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Zapp Brannigan posted:Another nice call back was during the end credits, they used TNG font. ^^Yeah, that stuck out to me, too. I suppose maybe they just wanted to switch it up after going two movies with the TOS font, but I strongly associate the font they used with TNG so my brain keeps trying to come up with some special "reason" they used it.
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Justin Godscock posted:Cineplex in Canada: the scenes in the Enterprise during Krall's initial attack were almost unwatchable because it was so drat dark. Anytime they went outside during the day it was a blessing. I also saw it in a Cineplex theater, but in UltraAVX (similar to IMAX), and I didn't have any trouble with darkness. It was a dark scene, and 3D is typically a bit darker in my experience, but everything was still watchable. I remember the same complaints from people about the night rain scenes in Pacific Rim, but I remember watching them in UltraAVX and not having a problem.
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The dark scenes an sich wouldn't be too bad, it's that they got cut so quick that it was hard to follow. Lot's of dutch angles too and tons of weird ship debris just made for super chaotic looking scenes. Oh hey in walk 2 shadows, it's probably Kirk and Bones, i can almost tell... Oh new shot, in walk 3 shadows, i bet it's ... Oh next one get ready !
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Love the cast btw, but goddamn this editing or w/e ruined this movie E; Also Sabotage again??? Really guys?? BB got more than one good song and if Kirk was a fan he would know !!!!1 heard u like girls fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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MikeJF posted:It's back and forth. I did a couple for a previous Trek thread a long time ago. (Somewhere theres a shot of a bunch of Miranda class ships smashing into each other)    I still also did a few recently with the ISS model for scale.   Regarding the brightness, it didn't look as dark when we were working on the shots as it did in the theater when I actually saw the movie. Especially during the fight on the crashed saucer.
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MikeJF posted:How about the scene from Trek '09 where she rises from the clouds of Titan? Did somebody say starship porn? http://i.imgur.com/4JTUKxN.gifv 
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That was a really good movie! My girlfriend's loves the OG series and loved this one. This was probably already answered though but if Idris Elba's crew all died but like three dudes who was flying the ten million other ships? And where did he get them? Also the Franklin's design and aesthetics were way cooler than the Enterprise's.
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RBA Starblade posted:That was a really good movie! My girlfriend's loves the OG series and loved this one. This was probably already answered though but if Idris Elba's crew all died but like three dudes who was flying the ten million other ships? And where did he get them? Welcome to the age of drone warfare.
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RBA Starblade posted:That was a really good movie! My girlfriend's loves the OG series and loved this one. This was probably already answered though but if Idris Elba's crew all died but like three dudes who was flying the ten million other ships? And where did he get them? They were mining drones from the mining operation where he also got his other technology. They operated networked together by radio signals.
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RBA Starblade posted:That was a really good movie! My girlfriend's loves the OG series and loved this one. This was probably already answered though but if Idris Elba's crew all died but like three dudes who was flying the ten million other ships? And where did he get them? From memory, they were drones that operated the mining equipment for the previous occupiers of the planet, co-opted by Krall to a new purpose.
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That would be the second time mining equipment has been used in a revenge plot.
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Subyng posted:That would be the second time mining equipment has been used in a revenge plot. Doesn't Kirk and McCoy get sent to work the dilithium mines or something in Undiscovered Country?  Man I love that movie.
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The soldiers being drones is something they should've made clearer. They could've had Spock and McCoy discover it during their sojourn. Could've used it to set up the sabotage scene later, too. Have a phaser shot damage a drone's reciever and it just goes useless or something.
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Ohh I missed the line about the mining stuff, thanks guys.
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MikeJF posted:The soldiers being drones is something they should've made clearer. They could've had Spock and McCoy discover it during their sojourn. Krall says it in his log. Yes people have missed it but there's no need to beat us over the head with the fact.
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I tried to figure out if they were drones, holograms or whatever during the movie but again it was too dark and jerky to determine. When they beamed onto a baby ship to take it over I tried to see whether they had to disable a pilot or whether the ship was empty but it was just too quick. I think they did, but can't be sure (and even then I guess it could be a drone soldier?).
