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Crazy bullshit theory time: Subaru becomes the Master Swordsman in future timelines after he figures out how to control Return By Death to an extend that he can decide when he returns, even to a time where he shouldn't exist. Emilia is Satella the Jealous Witch in future timelines, but because she gains the ability to gently caress with time and dimensions, she can act upon previous timelines ("previous" in Subaru's context). She is the one that gives Subaru the ability to Return By Death in the first place.  e:In all seriousness though, there were a lot of curious details in this episode. Firstly, as was already mentioned by Nowon, the Master Swordsman is still remembered despite the White Whale's erasure ability. Also, it is shown that the whale doesn't just erase memories, but physically alters the universe in order to fully remove any trace of its victim's existence. This does not work on Subaru, presumably because he has memories of alternate timelines, but he does not lose his memories of her from this timeline either which I feel might be important. We also now know that the presence of the Witch is sentient to some extent, since it intentionally killed Emilia instead of Subaru. The presence of the witch that exists in Betelgeuse (which we can infer from the visuals of the hands) seems to not care that Subaru also has Witch-granted powers and is more than willing to attack Subaru. However, it is interesting that Subaru did not see the hands when Betelgeuse used them on Rem in the previous timeline. Perhaps Subaru's "Witch stench" is a sort of attunement level that changes Subaru's relationship with his powers? This could also be attributed to the reason Emilia died instead of Subaru. e2: Or perhaps that "sentient" presence is unrelated to the Witch-given powers that Subaru and Betelgeuse have, which are wholly controlled by their owner? That would imply either that the witch is somehow watching from afar and acting upon Subaru when needed, or the presence of the witch itself contains a sentient partition that only activates in necessary circumstances. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 22:19
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Dis bear, pure dis bear. This is honestly going to be my AOTY for sure at this point.
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Jul 25, 2016 22:25
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ViggyNash posted:Crazy bullshit theory time: I don't know about the details but I would be absolutely shocked in the Jealous Witch isn't future-Emilia or pre-amnesia-Emilia or something along those lines. Anything else would feel like a twist. e: As for crazy, stupid speculation: the "Ordeal" is a series of threats to Emilia's life that lethally exclude any outcome where she doesn't become the Witch. She plucked Subaru out of his reality and into the past to ensure that Emilia goes down that path. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 22:31
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't know about the details but I would be absolutely shocked in the Jealous Witch isn't future-Emilia or pre-amnesia-Emilia or something along those lines. Anything else would feel like a twist. Yeah, that's a good addition to my bullshit theory. And I also agree that Emilia being the witch in some way is highly likely given what we've seen so far. There are no good candidates besides her, and this doesn't feel like a series where the big bad is a totally separate entity from the main cast.
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Jul 25, 2016 22:36
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I just like the idea of someone deliberately sending their horrible ex into their past to ensure they become as bitter as they are now. It's so mean.
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Jul 25, 2016 22:37
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I'm glad they're willing to go far for the big moments. Hopefully they'll do the right thing and give the last episode one hour.
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Jul 25, 2016 22:46
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I've been following the anime. First praise I had for it when I started watching was "oh good, he's not Kirito." Yesterday I had a look at the Japanese web novel to see what happens next. Re:Zero is cool and all, but I don't care enough about it to slog through a boring mire of torture-porn descriptions. I pretty much skimmed to just reading the dialogue, and the lines immediately before or after dialogue. I'll stick with the anime, no need to consume every scrap of media for this series.
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Jul 25, 2016 22:50
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Condiv posted:i didn't care much for rem since she was loli-bait but she didn't deserve to be wiped from everyone's memories. subaru did Big Chest = Loli Bait?
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Jul 26, 2016 10:08
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PerrineClostermann posted:Big Chest = Loli Bait? no u see its actually called oppai loli theres a very subtle distinction that normal people just wouldnt understand
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Jul 26, 2016 10:37
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The scene leading up to and during the credit sequence in ep 15 is some hardcore lovecraft poo poo. God drat this anime. I binge watched it with a friend in 5 days. No good outcomes from here on out i suppose. Just DESPAIR.
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Jul 28, 2016 04:44
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Talkc posted:The scene leading up to and during the credit sequence in ep 15 is some hardcore lovecraft poo poo. Yeah, it's my favorite scene in the show so far. Some great despair there.
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Jul 28, 2016 04:56
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ViggyNash posted:Yeah, that's a good addition to my bullshit theory. Emilia doesn't have the "scent of the Witch" thing, though. My working assumption is that Satella is sealed away somewhere, and can only act indirectly. Her goal is probably to trick Subaru into breaking her out somehow.
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Jul 28, 2016 06:06
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Raenir Salazar posted:What happens there exactly? Are there Mana Dragon scenes were missing out of? Somehow I assumed that's what was going on with Roswaal and Ram. Like, she wasn't able to absorb mana from her surroundings anymore after losing her horn, so she needed regular sex with a human to stay alive.
