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How were the fletchings mass produced? Byproduct of poultry raising? Byproduct of hunting? Specifically farmed?
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House Louse posted:How exactly would they make the shafts? Getting them straight must have been a real job; did they start off with long square bits of wood and lathe them down, or what? Given how many arrows people must have needed, it seems like an incredible amount of work. They start with small square timber cut ready by sawmills and handplane it until it's almost round. A lathe doesn't work well for arrows, apparently it flexes the shaft a bit too much while being worked and you end up violating the grain. Straightening is done by heat, but it's a fairly trivial step. Some of my target arrows still show the marks of the plane. The Lone Badger posted:How were the fletchings mass produced? Byproduct of poultry raising? Byproduct of hunting? Specifically farmed? Ottoman military arrows, not the fancy ones, seem to be fletched with what appeard to be goose feathers. Representative arrows were fletched with vulture, eagle or cormorant feathers. Those are taken from the wings. Each animal only yields a couple of them and you can't combine left and rightwing feathers. Having worked with goose, what I noticed is, that instead of the very long fletching on bling arrows, it is approximately the size and shape of modern parabol fletches. That means, you can get 2 fletches out of one feather. It must have been intentionally farmed on a fairly large scale, otherwise you'd just wipe out the population of wild animals each time you prepare for war. That sort of leads to the question how people in the steppe did it. It's rare for fletching to survive longer than a few centuries, but there's some of the conquest period left. Power Khan fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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Jul 30, 2016 09:57
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Henry V ordered a mass goose plucking operation to get feathers for fletching - most rural English villages (at least up at home in the Derbyshire Dales) still have large ponds that usually still carry some kind of goose related name. A lot of them are medieval - so id presume (might be making this up tbh) that there was a level of planning in terms of production, providing areas where geese would congregate so that they could be harvested. It's a really interesting example of a distributed medieval industry, war preparation must have required some incredible levels of resource management and distribution. I'm sure there must be some academic work on the production chain, but I've only read works on archery from the 16th century (check out Toxophilus), so I'm not all that familiar with it.
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Jul 30, 2016 10:35
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:When the OP was being written we specifically decided against saying this sort of stuff in order to keep from discouraging new posters who might have valuable knowledge. Jealous? While I agree with not putting anything like this in the OP, it's silly to imply that we're putting goons on a pedestal just by giving suggestions where to start looking for good posts in a thread that has over 45000 total posts to a goon who asked about that.
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Jul 30, 2016 10:50
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lenoon posted:Henry V ordered a mass goose plucking operation to get feathers for fletching - most rural English villages (at least up at home in the Derbyshire Dales) still have large ponds that usually still carry some kind of goose related name. A lot of them are medieval - so id presume (might be making this up tbh) that there was a level of planning in terms of production, providing areas where geese would congregate so that they could be harvested. It's a really interesting example of a distributed medieval industry, war preparation must have required some incredible levels of resource management and distribution. I'm sure there must be some academic work on the production chain, but I've only read works on archery from the 16th century (check out Toxophilus), so I'm not all that familiar with it. England is a nice example, for anything on the subject being in english. Without looking into the index of the last issues of the Journal of Archer Antiquaries, I can tell you that there's at least one article on the subject in each edition of this.
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Jul 30, 2016 11:49
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my dad posted:Jealous? I'm saying putting them in the op would be putting them on a pedestal. That's why I quoted the guy talking about putting them in the op, not you.
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Jul 30, 2016 12:38
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I think you see whose posting you like and can look it up at your own leisure anyway.
