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"Your honor, you'll notice that if you flip the corner of our trial brief detailing the evidence we will be presenting, you'll see Michael Jordan performing a backboard shattering slam dunk."
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Jul 31, 2016 01:18
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I think this shows the wisdom of the Feds being very patient and letting the occupation drag out for a while, because the Bundy idiots used that time to bury themselves in heaps of self-incrimination. It's simply amazing how they have strung themselves up so neatly.
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Jul 31, 2016 01:19
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There's more than ten pages of just guns
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Jul 31, 2016 01:28
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Page 13 to page 34 inclusive for guns and ammo, goddamn. Also I'm kindof upset at the complete lack of any network traffic captures since Fry was very obviously using linux bootsticks in the agency PCs on the agency network to do stuff.
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Jul 31, 2016 01:33
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ooh I found a typoquote:
That's a federal government license plate not an oregon license plate. Looks like the feds just admitted the U.S. government is under the jurisdiction of the sovereign state government, checkmate case dismissed.
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Jul 31, 2016 01:40
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"671 Video - Sean Anderson firing at airplane 1/27/16 MNWR_0019409" Good stuff.
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Jul 31, 2016 01:44
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there was some predictable stuff in there like
then i got to the gun section and thought "eh there probably won't be anything good in here", but
i don't think any of these people were ever going to rise above the level of "miller-lite minuteman" with the kind of firearm safety they practiced. there's pages and pages worth of exhibits that read like "3 live rounds of X size ammo, found loose in a drawer" 
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Jul 31, 2016 02:12
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Physical Evidence - Guns new thread title
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Jul 31, 2016 02:14
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PST posted:Gavin Seim's ability to twist the truth is truly impressive. Yep, conveniently left out the whole "building a pond on someone else's private land without their permission". Lutha Mahtin posted:there was some predictable stuff in there like You missed "Physical Evidence - Guns - One (1) cardboard box labeled "TANNERITE, Brand Binary Exploding Targets", containing ten (10) containers that appear empty, with orange "Tannerite" labels" and "Physical Evidence - Guns - One (1) container, opened, with orange label, "TANNERITE Brand Mixing Container and Instructions", with small amount of gray substance." Tannerite's a low explosive usually used to produce targets that go off with a bang when shot. It might be a low explosive, but it's still explosive. Oh wait, this one's good... quote:Physical Evidence - Guns - Ten (10) rifle magazines containing two hundred six (206) .223 caliber live rounds of ammunition, some rifle magazines are marked "PAYNE". Evidence was removed from a green tactical vest (1B196) which was found by Jeremiah Pucket, Harney County local who claimed he found it "on the side of the road". Somebody tried to ditch his fighting gear. Any idea what the "checks to MNWR" might be used for? There's also mention of bank cards under the government's name and physical cash. They going to put a grand theft/larceny charge on them as well? Young Freud has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 02:35
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Deeply disappointed that there weren't 8 fewer pieces of evidence.
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Jul 31, 2016 03:17
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CaptainSarcastic posted:The hammer is coming down - government releases pretrial brief against the Bundys. Oh these morons are only leaving prison in body bags. CaptainSarcastic posted:I think this shows the wisdom of the Feds being very patient and letting the occupation drag out for a while, because the Bundy idiots used that time to bury themselves in heaps of self-incrimination. It's simply amazing how they have strung themselves up so neatly. If only all terrorists were as courteous/stupid.
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Jul 31, 2016 03:17
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Young Freud posted:Yep, conveniently left out the whole "building a pond on someone else's private land without their permission". Tannerite is pretty drat close to legal ANFO, other than the detonation method. They even have similar detonation velocities (~3500m/s or so). 5 lbs of it (10 1/2 lb containers) detonated at once would be a pretty good way to gently caress someone up real bad. Mixed with a binder and in a slightly different ratio, it's also the fuel that the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket boosters burned. 
