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I'll look for it on the rewatch if they did use those stalemates, but if they did, just excellent writing for people who would nitpick that kind of stuff (like myself). Basically the struggle between the two personas is so strong not even someone with a basic understanding of chess like Elliot has, even if he's really bad, would get himself into a stalemate into those games. The need for both to exist overrides any other drives, like winning a game.
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After that last episode I'm fairly certain Mrs Tyrell is grooming her bar buddy to take the fall.
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Jul 29, 2016 00:32
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm usually 'different strokes for different folks', but I'm shocked that this episode would fall flat for anyone watching. same The FBI rapidly closing in on F-Society and Darlene being followed in the streets really set the haunting "surveillance society" mood that I felt was missing from the first three episodes. You'd expect the weeks following committing a massive crime and act of national treason to be one of almost unbearable paranoia and I was a bit puzzled at how weak the backlash seemed for the gravity of the crime.
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Jul 29, 2016 02:09
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Looks like we're finally getting some hacking next week which is cool. As much as I've liked the season from a technical standpoint so far, I feel like it's been treading water a bit. We're a third of a way into the season and I feel like we are still trying to establish what the hook of the season is going to be.
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Jul 29, 2016 03:10
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I don't trust fembot at all. I feel like she's using that guy somehow, but I can't tell what yet. Also I'm really glad Elliot's got his poo poo (mostly) together now, so he can get back to hacking stuff. That said, seeing PuTTY felt weirdly innocuous, though I guess the average person has no reason to know what it is.
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Jul 29, 2016 03:39
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I'm kind of surprised at how bad B.D. Wong's Mandarin is. Well, I probably shouldn't be and am just being racist at myself.
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Jul 29, 2016 04:11
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BrianWilly posted:I'm kind of surprised at how bad B.D. Wong's Mandarin is. Well, I probably shouldn't be and am just being racist at myself. ~My wife~ said the same; I assumed it was due to him forcing the higher-pitch, but she assured me that it was still garbage. Maybe he speaks cantonese/other exciting dialect instead? Or, given he's american-born, never learnt anything other than english proficiently? 
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Jul 29, 2016 04:24
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I seem to recall him speaking Cantonese on SVU, but I myself don't know if he did that very well or not (I only speak Mandarin). I get that the point of the scene was for him to come across as the shadowy inscrutable conspirator to the American audience and speaking in a foreign language is a good shorthand for that, but I wish they had just had him speak English instead. It completely breaks my immersion when they have characters speaking things they clearly don't know how to speak in these "gritty," "grounded" shows.
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Jul 29, 2016 04:31
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Yeah both of the Asian actors in that scene pretty bad Mandarin.
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Jul 29, 2016 04:45
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I don't know a lick of Chinese but I actually noticed that, too...it just sounded stilted; all the words seemed overly separated. Oddly enough this show shares that quality with Breaking Bad as well. I know un poco amount of Spanish, and whenever a character would speak Spanish on Breaking Bad I was always surprised by how slowly they would speak, way slower than a native speaker would speak naturally. Always seemed very out of character for that show.
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well don't ever watch Narcos because the Colombian cartel guys speak 100% Mexican Spanish that show sucks dick
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Jul 29, 2016 07:13
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BrianWilly posted:I seem to recall him speaking Cantonese on SVU, but I myself don't know if he did that very well or not (I only speak Mandarin). It wasn't him actually speaking Cantonese in SVU, just someone ADR'd in. I think he's not a speaker of either dialect as evident by how halted and stilted his dialogue was.
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timp posted:I know un poco amount of Spanish, and whenever a character would speak Spanish on Breaking Bad I was always surprised by how slowly they would speak, way slower than a native speaker would speak naturally. Always seemed very out of character for that show. Depends on where the Spanish speakers are from. I've seen an Argentinian guy speak spanish soooo slow that my 1st year Spanish taking rear end could understand every word.
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Fell asleep twice watching this, the music every time man. Ray is the nicest guy ever. Has to be child porn/murder porn.
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Jul 29, 2016 09:20
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Seems too obvious. I'm gonna go with human and/or black market organ trafficking.
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Weaponized Cum posted:well don't ever watch Narcos because the Colombian cartel guys speak 100% Mexican Spanish Pablo Escobar himself is played by a Brazilian actor and his Spanish is just awful. But still, I think is a good show
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Jul 29, 2016 12:34
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The BDwong character was obviously inspired by Ken Jeongs Ballerina from the amazing show Burning Love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUjc1WrZEck&t=588s SPOILER: She had a dick
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HorseRenoir posted:This is a way better cover than Green Day deserves Escobarbarian posted:i think we can only have one more episode without some sort of big change in elliot's circumstances before i start to get pretty tired crowoutofcontext posted:The FBI rapidly closing in on F-Society and Darlene being followed in the streets really set the haunting "surveillance society" mood that I felt was missing from the first three episodes. You'd expect the weeks following committing a massive crime and act of national treason to be one of almost unbearable paranoia and I was a bit puzzled at how weak the backlash seemed for the gravity of the crime. buildmorefarms posted:Maybe he speaks cantonese/other exciting dialect instead? Or, given he's american-born, never learnt anything other than english proficiently?
