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Spacebump posted:I'd assume BYU is really popular in areas beyond Utah while UCF or Cincy struggle to be the most popular in their own cities. Thoguh makes a good point that it's about subscribers and not viewers. If the future conference network could be ordered separately or in a sports pass, BYU could still maybe cause more subscribers. (but this is a big stretch so probably not.) Yea, I'm really just basing it on the the BTN model where you get yourself into a state and then you get to jack the rates up for the hypothetical Big 12 conference TV network. BYU is a more popular program nationwide compared to Cinci or UCF, but that won't translate to money the same way.
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Thoguh posted:Sure, but presumably expansion would be about getting a conference network started. And that's all about subscribers, not viewers. I'm not sure that works unless Texas is okay junking LHN
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It seems pretty likely that the bundle isn't going to be a thing anymore by the time the Big 12 gets a network off the ground, thus adding a poor man's Rutgers and poor man's Maryland would probably be short-sighted.
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Everything about this is shortsighted. This is all being organized by old white dudes who are basing their decisions on a media distribution platform that is likely to radically change within a timeframe as small as 5 years. Both cable and satellite are hemorrhaging subscribers. The Big 12 should just stand pat until the GoR expires and then can adapt to the new media environment--whatever it may be--or, hopefully, blow up.
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Thoguh posted:Sure, but presumably expansion would be about getting a conference network started. And that's all about subscribers, not viewers. Haven't you heard? Conference expansion is all about raping your tv partners with pro-rata increases per team added and fleecing your new conference mates for all but a pittance that the networks are paying for their games now
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I wonder how much it will cost ESPN to drop the LHN, last article I read on it the LHN only hit the break even part last year and I can't see it expanding beyond that point with the accelerating abandonment of cable for streaming services. At some point its going to cost ESPN less to take whatever fine they suffer from dumping it than to keep it around, as surly a Big 12 network (that includes UT) makes them more money.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Word is Big 12 wants to name teams before the season starts. well Tulane is screwed, they needed one more season so their new hire could show he owns.
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Spacebump posted:well Tulane is screwed, they needed one more season so their new hire could show he owns. Tulane's invite was never contingent on the quality of their program. They're being considered entirely because of their academic reputation and their location. A good team won't help or hurt them in any way.
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Numlock posted:I wonder how much it will cost ESPN to drop the LHN, last article I read on it the LHN only hit the break even part last year and I can't see it expanding beyond that point with the accelerating abandonment of cable for streaming services. At some point its going to cost ESPN less to take whatever fine they suffer from dumping it than to keep it around, as surly a Big 12 network (that includes UT) makes them more money. I am astounded to hear that it is breaking even.
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Thoguh posted:Sure, but presumably expansion would be about getting a conference network started. And that's all about subscribers, not viewers. Texas fleeced ESPN and got their own network. I doubt they give that up to give the poors more money.
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kayakyakr posted:Tulane's invite was never contingent on the quality of their program. They're being considered entirely because of their academic reputation and their location. A good team won't help or hurt them in any way. You can drink on the street there. ON THE STREET. We're gonna add a bunch of Mormons over that?
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My favorite Mormon thing is how in Utah they CAN serve you beer at restaurants but they have to pour it behind a screen where you can't see it go into the glass
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You heard it here first - UConn to the Big XII: https://vine.co/v/5AaheKeurOV
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JesustheDarkLord posted:Anecdotally, Memphis has a pretty good fan base in the greater Memphis area. I spent three years there for law school and was a minority within the city as a Tennessee fan. I was not a minority in any other sense and in Memphis that is pretty significant. I just moved to Memphis last year and I want Big 12 to come here for selfish reasons so I can enjoy better football than I currently get. However, I feel Memphis is a basketball town first and foremost, unfortunately. Last season was their best ever in football and they only sold out one game (Ole Miss). I do think Memphis could be a solid football town and I had a great time at the games I went to. The gameday scene at Memphis is a lot of fun and pretty underrated. The tailgating is almost SEC-esque and I think visiting fans would have a good time here (probably more fun than going to Provo or Cincinnati in November). 1. Go to Central BBQ for lunch, 2. Tailgate, 3. Go to the game (they sell beer at Memphis home games which is a plus), 4. hit Beale Street after the game. MourningView posted:Tears well up in the eyes of the Rutgers president as he proudly unveils a New York Television Market statue outside the stadium rofl Next on the Big Ten Network: Big Ten Legends, The New York City Media Market
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PostNouveau posted:You can drink on the street there. ON THE STREET. We're gonna add a bunch of Mormons over that? Not only that but the food is amazing as well. Arguably better than every other location in the conference. (unless you are really into Tex-Mex or BBQ)
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Spacebump posted:Not only that but the food is amazing as well. Arguably better than every other location in the conference. (unless you are really into Tex-Mex or BBQ) I mean, Cajun food is pretty drat good, but is it as good as Tex-Mex and BBQ combined?
