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Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Labor wins Herbert by 37 votes

# ? Jul 31, 2016 04:24

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# ? May 22, 2024 05:40

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

SynthOrange posted:

Labor wins Herbert by 37 votes

Did anything happen that'll trigger a return to the polls for that electoare

# ? Jul 31, 2016 04:30

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

In other indigenous news

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-31/coalition-rules-out-two-indigenous-commissioners-for-nt-inquiry/7675670

quote:

Four Corners: Coalition rules out Indigenous co-commissioners for NT inquiry into juvenile justice By political reporter Eliza Borrello Updated about an hour ago

Special Minister of State Scott Ryan says the Coalition has ruled out appointing two Indigenous Australian co-commissioners to the royal commission into the Northern Territory's juvenile justice system. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull set up the royal commission this week after Four Corners aired vision of boys in a Darwin detention centre being teargassed and forcefully stripped naked. Senator Ryan said the Government would not be acting on the Opposition Leader Bill Shorten's suggestion for two Indigenous Australians to work alongside the royal commissioner, Brian Martin. "The Government has appointed Brian Martin and we are keen that this royal commission get underway very quickly, that's why it's so targeted," Senator Ryan told Sky News.

Inquiry will be seen as a 'con job': Shorten

Mr Shorten made his call for two Indigenous co-commissioners during a visit to Darwin yesterday. "This royal commission has to be with Aboriginal people, not to Aboriginal people," Mr Shorten said. "I believe it would be appropriate for the royal commission to have two co-commissioners who are Aboriginal Australians, strong people, men and women, who can make sure the voices and the experiences of Aboriginal Australians are given full justice in this royal commission." Mr Shorten also went on to say having a royal commission without Aboriginal co-commissioners would be seen as a "con job" � but the phrase was left out of the official transcript distributed by his office. "To have an inquiry on the treatment of Aboriginal children in the justice system in the Northern Territory and not have Aboriginal co-commissioners will be seen as a political manipulation," the transcript reads. But Mr Shorten's full quote was: "To have an inquiry into the treatment of Aboriginal children in the criminal, in the justice system in the Northern Territory and not have Aboriginal co-commissioners will be seen as a con job, seen as a political manipulation."

Senator Ryan has described Mr Shorten's use of the phrase as "confected outrage".

"Bill Shorten also used the word con job yesterday, and quite frankly, Bill Shorten's confected outrage on a daily basis on some issues is a bit like a grey sky in Melbourne in July, you just have to get on with the job and ignore it." Giles is 'incompetent' and should be subpoenaed: Dodson Labor Senator Pat Dodson said the Northern Territory's Chief Minister Adam Giles should give evidence before the Royal Commission, saying the NT Government should not be involved in setting up the royal commission. "The Chief Minister of the Northern Territory has demonstrated he's incompetent to deal with this matter and I don't think he should be in any way influencing it," he said. "He should be subpoenaed to appear before it."

Confected outrage? Is that like Chicos and Redskins?

It may be opportunist but at least Shorten has said the obvious and necessary. The choice of commissioner was an appalling error and without some effort to balance the very clear basis of bias in appointing Brian Martin QC.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-28/nt-youth-detention-royal-commission-who-is-brian-martin/7670576

I don't have TV so I haven't really watched any of the torture porn but in the pictures from the ABC link they blurred out the aledged perpetrators faces but left an underage boys buttocks exposed? :psyduck:

Thanks for the untagged kiddie porn ABC.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 04:35

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Last week Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance - WAR respectfully put a public call out for the Socialist Alternative to not attend our rallies. SAlt blatantly and disrespectfully ignored this by showing up and continuing to colonise a black political space by pushing their own agenda and profiting off the black struggle. Specifically today, they were drawing profit off what is a very painful and emotional issue for the Aboriginal community, our black children being held in abhorrent conditions and abused while incarcerated in detention. In Meanjin (Brisbane) several SAlt members were asked to leave by members of WAR. They refused. SAlt demanded that we engage with them and they demanded that they have a rightful place in our space, our Aboriginal political space, on Aboriginal land. WAR don't pander to our oppressors, WAR don't meet the demands of our colonisers. WAR support and welcome solidarity but we do not tolerate the colonisation of our spaces and the profiting of our dispossession. Do not let these leeches push their agenda onto you. If you want to be schooled in black politics - buy independent black media such as The Black Rising magazine, if you want to donate money - donate to true grassroots not for profits that are run by Aboriginal people for Aboriginal people such as WAR, Brisbane Aboriginal-Sovereign Embassy, Grandmothers Against Removals, the BASE food program etc.