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Jul 30, 2016 12:43
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I've got a question on WWII. I just recently watched this retrospective on Call of Duty, which then made remember this video. We really haven't seen many big name WWII games recently, have we? Even Battlefield's gone back to WWI (although automatic weapons and tanks that move faster than walking are the order of the day, because historical accuracy is nothing compared to maintaining core mechanics, can't risk the players getting out of their comfort zone). So I'm curious, what obscure battles/theatres/units would you include in a WWII game? Or what other wars would you want to see covered? I mean, aside from Landsknecht Shooting out of Window Sim 1642, that one's a given.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:03
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Yvonmukluk posted:I've got a question on WWII. Running around doing cavalry raids in Asia minor for the Byzantine empire trying to stave off invasion for another decade.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:09
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Yvonmukluk posted:Or what other wars would you want to see covered? I mean, aside from Landsknecht Shooting out of Window Sim 1642, that one's a given. I'd love to see the Spanish Civil War. Almoooost World War 2 like, and you've got fighters, bombers, tanks, all that stuff, but different enough to be interesting. Plenty of options for sides too - on the one side CNT/FAI, the International Brigades, the Communist units, on the other side the Nationalist forces themselves but also Italians and Germans.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:10
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The easiest way to get new readers would be to reboot the thread. This one is over kilo pages and some years old already, and some posters think that they have to read the whole thing before they can post. The op could be just copypasted to the new one.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:13
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Yvonmukluk posted:So I'm curious, what obscure battles/theatres/units would you include in a WWII game? Anything involving actual French armies fighting, so Operation Dragoon or the invasion of 1940. quote:Or what other wars would you want to see covered? I mean, aside from Landsknecht Shooting out of Window Sim 1642, that one's a given. Honestly I've never been entirely satisfied with melee weapons in an FPS game and doubt I ever will be, but mount & blade is probably the closest to getting it right, so that would give you some lead. But to really do a pre-gunpowder game right an emphasis on ravaging and siege would be necessary, and they don't really handle either well.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:22
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It'd be nice if there was a better way of finding the various effortpost series than remembering who posted them and going through page after page of the thread looking for that person's last post.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:24
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Yvonmukluk posted:So I'm curious, what obscure battles/theatres/units would you include in a WWII game? I'd be interested in a single-player campaign from the German perspective. I imagine such a thing could really attack a lot of myths (clean Wehrmacht in particular) if written well, but there's no way a AAA studio would ever risk it's players being complicit in virtual Nazi war crimes.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:40
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We'd first need to get a friendly mod/admin in here again who can goldmine this thread for easy, archiveless linking.
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Jul 30, 2016 13:41
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The Battle of France (Oh WW2 Online  ), Burma Campaign or the invasion of Malaysia and last stand fights around Singapore would be nice and new compared to the stuff that put people off that era. The Commando Raids of the early war would make a fantastic tutorial setting even!Also, non WW2 I'd love some good fps/rpgs set in some of the 18th and 19th century conflicts. Or a Crimean War game based on Darkest Dungeon style mechanics where you have to fight off dying of disase, hunger or from your wounds.
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Jul 30, 2016 14:36
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Call of Duty: F. Spencer Chapman Make the game unplayable for 3 weeks of every month to simulate being incapacitated by malaria.
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Jul 30, 2016 14:40
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Koesj posted:We'd first need to get a friendly mod/admin in here again who can goldmine this thread for easy, archiveless linking. Grand Fromage is a good mod. The last one who goldmined the Milhist thread got permabanned soon after. Good thing too, she wasn't a very good mod and just planned to gas the Milhist thread because she didn't like it.
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Jul 30, 2016 14:41
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Hogge Wild posted:Grand Fromage is a good mod. The last one who goldmined the Milhist thread got permabanned soon after. Good thing too, she wasn't a very good mod and just planned to gas the Milhist thread because she didn't like it. That poo poo came out of nowhere, huh? People all happy chatting and she came in and was all "justify your existence or I will extinguish this thread". Because the last thing you want is people talking and learning or something.
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Jul 30, 2016 14:48
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Wasn't that during the time he who must not be named kept dropping his truth bombs?
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Jul 30, 2016 14:54
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It is probably too politically sensitive but I've always thought a survival management game set somewhere like a Japanese POW work camp (ala Narrow Road to the Deep North) would be neat.
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Jul 30, 2016 14:56
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Why would anyone want to open the pandora's box of grognards?
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Jul 30, 2016 14:56
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I'm hoping to close the thread on page 1137 since that's the year Louis VI died and he's my bro. That should give people time to do some cleanup and get together a new OP or whatever. If I miss 1137 because I'm too busy having sex at the gym (or playing dota) i'll close it on 1143 for the death of Emperor John Komnenos.
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Jul 30, 2016 14:59
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bewbies posted:It is probably too politically sensitive but I've always thought a survival management game set somewhere like a Japanese POW work camp (ala Narrow Road to the Deep North) would be neat. That'd be one of the most dark and depressing games if they pulled it off. The good ending is somehow getting out alive with your buddy with enough mental will to supress what you saw so you can live a vaguely normal life!
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Jul 30, 2016 14:59
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SeanBeansShako posted:The Battle of France (Oh WW2 Online If you want a rpg set on the War of Crimea there's always Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
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There was a little game called 'Hidden Agenda' back in the 1980s wherein you were the new president of a central American country that had just overthrown its dictator (you can still play it via emulators http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/138/hidden+agenda.html). It was kind of fun selecting cabinet members and polices and such, but the only way not to end up eating bullets against a wall in the ruins of the capitol was to go hard left at every turn and ally with the USSR. Toilet paper is an effete bourgeois affectation after all.