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Squalitude posted:I tried to figure out if they were drones, holograms or whatever during the movie but again it was too dark and jerky to determine. When they beamed onto a baby ship to take it over I tried to see whether they had to disable a pilot or whether the ship was empty but it was just too quick. I think they did, but can't be sure (and even then I guess it could be a drone soldier?). They opened the cockpit briefly to shoot the pilots into space, but they were the armored dudes so I guess just drones.
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RBA Starblade posted:They opened the cockpit briefly to shoot the pilots into space, but they were the armored dudes so I guess just drones. I guess we're dropping spoiler tags now? That was one part that really confused me. How did they get on board the drone ship in the first place? The action happened so fast I wasn't really sure what was happening.
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So I finally saw it. Overall it was pretty good. It definitely feels like what would happen if you took an episode of a TV series (maybe not Trek specifically) and expand it out to a 2 hour film. I had issues with the film similar to the ones with TFA - it didn't really feel like there was much time passing, and there was never any real room to breathe. The other thing is that I thought the alien girl (Jaylah?) was supposed to be related to the Franklin crew somehow but she was just a random scavenger instead. Pretty solid 8/10 though. Oh and I didn't have issues seeing anything (I guess my projector was well calibrated) but I can definitely see the scenes that people might have issues with. I thought it had a lot of nice shots, and I especially loved the things they did with perspective and gravity. Subyng posted:That was one part that really confused me. How did they get on board the drone ship in the first place? The action happened so fast I wasn't really sure what was happening. If you mean when defending the space station, they beamed aboard.
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Okan170 posted:I still also did a few recently with the ISS model for scale. Those are exactly the type of image I love. When you add some sense of scale the smooth finish and clean lines click and it looks like a giant ship and the "old fashioned" design suddenly looks like something we might actually build. Also you worked on ST:B? If so well done, it looked amazing.
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lizardman posted:^^Yeah, that stuck out to me, too. I suppose maybe they just wanted to switch it up after going two movies with the TOS font, but I strongly associate the font they used with TNG so my brain keeps trying to come up with some special "reason" they used it. I figured it was just their way of fitting in a nice easter egg for the trek geeks.
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I liked the movie a lot, but like others have been mentioning, the chief lighting technician must have been someone's nephew. We looked for his name in the credits- David Tickell, I think. Tickelled again The girl was a Klingon, right? I coulda sworn when the baddie she fought with taunted her about her dad he did it in Klingon, but I can't remember what they're even supposed to look like in these movies Space Hamlet fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Subyng posted:I guess we're dropping spoiler tags now? I didn't think that said that much about the plot. 
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I'm a pretty big Trek fan but somehow managed to not learn anything about this movie so all of the surprises were actually pretty cool and I had no idea Idris Elba was even in the movie. I almost forgot how enjoyable a movie can be when you go in completely fresh
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MikeJF posted:The soldiers being drones is something they should've made clearer. They could've had Spock and McCoy discover it during their sojourn. I thought it was a pretty enjoyable film and better than ST '09 or STID. Still, it didn't click until this thread that: the soldiers were drones and the two aliens working for Krall were probably the last two surviving other Franklin crew members. I do think it would have been better to reveal Krall earlier, but it still worked better than I expected (having been spoiled by the ad showing off Elba as the Franklin's captain). The new 1701-A does look more like how I think the original '09 design should have been proportions wise too.
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Atarask posted:I thought it was a pretty enjoyable film and better than ST '09 or STID. My favorite little bit about ship design is that 1701-A has reasonably-sized windows. JJ-1701 had windows at the original scale from the smaller classic ship, so they turned into van-sized windows when it was scaled up. This one looks designed to be that scale from the beginning.
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actually, I thought it was pretty clear that the JJPrise was being scaled to the original 360 metres in this instead of 720. 360 metres has two decks thick at the rim of the saucer, 720 has four, and when she pulls into Yorktown and during other moments you can see people wondering around inside and she's clearly two decks thick.