SAlt in Brisbane are also notable insofar as they reaaaaaaaally hate Jewish people (from what I've seen)

# ? Jul 31, 2016 04:51

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

LibertyCat posted:

I unironically miss Arnott's Golliwogs.

Yeah they were pretty good. Did they ever replace them with a non-golliwog version?

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:06

LibertyCat: Mar 5, 2016; by WE B Bourgeois

Higsian posted:

Yeah they were pretty good. Did they ever replace them with a non-golliwog version?

"Scallywags". Same biscuit, discontinued soon after.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:07

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

ungulateman posted:

Ricky Muir is definitely the senator who most accurately represented Australia as a whole

turns out that's ~~bad~~ mixed

Everyone can have lovely wrong opinions. I know I've had a few, I guess the measure will be when someone actually explains to him how lovely and bad that is if he's willing to listen and change.

Still one of the better senators in the last parliament. Pretty good representation of the average australian, good at heart but also not really understanding how racist they are sometimes.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:13

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Turns out that using the original mold still results in a biscuit in the shape of a racist caricature.
hth.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:17

LibertyCat: Mar 5, 2016; by WE B Bourgeois

Offense is taken, not given. I doubt 99% of Australians under the age of 30 ever saw a "racist" golliwog.

Destroying a good type of biscuit because 1% of the population consists of thin-skinned dickheads is regrettable.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:23

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

The millenials are to blame.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:25

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

http://australiafirstparty.net/bring-back-golliwog-biscuits/

This website's great fun!

quote:

The award, which ought to reflect and unite this great nation, has evolved into a mere plaything of social engineers and reflects all of the unhealthy preoccupations of the Left.

The lucky recipients announced on Australia Day then spend a year lecturing the rest of us about how backward and awful we all are compared to their enlightened selves.

From Adam Goodes to Rosie Batty and now Morrison, you would think we are an irredeemably racist, sexist nation in which every man is an incipient wife basher.

quote:

WHITE AUSTRALIA WAS EARLY CODE FOR DEFENCE OF AUSTRALIA

How loving thick do you have to be to think that White Australia is in anyway coded language?

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:27

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

The government should mandate which brands are produced to protect companies from political correctness IMO

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:27

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

We will decide what biscuits are made in this country, and the circumstances in which they are made.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:28

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Higsian posted:

Yeah they were pretty good. Did they ever replace them with a non-golliwog version?

Isn't that the teddy bears?

Cartoon posted:

It may be opportunist but at least Shorten has said the obvious and necessary. The choice of commissioner was an appalling error and without some effort to balance the very clear basis of bias in appointing Brian Martin QC.

RCs are so versatile! Create issues with them, but also kill issues with them! Can't have someone on the team who might waste time! Issue management has now devolved to the biggest stick they can wave.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:32

Digiwizzard: Dec 23, 2003; Pork Pro

Launch a Royal Commission into Royal Commissions and the culture of fact finding commissions.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:36

LibertyCat: Mar 5, 2016; by WE B Bourgeois

gollyywogs aside, we'd be better off with a a senate of Muirs than the current lot.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:43

Aesculus: Mar 22, 2013

LibertyCat posted:

gollyywogs aside, we'd be better off with a a senate of Muirs than the current lot.

Agreed, kick out Pauline and the libs, Abetz, Bernadi, Lambie and the lot.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 05:54

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

norp posted:

Did anything happen that'll trigger a return to the polls for that electoare

ABC posted:

The Coalition has the option of taking the matter to the Court of Disputed Returns and asking for a re-count.