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Jul 28, 2016 06:14
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Silver2195 posted:Somehow I assumed that's what was going on with Roswaal and Ram. Like, she wasn't able to absorb mana from her surroundings anymore after losing her horn, so she needed regular sex with a human to stay alive. i'm pretty sure they showed that roswaal just kinda transfers mana to her at the end of ep 11,
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Jul 28, 2016 13:47
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I've only read the LN, not the web novel versions, but there it was just a touch based mana transfer as well, no sex involved.
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Jul 28, 2016 14:43
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't know about the details but I would be absolutely shocked in the Jealous Witch isn't future-Emilia or pre-amnesia-Emilia or something along those lines. Anything else would feel like a twist. ViggyNash posted:Yeah, that's a good addition to my bullshit theory. I'd be kind of disappointed if Emilia was the Witch. Maybe if she was "Kindness" or "Love" or something like that since the Witch apparently is based on the Seven Sins and the emotion "Jealousy." It would be better if she were the good part of the witch that got separated off somehow. I just don't want Emilia to actually be the main villain 
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Jul 28, 2016 16:31
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Emilia is the witch, Subaru is Reinhard, Puck is the dragon. The first time Puck referred to Emilia as his daughter I thought he was doing so metaphorically but he's done it a few times now and the first LN has a line not in the anime where she's talking about possibly using the Od or whatever to summon Puck and says something about a parent? (I don't have the LN handy so maybe I'm misremembering), so now I'm not sure what's going on there. Not having any information about elves or spirits or her family doesn't give much to work with either. I'm also still really curious as to why Emilia would tell Subaru to call her Satella in the first loop. If it's taboo to even say her name, and you have the same physical characteristics, why would you suggest that? It didn't come across as an attempt to intimidate Subaru, and having him potentially say that name out loud at any given point seems like a bad idea. Not that it matters a whole lot at this point given that loop ended, but it still stands out.
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Jul 28, 2016 17:12
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For more of less the same reason she told Subaru she was a Half-elf, Emilia in the first loop is actually not a very outwardly friendly person. (I mean, she has no actual friends besides Puck) and it was supposed to be a kinda jerkish, distancing thing for her to do. In the LN near the end of the first loop when she's starting to just barely trust Subaru a little bit he calls her Satella again and Emilia cringes and tells him she'll apologize later.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:08
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Armor-Piercing posted:Emilia is the witch, Subaru is Reinhard, Puck is the dragon. That was already explained, she did that because she was trying to get him to stop being friendly with her, both because she did not trust him yet and because she did not want him to associate himself with her for his own good because of the prejudice against her. It was the scene where he asks Betty about someone calling themselves "Satella" and Betty says that only a crazy person would do that, Subaru realizes the implications after hearing that.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:15
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Cowman posted:I'd be kind of disappointed if Emilia was the Witch. Maybe if she was "Kindness" or "Love" or something like that since the Witch apparently is based on the Seven Sins and the emotion "Jealousy." It would be better if she were the good part of the witch that got separated off somehow. I just don't want Emilia to actually be the main villain Emilia being the Witch is way too 'in your face' to be it, and it diminishes the discrimination she faces (which is one of her major character traits) by actually being the origin of said discrimination. She also has no connection to the Witch that anyone can detect, unlike Subaru, the mabeasts, and presumably the cultists/archbishops. It's more likely she's simply a victim of her circumstances in the story - which seems to be one of the running themes.
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Jul 28, 2016 22:57
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Assuming my bullshit theory ends up being right and Emilia ends up becoming the witch in a future timeline, it would be effectively a self-fulfilling prophecy since it was in part the discrimination and racism of others as a result of the witch being half-elf that leads to that very half-elf becoming the witch.
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Jul 28, 2016 23:50
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That's a causality loop, not a self-fulfilling prophecy  It doesn't feel like there should be a reason for a future Emilia to become a witch and then decide to travel to the past - 400 years in the past - to destroy the world. Sure it could happen, but the story just doesn't give any sort of hints at such a big loop being the central twist. So far, everything just seems focused on Subaru being the one with mysterious abilities and circumstances, thrown into conflict and disrupting what would have naturally occurred. In this context it's clear Satella is his 'benefactor', and very likely the reason why he was suddenly transported across worlds, but the idea that Satella/Emilia is doing this to ensure her own creation who is then transported to the past and sealed is... anti-thematic? There must be some other purpose and reason, surely.
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Jul 29, 2016 01:52
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Am I misreading the Japanese, or in the webnovel is the first thing Subaru does after waking up in what he thinks is Emilia's lap (after the fight with the alley thieves) is to rub his face into Puck's cat crotch?  Subaru no
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https://twitter.com/punipoyo/status/758822424095830016
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Jul 29, 2016 05:01
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What do they mean by "from zero"? Is real life "World Zero"? Is it because he's starting with nothing?