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CommanderApaul posted:Tannerite is pretty drat close to legal ANFO, other than the detonation method. They even have similar detonation velocities (~3500m/s or so). 5 lbs of it (10 1/2 lb containers) detonated at once would be a pretty good way to gently caress someone up real bad. Yeah, that's part of the point I was getting at. Even if it has a low detonation velocity compared to high explosives like TNT, put it in a metal container would still produce shrapnel that could kill someone. Even at without a container, if you're close enough to it, it would be still probably kill or maim someone, even in small amounts. The labels on the stuff even mention that minimum safe distance is about 100 yards for the 1/2 lb. jars. I just read somewhere that 5 lbs. is enough to blow out the windows and blow off the doors of vehicle. Looks like the FBI has a datasheet on Tannerite, just in case a vendor sees someone buying large amounts of it. 
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Jul 31, 2016 04:16
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ponzicar posted:Plus a good percentage of the evidence seems to be their Facebook posts and videos. Apparently showing off your illegal activities on the internet is a bad idea. I guess they figure since the illuminati plot and place clues right out in the open so some neckbeard can foil them means they have to do the same
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Jul 31, 2016 04:16
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My favorite so far:272 posted:Physical Evidence - Guns - Five (5) empty magazines found with I hope the handwriting is as poor as the nonsensical phrase "Arch Angel I Angel of" would indicate 
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Jul 31, 2016 04:17
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quote:181 Physical Evidence - General - One blue 55 gal. drum marked 'Passion water based lubricant' (opened) (1B344)
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Jul 31, 2016 04:21
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CommanderApaul posted:Tannerite is pretty drat close to legal ANFO, other than the detonation method. They even have similar detonation velocities (~3500m/s or so). 5 lbs of it (10 1/2 lb containers) detonated at once would be a pretty good way to gently caress someone up real bad. Don't even need that much. Pack it in a confined space, even a small amount with shrapnel things like nails and poo poo around it and you'll gently caress a whole bunch of poo poo up
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Jul 31, 2016 04:22
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Holy poo poo lolz! I hope someone special is reading this
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Jul 31, 2016 04:24
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CaptainViolence posted:I hope the handwriting is as poor as the nonsensical phrase "Arch Angel I Angel of" would indicate That had to have been David Fry's.
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Jul 31, 2016 04:27
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SocketWrench posted:Don't even need that much. Pack it in a confined space, even a small amount with shrapnel things like nails and poo poo around it and you'll gently caress a whole bunch of poo poo up If it can be set off by being shot then it's presumably really unstable once mixed. Could be kinda nervous.
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Jul 31, 2016 04:32
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SocketWrench posted:Holy poo poo lolz! I hope someone special is reading this not real
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Jul 31, 2016 04:46
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The Lone Badger posted:If it can be set off by being shot then it's presumably really unstable once mixed. Could be kinda nervous. Not really. It can only be set off by a high velocity impact, typically from transonic projectiles (that is over 2,000 fps or 600m/s) with larger calibers being more reliable in triggering a detonation than smaller calibers. The Tannerite website even has a list of calibers that are not guaranteed to set off a Tannerite target, mostly being pistol cartridges fired from pistol-length barrels. The whole point of using Tannerite for target practice is because you would be shooting at this stuff at long range with rifles and you would likely not be able to see your own impacts, even with spotter scopes.
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Jul 31, 2016 05:03
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You got me so excited.  The only thing that could make this better is if they kept a literal diary like the silk road guy.
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Jul 31, 2016 05:30
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You all missed this gem:quote:Physical Evidence - Guns - One (1) 44 caliber black powder pistol, Someone brought a loving old timey pirate gun e: no it's a revolver, an old timey revolver
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Jul 31, 2016 05:33
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:You all missed this gem: Is a revolver not a type of gun? It's in the gun section, right? Or is it not a pirate gun? Not trying to start gunchat, just not understanding...