Special Minister of State Scott Ryan has explained the process.

"If we get a declaration of the seat of Herbert on Monday or Tuesday, which is a likely outcome at this stage, the writ would then be returned on the following Monday, which I think is August 8," he told Sky News this morning.

"Then that starts the period of 40 days whereby a candidate or someone may challenge the result of an election in the Court of Disputed Returns.

"It's marginally less than 40 days on this occasion due to some administrative arrangements but let's just say it's about 40 days from next weekend."

Another recount could take place but a by-election won't unless something extraordinary happens.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 06:06

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

LibertyCat posted:

Destroying a good type of biscuit because 1% of the population consists of thin-skinned dickheads is regrettable.

They could just make them with a different mold if they want to avoid the problem. Maybe it was just a poo poo biscuit that no one bought any more :shrug:

# ? Jul 31, 2016 06:17

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Tokamak posted:

Maybe it was just a poo poo biscuit that no one bought any more

mllcp

# ? Jul 31, 2016 06:26

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Is lolbcat actually a libertarian because so far all I've seen him do is propose more government and bitch when the free market puts his cookie out of business.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 07:22

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Starshark posted:

Is lolbcat actually a racial supremacist?

yes

# ? Jul 31, 2016 07:23

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Cartoon posted:

In other indigenous news

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-31/coalition-rules-out-two-indigenous-commissioners-for-nt-inquiry/7675670
Confected outrage? Is that like Chicos and Redskins?

It may be opportunist but at least Shorten has said the obvious and necessary. The choice of commissioner was an appalling error and without some effort to balance the very clear basis of bias in appointing Brian Martin QC.

But don't you see that the two Aboriginal commissioners would also be incredibly biased? They come from a position that torturing indigenous children is inherently wrong and just aren't prepared to listen to their betters tell them how darkies need civilisation beaten into them :lnp:

In the space of three days at work, the conservatives here have gone from shock and outrage over children being horribly abused to "it's the only way they'll learn" and "there's nothing else for them to do out there but cause trouble, this will straighten them out" and it's just so loving depressing. All facts get quickly forgotten and the old conservative line of "hurt everyone" floats to the top like the poo poo it is.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 07:34

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

every person for the year after they finish school should be forced to work in a detention centre (youth / refugee, your choice)to instill correct Aussie values, then we wouldn't have a PC problem in a generation

# ? Jul 31, 2016 07:45

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

Starshark posted:

Is lolbcat actually a libertarian because so far all I've seen him do is propose more government and bitch when the free market puts his cookie out of business.

sounds like a libertarian to me

# ? Jul 31, 2016 08:52

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

ewe2 posted:

Isn't that the teddy bears?

Oh yeah the chocolate tiny teddies are the same thing. I haven't had those since I was a kid. I'll have to pick some up next time I go shopping.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 09:03

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

On phone

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/luke-foley-puts-forward-reform-plan-to-save-greyhound-racing-industry-20160731-gqhkml.html

Luke Foley continuing his run into irrelevance.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 14:18

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Luke Foley has never been relevant.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 14:23

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Touchè

But this is an amazing hill to die on choice. Its legit a policy that makes Labor voters not vote Labor because its so clean what Baird is suggesting.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 14:25

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

"Let's regulate it to the highest standards of animal welfare"

that's called banning it buddy

# ? Jul 31, 2016 14:39

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Seagull posted:

"Let's regulate it to the highest standards of animal welfare"

that's called banning it buddy

The best part is that is that his comments make clear that he is putting himself in the corner that he would never ban Greyhounds, even though his argument is they need time to clean up their act. The second he gets asked what he would do if Greyhounds continued to be corrupt after his plan he has to either say he'd ban it or put in theoretical even stronger measures.

This is such a courageous policy.

# ? Jul 31, 2016 14:49

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

quote:

http://www.theland.com.au/story/4065336/leyonhjelm-turnbull-government-direct-betrayal-on-adler-ban/?cs=4956
DAVID Leyonhjelm says the Turnbull government has �welched� on a political agreement linked to overturning a 12 month importation ban on the Adler A110 lever action shotgun.