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Jul 29, 2016 05:03
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I understand it as "starting from zero knowledge about the workings and politics of the world".
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Jul 29, 2016 06:41
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Subaru's a nobody.
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Jul 29, 2016 06:48
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Conspiratiorist posted:Subaru's a nobody. I feel bad for the argument I made earlier in the thread about how Subaru didn't understand the butterfly effect. The dude is 100% average with no excelling qualities in any form. This series makes me pine for a protagonist that at least has one good quality like smarts/athleticism/charisma. But nope, it's a story about a teen who doesn't learn from his mistakes so he repeatedly suffers gruesome deaths until he gets the right character to carry him through the story arc.
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Jul 29, 2016 14:41
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He still has his moments, but really its all about him desparately influencing the outcome rather than directly changing it. I kind of like it because it's a little bit refreshing, but also extremely miserable as a result.
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Jul 29, 2016 14:53
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Subaru's trait is charisma though you may not believe me because the anime cuts out alot characterizations and only leaves hints of them. But in the third arc alone Subaru: tries to negotiate and befriend Wilhelm at the start and ends up having a friendly relation with him during his stay at Crusch's mansion, befriends the appa seller and Old Man Rom and convinces them to help him sneak into the royal castle even at their own personal risk of involvement, tries and gives up befriending Priscilla, befriends Al, and successfully negotiates with and have a friendly relation with Otto in the first death loop.
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Jul 29, 2016 15:33
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Thor-Stryker posted:I feel bad for the argument I made earlier in the thread about how Subaru didn't understand the butterfly effect. The dude is 100% average with no excelling qualities in any form. This series makes me pine for a protagonist that at least has one good quality like smarts/athleticism/charisma. Literally every other Isekai series.
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Jul 29, 2016 15:36
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CrashScreen posted:He still has his moments, but really its all about him desparately influencing the outcome rather than directly changing it. I kind of like it because it's a little bit refreshing, but also extremely miserable as a result. The lack of agency can be frustrating at times. I can't say I enjoy watching him panic and beg for his life, then running away and eventually trying to kill himself because everything has gone to poo poo, but when he manages to break past each loop. This loop is ridiculous with how much more powerful everyone is compared to Subaru. He just doesn't stand a chance against any adversary right now. In the Dark Souls timeline, he was just greeted by O&S.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:09
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But that's what you're going to have in a fish out of water hero's journey kind of story. He starts out a pathetic idiot and slowly grows in power as he learns to navigate the world. It's still early.
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Jul 29, 2016 17:18
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User0015 posted:The lack of agency can be frustrating at times. I can't say I enjoy watching him panic and beg for his life, then running away and eventually trying to kill himself because everything has gone to poo poo, but when he manages to break past each loop. i really like both of these things. it's cool seeing the psychological ramifications of this kind of scenario explored, and it's cool seeing a story created around a character who has to find better solutions to problems than "well i guess i'll just fix everything myself because i'm awesome." subaru's reliance on other people means that the story is more about subaru's interpersonal relationships than how skilled at fighting he is, which is a really nice direction to take things and it's letting side characters get a lot more spotlight than they normally would, which is pretty awesome.
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Jul 29, 2016 18:42
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i hope subaru never becomes a skilled combatant himself and the story stays centered around him having to puzzle out what the problems in a given loop are and who his options are for solving them. i think the show's struck a pretty nice balance right now where subaru isn't totally helpless in a fight but definitely can't do any heavy lifting himself. if he wants something done, he has to actually find someone who can do it, but it's definitely within his power to tag along and help out a bit
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Jul 29, 2016 18:45
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I'm wondering how far the anime will go and if they are prepared to follow the entire story or will make some sort of permanent anime-only ending at some point. I can't read the novels and by the time I'd have learned the language I'll have forgotten this existed. e: Story talk: I hope the guy finds a way to cope at some point. It is understandable if he doesn't but I hope he grows and starts mastering the one advantage he has, rather than totally crumbles.
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Jul 29, 2016 22:52
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There are things that make his position easier, counter-balanced by things continually escalating to more and more horrific levels.
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Jul 29, 2016 23:07
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Mindblast posted:I'm wondering how far the anime will go and if they are prepared to follow the entire story or will make some sort of permanent anime-only ending at some point. I can't read the novels and by the time I'd have learned the language I'll have forgotten this existed. I think it's just going to be two seasons for now, which means we've got like 8ish episodes left Hopefully that's just enough to wrap up the third arc, or the third arc is super short and we get some breather stuff. I'd be so mad if they just continue on partway through the fourth arc
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Erg posted:I think it's just going to be two seasons for now, which means we've got like 8ish episodes left There is a very natural end point at the end of this arc which I am sure the anime is going to close with.
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