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Jul 29, 2016 15:53
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Some super  chess moves in this episode.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:06
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I was a little puzzled by that chess too. I didnt paid that much attention to the moves, but I play chess since I was a kid and I never had a stalemate, and I dont think is even possible to have one with that many pieces still on board (I might be wrong about that)
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Jul 29, 2016 16:14
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So at this point I'd say it's pretty much a given that Elliot is in a mental hospital of some kind. Too many casual comments, including from his sister - like "I'll never understand why you did this to yourself" And those trays in the cafeteria.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:17
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Someone earlier in the thread said they were famous artificial games where the goal was to stalemate as quickly as possible.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:19
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I don't get why everyone is obsessing over the chess game. Elliot reached multiple stalemates because he couldn't each half of his personality needs the other. His moves from the outside perspective looked odd but to Eliot they were right because before his realization, he still wanted Mr. Robot gone.
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AwkwardKnob posted:So at this point I'd say it's pretty much a given that Elliot is in a mental hospital of some kind. Too many casual comments, including from his sister - like "I'll never understand why you did this to yourself" I found it odd there was no interaction between her and her mum! Was happy to see Tyrell sitting down for dinner. Hoping we get to see what happened in those 3 days soon!
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On the chess games, here's the reddit thread detailing their sources (they are indeed contrived games to stalemate as soon as possible): https://www.reddit.com/r/MrRobot/comments/4uz5t7/spoilers_s2e4_the_chess_games_in_this_episode_are/?st=ir7y3e5e&sh=341c6b85 The game between Ray and Elliot is a famous actual game.
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ally_1986 posted:I found it odd there was no interaction between her and her mum! Was happy to see Tyrell sitting down for dinner. Hoping we get to see what happened in those 3 days soon! The mom thing isn't that out of the ordinary since we saw in season 1 that she was fairly abusive towards them as kids.
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Alright, just to confirm, and I feel reall stupid asking this, but is that woman actually supposed to be Elliot's mom? Watching the first episode of the new season, it didn't connect at all that she was supposed to her. I just assumed she was the woman running the house. And it didn't even occur to me that she would even be alive, I just assumed she had died at some point before the first season. Considering how she was portrayed and the the roles his parents played in his life, having his mother as a background player seems weird.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Alright, just to confirm, and I feel reall stupid asking this, but is that woman actually supposed to be Elliot's mom? He explains it in the therapist meeting. She's the meanest person he knows, so she's representing the orderly or whatever at wherever he is.
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I think everything Elliot's doing is 100% as shown and all the things like trays and background sounds are red herrings. I hope they specifically do not provide an answer as a big reveal about where he's been. He'll just move out at some point and continue life as normal, leaving viewers to speculate for eternity with no actual answer.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I don't get why everyone is obsessing over the chess game. Elliot reached multiple stalemates because he couldn't each half of his personality needs the other. His moves from the outside perspective looked odd but to Eliot they were right because before his realization, he still wanted Mr. Robot gone. I read it exactly opposite, even though they claim they want the other gone, neither of them truly wants the other gone and both are (maybe unconsciously) trying to stalemate as soon as possible.
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uncertainty posted:I read it exactly opposite, even though they claim they want the other gone, neither of them truly wants the other gone and both are (maybe unconsciously) trying to stalemate as soon as possible. This. Like Christa was saying too, Mr. Robot's a part of him, and excising him is probably a bad thing since he's killing a part of himself. Elliot wants to find a way to get back on the same page with Mr. Robot and start working towards his real goals.
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Jul 29, 2016 20:22
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We still don't know who knocked on Elliot's door at the end of last season either do we? The opening scene this episode had me hopeful but nope.
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Jul 29, 2016 20:32
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That was a pretty funny fakeout. Also kind of weird to see Elliot before Mr Robot splintered his mind.
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NmareBfly posted:I think everything Elliot's doing is 100% as shown and all the things like trays and background sounds are red herrings. I hope they specifically do not provide an answer as a big reveal about where he's been. He'll just move out at some point and continue life as normal, leaving viewers to speculate for eternity with no actual answer. I'd quite like this, actually.
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I think it's more likely than not that Elliot is voluntarily admitted to some sort of halfway house or something, but I'd love it if it turns out he really is living with his mom and all the clues are just red herrings he's playing up for the audience because he's still pissed that they figured out Mr Robot's secret and didn't tell Elliot, so now he's just trying to gently caress with everyone.
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Jul 29, 2016 21:51
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Oh yeah I smile like a god drat jackass every time Elliot mentions the audience. "...you were there." was amazing, but earlier in the season he says something to the effect of "I'm not telling you everything this time, I don't think I can trust you." and it should be the cheesiest thing in the world but it works so god drat well.
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Jul 29, 2016 22:01
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I know everyone loves the attention to detail this show has. I spotted one in this episode. When Elliot was on his computer in the opening flashback where Darlene came to his apartment on Halloween, you could see Utorrent open on his screen for a brief moment. The version number in the title bar was 3.2.1, which was released in early October 2012. So unless he was still using an older version and ignored updates for a long time, we have a specific date for when Elliot first let Mr. Robot take over: October 31, 2012. Do we know how long Elliot had been working at Allsafe?
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sticklefifer posted:he was still using an older version and ignored updates for a long time 3.2.2 is the version where they added ads, so that's 100% possible: http://www.ghacks.net/2012/11/09/utorrent-3-2-2-update-brings-in-content-ads/ But he actually should have been using 2.2.1 I think? That's the one people refused to upgrade from IIRC. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Ah. Well, cool that they had him using the pre-ad version anyway. Though I wonder how long it would take them to get that whole team together, form fsociety, get in with darkarmy contacts, buy the arcade, get Elliot to such a high security level at Allsafe, etc. since that night.
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sticklefifer posted:I know everyone loves the attention to detail this show has. I spotted one in this episode. Halloween would be a good explanation for why Darlene wore a mask and wanted to watch a horror movie with Elliot.
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