The NSW Liberal Democratic Senator is expecting to be re-elected for a second term when voting for the Upper House from the July 2 double dissolution election concludes this week.

But he�s seething at an announcement last week by Justice Minister Michael Keenan to extend the Adler ban and effectively dishonour a deal struck in the previous parliament.

Emails obtained by Fairfax Agricultural Media show Mr Keenan�s office signed-off on a sunset clause on the rifle�s importation about one year ago, along with Immigration and Border Protection Minister Peter Dutton, after bargaining with the crossbench Senator.

�We confirm that Ministers Dutton and Keenan have agreed that the government will amend the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956 to insert a sunset clause of 12 months into the recently amended provisions which ban the importation of lever action shot guns with a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds,� said an email from an advisor in Mr Keenan�s office on August 12 last year.

�The effect of the sunset clause would be that 12 months after this amendment comes into effect the ban will automatically cease to be in place.

�In return, Senator Leyonhjelm will vote against the Labor amendments to the Migration Amendment (Strengthening Biometric Integrity) Bill 2015.�

The email chain said the government also agreed to commit to ongoing consultation between Minster Keenan - who is also the Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter-Terrorism - and �a wide range of key stakeholders� including shooting associations and firearms dealers.

But Mr Keenen�s media statement last week contradicted that �good faith� arrangement, Senator Leyonhjelm said.

Mr Keenan said the import ban on lever-action shotguns with a magazine capacity of greater than five rounds and detachable firearms magazines with a capacity greater than five rounds was due to expire on August 7.

He said it was introduced due to the government�s concern that a significant number of high capacity lever action shotguns were shortly due to be imported into Australia.

Mr Keenan said the ban was based on the advice of Commonwealth, State and Territory law enforcement agencies and officials pending the outcomes of the review of the National Firearms Agreement (NFA) struck in 1996 following the Port Arthur Massacre.

�As that review is yet to be finalised, today the Australian government extended the prohibition on the importation of lever action shotguns with a magazine capacity of greater than five rounds,� he said.

�The prohibition is intended to be in place until the review of the NFA is concluded and the agreed outcomes are implemented.�

Senator Leyonhjelm said he spoke to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull about the government �welching� on its agreement with him and got the impression the Prime Minister was being poorly advised by Mr Keenan.

�He (Mr Turnbull) didn�t seem to be aware of the facts and was repeating nonsense that could only have come from Keenan�, he said.

Senator Leyonhjelm said Mr Keenan�s statement represented a �direct betrayal� of an agreement they made and �in other words, the deal we did last year isn�t worth a pinch of poo poo�.

�As the email exchange shows, my agreement with the government is black and white,� he said.

�What this shows is that the government�s word is completely worthless even when it is in writing.�

Senator Leyonhjelm said apparently a deal was not a deal when it was struck with the Turnbull government; despite being in writing with senior ministers and their staff.

He said he would take the broken promise into account when negotiating with the government in future and also bring the matter to the attention of his fellow crossbench Senators.

�The government clearly cannot be trusted to keep its word,� he said.

Senator Leyonhjelm said the Coalition government was also being ridiculous about the seven shot Adler shotgun.

He said the five shot version was freely available and can be easily converted to hold seven or eight shots.

�Furthermore, rifles and pistols with 10 round magazines are treated no differently from those with small magazine capacities,� he said.

�Minister Keenan is obsessed with the Adler and receiving very poor advice from the firearms section of the Attorney General�s Department.�

NIOA - Australia�s leading privately owned small arms supplier � is understood to be looking to import the Turkish-made shotguns into Australia.

But in a statement last year when the Adler ban was first announced - pending the NFA review which resulted from the Martin Place siege - Robert Nioa from NIOA said no state or federal government department had expressed any concern to him about the firearm�s importation, which was for licensed owners.

�Most surprising is that there has been no public safety issue related to lever action shotguns in Australia for the 130 years that they have been available,� he said.