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Put me in the "way too loving dark to see anything that's not in full daylight" camp. After watching the film in theaters I watched a YouTube clip and was like, Jesus, it's an entirely different product! It's hosed up that the movie looks better on my cheap phone than it does on a movie screen! I have a conspiracy theory involving 3d - I first heard the "too dark" complaint 5 years or so ago when the majority of movies went 3d. I wonder if cheap small theaters are doing 2d showings by just projecting 1 channel of a 3d picture?... Edit: I think I'm right! http://archive.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2011/05/22/misuse_of_3_d_digital_lens_leaves_2_d_movies_in_the_dark/?page=1 I'll bet that everyone who has the "too dark" complaint saw it in 2d Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Polo-Rican posted:I have a conspiracy theory involving 3d - I first heard the "too dark" complaint 5 years or so ago when the majority of movies went 3d. I wonder if cheap small theaters are doing 2d showings by just projecting 1 channel of a 3d picture?... Ugh,christ. Studios should include contract wording that you can't do this poo poo to their movies, it gives the films a bad name.
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Back in the day the studios used to own the theaters their films were shown in. Then the govt. stepped in and regulated that away. Quality control would've probably been way better if that were the case. Everything about the Maguffin wasn't handled well. I didn't realize that the soldiers were drones until I read it in this thread and as some who watches a lot of science fiction it's not a hard concept to grasp story wise. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Studios are allowed to own theaters again (reversed either in the 70s or early 80s) and some do but the entire distribution system has changed. Back then the studios didn't even own the bulk of the theaters, they just owned enough that they could control the release of their films better.
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Automatic Slim posted:Everything about the Maguffin wasn't handled well. I didn't realize that the soldiers were drones until I read it in this thread and as some who watches a lot of science fiction it's not a hard concept to grasp story wise. Yeah, it's very briefly implied and that's about it. It really needed to be handled better. And I still think the Maguffin would've worked better as a miniature swarm of little elements you could see and were visibly the same technology as the ships, just tiny.
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MikeJF posted:actually, I thought it was pretty clear that the JJPrise was being scaled to the original 360 metres in this instead of 720. 360 metres has two decks thick at the rim of the saucer, 720 has four, and when she pulls into Yorktown and during other moments you can see people wondering around inside and she's clearly two decks thick. Sadly, its so big that there are additional decks between the windows and below them. The big giveaway is that you can see people running past the deck-high windows and then, during the fight on the crashed saucer, the figures falling down the saucer are very very tiny. During layout, trying to make it feel as big as it is was important. Polo-Rican posted:Put me in the "way too loving dark to see anything that's not in full daylight" camp. After watching the film in theaters I watched a YouTube clip and was like, Jesus, it's an entirely different product! It's hosed up that the movie looks better on my cheap phone than it does on a movie screen! Yeah, those are a good example of the proper black level. I'll be curious to see what it ends up looking like in the BluRay release.
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Okan170 posted:Sadly, its so big that there are additional decks between the windows and below them. The big giveaway is that you can see people running past the deck-high windows and then, during the fight on the crashed saucer, the figures falling down the saucer are very very tiny. During layout, trying to make it feel as big as it is was important. Really? Huh. The shots close to the windows in Yorktown definitely made it look like there were only the two visible ones, considering the scaling of the people inside. At least to me. Oh well. There's no way anything is going to look huge in Yorktown, though.
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Space Hamlet posted:The girl was a Klingon, right? I coulda sworn when the baddie she fought with taunted her about her dad he did it in Klingon, but I can't remember what they're even supposed to look like in these movies They look like they have in every Star Trek since TOS and were in Into Darkness, she's not a Klingon. She's a something. Like every alien in this. At the end of the film it pops up three people. Idris in the middle and two others. I just assumed they were the three survivors and every other alien was a drone. It was nice how the film didn't have tonnes of exposition but I guess some people have missed out on it because things were just single lines of explanation.
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Single lines of explanation are great. Put it in a place where there's context and easily paid attention to.
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Why is the size of the spaceship so important? Like, what difference does it make?
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Another reference spotted! The yellow chick who throws Chekov out of her room at the beginning looks similar to his drill thrall from the Quatloo episode. 
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Apollodorus posted:Why is the size of the spaceship so important? Like, what difference does it make? The Holy Canon of Trek.
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