case off to plug the adaptter in
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