�The gun is needed for feral pest control in rural areas - primarily crop protection from birds and control of disease spread by wild pigs.

�There has been no consultation on this issue with farmers, licensed firearm owners or the Australian firearms industry and no government spokesman has been able to articulate a reason for the ban.�

Mr Keenan�s statement said States and Territories had primary responsibility for the regulation of firearms and would need to implement any NFA reforms, before the ban could be lifted.

He said extending the prohibition ensured the firearms in question can�t be imported into Australia legally, until there was a consistent national approach to its classification.

The review of the NFA is due to be considered by Commonwealth, state and territory Ministers later this year, he said.

Asked whether the government had broken its promise to Senator Leyonhjelm, a spokesperson for Mr Keenan said the ban was always intended to be temporary.

The spokesperson said the government was hopeful of reaching a resolution between jurisdictions regarding updates to the NFA, before the ban was due to sunset.

�As this review has not been finalised the government makes no apology for extending the ban until there is a nationally agreed NFA,� the spokesperson said.

The National Farmers� Federation�s submission to the NFA review said the Adler shotgun had been subject to intense public debate and, �unfortunately much of this has lost sight of the facts�.

NFF said the shotgun�s design had been around for more than 100 years but a �new technology� label was being used to indicate �all lever action firearms are a concern�.

�We have seen no evidence of any misuse with lever action firearms and believe that debate around this firearm could lead to poorly reasoned policy changes which affect law abiding firearms owners,� NFF said.

�There are likely hundreds of thousands of lever action firearms already in Australia; many thousands of them are lever action shotguns with the same design as the Adler.

�Not only has false information regarding the design been circulated widely, but also a ban on the importation of the shotgun in its original form was enacted before the review of the National Firearms Agreement was announced.

�The NFF views this decision to ban the importation of the Adler as an unfortunate and ill-conceived reaction to a poorly informed public furore.�

In its summary, the NFF said it was critical the focus of any changes to the NFA be cognisant of the need for primary producers to continue to access effective pest management tools and focussed on addressing the heart of the problem - being criminal misuse of firearms, rather than law abiding gun owners.

Mr Nioa said he was aware front line police were pressing governments for more resources to fight the illicit use of illegal firearms by criminals and �this might simply be a cheap way for governments to ignore the front line police and say they have done something�.

�It is much more convenient for government to write a letter to a farmer banning a tool of trade rather than provide the funding that is being requested by front line police,� he said.

Mr Dutton�s office was also included in the email exchange, confirming the deal struck last year with Senator Leyonhjelm.

In an email on August 12, 2015, to Ms Wood, Senator Leyonhjelm confirmed he agreed to support the government�s migration amendments in exchange for the sunset clause on the rifle importation ban.

�I�m serious about the consultation process being ongoing, not one-off or reactive, but I�m assuming there is good faith here,� he said.

�I have advised (Family First SA Senator) Bob Day accordingly and will speak to (Motoring Enthusiasts� Party Victorian Senator) Ricky Muir shortly.�

The NFA sets out nationally-agreed principles for the regulation of firearms in Australia between the Commonwealth and each of the states and territories providing some of the most stringent firearms regulations in the world.

That's what you get for trusting people.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 00:38

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

open24hours posted:

That's what you get for trusting people.

Particularly the Libs

I hope for one this begins the tone of the senate.

Turnbull won't be able to credibly use a DD as a circuit breaker this term, especially if they dont pass the abcc legislation

# ? Aug 1, 2016 00:44

SadisTech: Jun 26, 2013; Clem.

I get far too much enjoyment out of watching detestable people fight other detestable people. Particularly when they're in positions of authority.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 00:59

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

I'm going to have to turn the sensitivity down on my bullshit meter it is getting overwhelmed by the enormous tide of crap surging over it everyday.

Free trade equals prosperity! According to known font of truth and goodness Scott Morrison. Well no it doesn't.