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Jul 31, 2016 05:41
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VioletCorsica posted:Is a revolver not a type of gun? It's in the gun section, right? Or is it not a pirate gun? Not trying to start gunchat, just not understanding... revolvers aren't particularly piratey
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Jul 31, 2016 05:46
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Lutha Mahtin posted:
loving  Dear patriots I mail you these bullets so you can
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Jul 31, 2016 05:52
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:You all missed this gem: One of the felons probably brought that. It doesn't meet the legal definition of a "firearm" in the US so folks who are barred from owning firearms can still buy them.
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Jul 31, 2016 05:54
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:You all missed this gem: A pepperbox pistol??? Like one of those revolvers with 3-12 or more barrels?
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Jul 31, 2016 06:42
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, that's part of the point I was getting at. Even if it has a low detonation velocity compared to high explosives like TNT, put it in a metal container would still produce shrapnel that could kill someone. Even at without a container, if you're close enough to it, it would be still probably kill or maim someone, even in small amounts. The labels on the stuff even mention that minimum safe distance is about 100 yards for the 1/2 lb. jars. I just read somewhere that 5 lbs. is enough to blow out the windows and blow off the doors of vehicle. Y'all missed the video last March of the Georgia idiot that lost a leg from a tannerite explosion. http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2016/03/georgia_man_loses_leg_shooting_explosive_tannerite.html
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Jul 31, 2016 07:21
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Rick_Hunter posted:Y'all missed the video last March of the Georgia idiot that lost a leg from a tannerite explosion. That's a hefty splash of greasy freedom on the lens there
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Jul 31, 2016 07:36
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:You all missed this gem: It's an Italian copy of an Old West Colt revolver so cowboy gun, not pirate gun
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Jul 31, 2016 08:36
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Rick_Hunter posted:Y'all missed the video last March of the Georgia idiot that lost a leg from a tannerite explosion. "Oww I blew my leg off." Literal quote.
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Jul 31, 2016 16:08
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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/759501629053739009 That withdrawal receipt dated three weeks after the occupation started has me REALLY CURIOUS what account they debited that from. Surely they weren't so incredibly stupid right at the beginning when they still thought they were doing something just to use all that financial information they took from the workspace to steal money from the U.S. Government or the Friends of Malheur Refuge, right? Note that they had several government Mastercards in their possession as well. Holy geez the trial is gonna be amazing.
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Jul 31, 2016 16:15
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Merrill Grinch posted:https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/759501629053739009 If that was from a bank account held by the government or the Friends of Malheur Refuge or someone who donated to MNWR, how did Chase even allow the occupiers to withdrawal from the account? I knew this stuff would add up to another charge, they had at least five figures in cash from the exhibit list. I'm certain that the government credit cards or the fuel cards got used.
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Jul 31, 2016 16:39
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Young Freud posted:Any idea what the "checks to MNWR" might be used for? There's also mention of bank cards under the government's name and physical cash. They going to put a grand theft/larceny charge on them as well? The first thing I thought of was that all the financial stuff was probably locked up, which would mean somebody broke into a cash register or safe. Like if they found fingerprints all over a broken cash register, then found the same prints on a bunch of money and checks stashed away in a corner, well... I'm not a cop or a lawyer but I think the owner of those prints would be royally boned. It also wouldn't surprise me if there was at least one case of somebody pocketing a refuge employee's fleet card to fill up their truck 
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If I'm reading this right, the withdrawal was on 1/26 and the standoff began on 1/2. Looks to me like those four items, taken together, show someone going to the bank to deposit a check to the MNWR account, then using that check along with the ID listed fourth to withdraw $6,000, which went into the bag listed third. Is there something I'm missing about the dates?
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Jul 31, 2016 18:01
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Azathoth posted:If I'm reading this right, the withdrawal was on 1/26 and the standoff began on 1/2. Looks to me like those four items, taken together, show someone going to the bank to deposit a check to the MNWR account, then using that check along with the ID listed fourth to withdraw $6,000, which went into the bag listed third. Is there something I'm missing about the dates? Someone was trying to drain money out of a government account and abscond with it.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Someone was trying to drain money out of a government account and abscond with it. Well you see, as all taxation is theft really he was just recovering his stolen property. :sovcitsay:
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