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Jul 30, 2016 15:07
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I want a gloriously depressing Warsaw Uprising game.
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Jul 30, 2016 15:20
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I want a game set in the chinese theater of ww2 mostly to watch wweaboos squirm when the japanese warcrimes show up
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Jul 30, 2016 15:43
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A good eastern front campaign would be cool. Chinese theatre would also be sweet.
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Jul 30, 2016 15:49
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CBI, I want my Far Cry 2 malaria mechanic back.
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Jul 30, 2016 15:50
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Agean90 posted:I want a game set in the chinese theater of ww2 Unit 731 simulator or cut a hundred chinese heads version of fruit ninja would be badass
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Jul 30, 2016 16:01
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Yvonmukluk posted:So I'm curious, what obscure battles/theatres/units would you include in a WWII game? Call of Duty: Forgotten Fronts. China, Finland and Burma. I was reading some Flashman and it's mentioned that the official report on the Crimean War came down heavily against the generals and had to be redone by a different group. Is this true, and are there similar cases?
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Fangz posted:I want a gloriously depressing Warsaw Uprising game. I am pretty sure Steel Panthers: World At War had a "put down the Warsaw uprising" scenario.
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Jul 30, 2016 16:06
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Fangz posted:I want a gloriously depressing Warsaw Uprising game. They made one. It was depressingly bad.
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Jul 30, 2016 16:22
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Lets be honest, we all want a WW2 game that is basically like the World At War documentary that covers pretty much a few hours of gameplay for a soldier from the start in China to the bitter end in China with a Brothers In Arms level of detail with what the soldiers went through. That would be awesome and I'd pre-order/kickstart/buy that if would ever happen. I imagine it'd take a decade to pull off too.
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Yvonmukluk posted:So I'm curious, what obscure battles/theatres/units would you include in a WWII game? China/Burma, playing as a Chinese soldier Campaign against Italian East Africa (or tutorial missions as Ethiopian soldier in the war of 1935) The Battle of Dakar (turret section)-->fighting in Syria/Lebanon Campaign against the Murmansk Railway Also I really wanted to do a game called "Mitläufer/Fellow traveler", basically a CYOA that casts you as a young German man in 1938, with the goal of surviving until 1950. If done well it could really show the social dynamics that caused people to sort of support the regime even when they knew that bad poo poo was going down. Do you volunteer for service before they can draft you, thereby getting to chose which branch of the Wehrmacht/Waffen-SS you join? Do you try to get an apprenticeship in some war-critical industry in the hopes of becoming too important to draft? Do you play nice with the local Nazis in hopes of being able to call in favors after the war turns bad and the Wehrmacht grows increasingly desperate in its search for new cannon fodder? When do you ditch the regime in the last days of the Third Reich, knowing that going too early means you'll probably be executed as a traitor, but going too late means awkward questions will be asked in your de-nazification trial? Do you refuse the draft and hope that you can somehow make it through seven years of concentration camp? If you get drafted and your unit ends up being called up for a mass shooting of "Partisans", do you refuse? Do you refuse even if that means your CO will volunteer you for that dangerous scouting mission later? Also if you join the Navy there is a good chance you end up in a sub and that's a flat 70% chance to game over. If you get assigned to one of the capital ships, chances aren't any better.
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Another good Forgotten Front: the Japanese invasion of the Aleutians and the American counterattack. Short, but could make a good tutorial.
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Jul 30, 2016 17:10
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ww2 italian front game, you're an allied soldier fighting 1943-1944. the ending cinematic is your soldier reading a newspaper announcing the normandy landings and the game telling you it ends here because nobody gives a poo poo what happens in italy anymore
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SeanBeansShako posted:The Battle of France (Oh WW2 Online I wish it wasn't always dead when I tried to play Kemper Boyd posted:I am pretty sure Steel Panthers: World At War had a "put down the Warsaw uprising" scenario. Put it down?  Kemper Boyd posted:I am pretty sure Steel Panthers: World At War had a "put down the Warsaw uprising" scenario. RO2 had... a reasonable campaign mode. Online play is pretty great too.
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spectralent posted:Put it down? Depending on which side you play, of course, but yes, that's what a historical scenario depicting the battle for Warsaw is all about.
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