It means the richest people get richer. this report spells it and a bunch of other stuff out in some detail.

http://www.tai.org.au/system/files_force/PB+64+Income+and+wealth+inequality+FINAL.pdf

More to the point the wage crunch in Australia is about to bite. One of the things that tipped a few people, who were paying attention, off about the GFC was the increase in defaults on home loans.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/more-households-struggling-to-pay-off-their-debt/7676664

quote:

Monday finance Monday 1 August 2016 6:51AM (view full episode)

This week begins with most economists expecting that the Reserve Bank will cut the official cash rate again to a new historic low of 1.5 per cent. The chances of a rate cut rose after last week's inflation data, which showed consumer prices were continuing to track lower. But despite the prospect of ever cheaper credit, a new survey says more households are reporting that they are struggling to pay off their debts. RN Breakfast's Business Editor Sheryle Bagwell previews the week ahead in business and finance.

Moreover this is in an environment of constantly falling interest rates. That property bubble is over and deflating everywhere but a few select places outside of Sydney and Melbourne and the whole house of cards is starting to shake. This is just eight years after our generation's equivalent of the Great Depression and all the lessons it should have taught us.

So I once again challenge our house libertarians. Find me a single example of a privatisation or outsourcing that actually saved money*. The current 'liberalising' settings on our economy are about to gently caress normal people savagely and once again private disaster will be bailed out with public money.

-/-

The LNP look likely to take their sooky la la about Herbert to the court of disputed returns because they are just such good sports.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-31/election-2016-labor-wins-herbert-after-recount/7675898

-/-

There was a doco on the falling rates of employment in journalism on future tense yesterday

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/futuretense/the-post-journalistic-world/7658116

I choose my sources reasonably carefully and filter out a bunch of stuff but ultimately the fields I till for information are professional journalists. The world we face after these are gone is a pretty scary one. Even a fourth estate doing a poor job is better than none at all (See above re bullshit detector). Recently there was the NT child torture stuff but it has played out before with so many other issues (Greyhound racing, live cattle exports and oh so many more). The initial reaction is a huge spike and within days the need to actually do something is dissipated in the churning news cycle. "I'm over the outrage, sensible people move on and it's time to think about the struggling <insert offender profession>."

We really do live in a close replica of George Orwell's 1984. :tinfoil:

*T&Cs apply and yes I will quibble minutely over the details.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 01:38

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

I don't know if it's fair to blame income inequality on free trade. It increased at the same time as tariffs were reduced, but seems more likely that cuts to welfare and other government services were responsible for it.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 01:42

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

open24hours posted:

I don't know if it's fair to blame income inequality on free trade. It increased at the same time as tariffs were reduced, but seems more likely that cuts to welfare and other government services were responsible for it.

Did you read the report linked?

Also I only claim correlation not causality. For us to be prospering from free trade there needs to be evidence of prosperity. There is none, QED.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 01:58

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

I looked at the report it but it doesn't seem to mention trade?

We're one of the richest countries in the world, so someone is prospering. Whether that wealth is being properly distributed is separate issue.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 02:01

KennyTheFish: Jan 13, 2004

open24hours posted:

I don't know if it's fair to blame income inequality on free trade. It increased at the same time as tariffs were reduced, but seems more likely that cuts to welfare and other government services were responsible for it.

The reduction in trade barriers, the undermining of social services and the erosion of labour bargaining power all stem from the same core neo-liberal ideas. The increase in income inequality is a goal of the system, not a side effect.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 02:14

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# ? May 22, 2024 05:40

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

open24hours posted:

I looked at the report it but it doesn't seem to mention trade?

We're one of the richest countries in the world, so someone is prospering. Whether that wealth is being properly distributed is separate issue.

That's pure obfuscation. If free trade is meant to improve life for 'us' as a nation then there needs to evidence of it doing so for 'us' as a nation. I've presented the counter argument (decreasing prosperity from admittedly a very good starting point).

The report does talk about policy settings effecting the distribution of wealth. All those jobs in manufacturing sacrificed on the alter of pure liberalised trade? They weren't the ones in the 99 percentile group.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 02:15

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