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kayakyakr posted:I mean, Cajun food is pretty drat good, but is it as good as Tex-Mex and BBQ combined? I'm a native Texan. I've lived in both Austin and New Orleans. Tex-Mex is my favorite food but I still think the New Orleans food scene owns it. In the end it's all personal preference. I would say there is a strong argument that cajun food + to go cups for drinks is > Tex-Mex and BBQ combined. Another reason New Orleans would be a great away game destination is Harrah's. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Spacebump posted:I'm a native Texan. I've lived in both Austin and New Orleans. Tex-Mex is my favorite food but I still think the New Orleans food scene owns it. In the end it's all personal preference. That's fair. Cajun + drinking in the street may be better than Tex-Mex + BBQ, largely because you can't have both at once (except at Valentine's Tex Mex BBQ, but they don't count).
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General Dog posted:It seems pretty likely that the bundle isn't going to be a thing anymore by the time the Big 12 gets a network off the ground, thus adding a poor man's Rutgers and poor man's Maryland would probably be short-sighted. The Big Ten already has the poor man's Rutgers, it's Rutgers.
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ISU's AD gave an interview Friday where he was pretty open that he and the university president don't care one way or another about adding teams or not, or what teams. They just care about extending the GOR. They're intending to vote for any expansion that includes an extension of the grant of rights and against any expansion that doesn't.
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Thoguh posted:ISU's AD gave an interview Friday where he was pretty open that he and the university president don't care one way or another about adding teams or not, or what teams. They just care about extending the GOR. They're intending to vote for any expansion that includes an extension of the grant of rights and against any expansion that doesn't. Isn't that cute?
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Thermos H Christ posted:I am astounded to hear that it is breaking even. They spend almost nothing on it from what I understand, so they probably just funnel the subscription bundle money from people too dumb/old to get a apple TV or equivalent to UT.
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You better be nice to Iowa State or they'll leave and go to...uhh...how's Conference USA's tv deal these days?
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Thoguh posted:I hate all of you. Hey man we weren't supposed to reveal the new conference slogan yet!
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Hey man we weren't supposed to reveal the new conference slogan yet! New? That's been the Big XII mantra since 1996.
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kayakyakr posted:New? That's been the Big XII mantra since 1996. The old one used to have an exclamation point. The period in the new one really shows the resignation and disgust that's been building up for twenty years.
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I think the Big XII should add the Cincinnati Bearcats Here is a reason why I think the Bearcats would be a good fit: quote:Nippert Stadium's namesake
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Goetta posted:I think the Big XII should add the Cincinnati Bearcats holy poo poo that's amazing
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News: Fox & ESPN not happy with the Big XII wanting to expand http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/08/01/Media/Big-12-TV.aspx Views: Lie in that bed, jackholes.
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General Dog posted:Maybe they could make a compromise and pay them not to expand? I posted this a few pages back, but I think there is a chance the Big XII is bluffing and that's their goal. Instead of $80 million a year to pay for Cinci games, give them $20 million a year to not expand.
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kayakyakr posted:News: Fox & ESPN not happy with the Big XII wanting to expand I hope we expand to 16 just to spite them.
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MourningView posted:You better be nice to Iowa State or they'll leave and go to...uhh...how's Conference USA's tv deal these days? At least half of the Big 12 is probably in the same mindset of ISU, so it's not like we're standing alone here. ISU and KSU are definitely the most vulnerable of the teams though.
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Bird in a Blender posted:At least half of the Big 12 is probably in the same mindset of ISU, so it's not like we're standing alone here. ISU and KSU are definitely the most vulnerable of the teams though. I think Baylor might be the most vulnerable of all at this point. No P5 will want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. Not to mention all of the other reasons nobody would want them.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:I think Baylor might be the most vulnerable of all at this point. No P5 will want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. Not to mention all of the other reasons nobody would want them. yup. Bird in a Blender posted:At least half of the Big 12 is probably in the same mindset of ISU, so it's not like we're standing alone here. ISU and KSU are definitely the most vulnerable of the teams though. The one thing ISU has going for them is they are an AAU member. That hasn't really helped Tulane and Rice, though.
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