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Jul 27, 2016 10:48
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Qindarka posted:What's particularly bad about Mulan 2? I actually thought it was a fun watch. I'm not saying I loved it, but there were things about it that I enjoyed.
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Jul 27, 2016 13:45
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Don't know why they did a Jungle Book 2 when it had the far superior sequel Tale Spin
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Jul 27, 2016 13:57
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Qindarka posted:What's particularly bad about Mulan 2? The story, as I recall, is "Mulan and her boyfriend get in a fight because not-Eddie Murphy (mushu? was that his name) decided to make them break up because reasons. Also, 80% of the runtime is dedicated to her three comedy soldier friends trying to gently caress hot babes, who reject their arranged marriages (hooray, good message!) because they realized that they instead want to gently caress the comedy soldiers (boo)"
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Jul 27, 2016 18:42
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Moana sure sounds like an odd name for a princess, I'm sure its a stripper or porn star's already.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:13
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moana_Pozzi
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Jul 28, 2016 01:53
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Though this is the first film to be called by that title: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moana_(1926_film)
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Jul 28, 2016 01:54
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Tenzarin posted:Moana sure sounds like an odd name for a princess, I'm sure its a stripper or porn star's already. That's why the title is changed in Europe. Someone mention Once Upon A Time earlier. It might not be good, but I enjoy the insanity of mixing Disney princesses with folklore and Frankenstein, and one casual mention of the sarlacc. Then there's a kid who is the descendant of Peter Pan, Rumplestiltskin, Prince Charming and Snow White.
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Jul 28, 2016 14:18
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Most of the Disney direct-to-video sequels seem like fever dreams from my childhood. I vaguely remember Pocahontas II ending with Pocahontas destroying the entire English armada after the king orders the extermination of Powhatan tribe. The Little Mermaid sequel involves Ariel building a massive wall around the coast. The streets in the Hunchback sequel are so devoid of life that it looks like a plague swept through Paris.
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Jul 29, 2016 12:57
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It's going to be real interesting what they do with Frozen 2. It's the first sequel produced by the main Disney Animation studios right?
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Jul 29, 2016 23:46
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Paragon8 posted:It's going to be real interesting what they do with Frozen 2. The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000, and Winnie the Pooh (2011)
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Jul 29, 2016 23:50
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000, and Winnie the Pooh (2011) Sorry should have specified Princess sequel!
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Jul 29, 2016 23:55
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QuoProQuid posted:The Little Mermaid sequel involves Ariel building a massive wall around the coast. Did she make the land dwellers pay for it
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Jul 30, 2016 01:13
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Aces High posted:Also I think I posted about this in the main animation thread a long time ago but do not watch Hunchback 2. If you have any love for the original do yourself a favour and stay far away from it. The tv animation size budget takes the beautiful aesthetic from the film and just takes a massive poo poo all over everything. I used to think that movies like Fox and the Hound 2 or the Beauty and the Beast sequels were bad (and they are) but man, I have never watched a movie that has disgusted me as much as Hunchback 2 Despite owning it, I've never watched it for precisely this reason. Among other things, it just does not lend itself to a budget animation approach. Same with Beauty and the Beast. The Beast and Quasimodo both require a really, really skilled animator. Glen Keane and James Baxter could do it; rush-job intern being paid a poverty wage #4382 should not be expected to. It's not even fair. LORD OF BOOTY posted:Pick, I have no idea how you ended up here since your interests seem so wildly at odds with the rest of us, but I love it. You're honestly one of the best posters in this forum, please never stop. I'm strategically like 1/3 gimmick account, but this story is completely true: I came here because I used to post on a science-fiction forum that was just too misogynistic to deal with. Something Awful, even in 2009 when I signed up, was a better place to be a woman who likes animals, Disney movies, volunteering, gardening, and Star Trek: The Next Generation than any of the competing sites. At least on SA you could chew out someone who said that rape should be legal if the woman is on welfare  . Dopefish Lives! posted:Hunchback II is loving dire, but I highly recommend watching Belle's Magical World & Cinderella III for two entirely opposite reasons. Belle's Magical World is so amateurish (everything from animation key frames to new characters to line readings is a complete mess), I've laughed harder at it than I have at movies that are supposed to be funny. Cinderella III, on the other hand, actually builds on the original movie (instead of undermining it like so many of the other DTV films did) and is genuinely funny instead of unintentionally so. I also agree that Bambi II is pretty good, though its soundtrack doesn't quite work. Belle's Magical World is pretty funny, in part also because it's so... fan-fiction-y? In a fun way, like they animated something a 12-year-old would have written in her diary. Speaking of which, here is a recording of one of my friends talking about her obsession with Hercules back when she was 11. There's a few other people in there too, I'm the one who brings up Michael Bolton. (If you think I'm fart-huffingly pretentious, you are in for a foam adventure.) dog days are over posted:I had no idea Belle's Magical World existed and I can't stop loving laughing at this part Awwwwww yeah that's the good poo poo  .Tuxedo Catfish posted:Well I mean, if you gave me a shoestring budget, a Disney IP, and didn't care about the results beyond it featuring merchandisable characters? There are more movies whose point I'd refute than there are that I'd want to repeat. Cinderella III (as mentioned above) is absolutely a refutation or at least a re-examination of Cinderella. Among other things, she is fighting against the magic of the wand, and succeeds. Meanwhile, her sister Anastasia gets an arc about who gets a "prince" and for what reasons. There's a transformation sequence that is really impressively sad, but the movie asks you why you think it's sad. It's not that the movie is so drat deep, but it really defeats expectations. ALFbrot posted:The story, as I recall, is "Mulan and her boyfriend get in a fight because not-Eddie Murphy (mushu? was that his name) decided to make them break up because reasons. Also, 80% of the runtime is dedicated to her three comedy soldier friends trying to gently caress hot babes, who reject their arranged marriages (hooray, good message!) because they realized that they instead want to gently caress the comedy soldiers (boo)" Mushu is the worst kind of shithead and has not grown at all. The three warrior dudes remain superficial morons, but manage to get the "perfect woman" as they described in Mulan 1, only they're also princesses! Wow! So really they don't learn anything either. They are rewarded for having been characters in Mulan 1. QuoProQuid posted:Most of the Disney direct-to-video sequels seem like fever dreams from my childhood. I vaguely remember Pocahontas II ending with Pocahontas destroying the entire English armada after the king orders the extermination of Powhatan tribe. The Little Mermaid sequel involves Ariel building a massive wall around the coast. The streets in the Hunchback sequel are so devoid of life that it looks like a plague swept through Paris. There's a reason they got a reputation for being absolute horse poo poo, most of them are. The Ayshkerbundy posted:The Rescuers Down Under, Fantasia 2000, and Winnie the Pooh (2011) And though these are not Princess movies, I contend that Rescuers Down Under and Winnie the Pooh (2011) are both superior to the originals, and as such Disney sequels are not bad per se, they were usually bad because they were not given serious treatment. However, Princessily, Maleficent's screenplay was by Linda Woolverton, who wrote the screenplay for Beauty and the Beast. Which leads me to believe that Maleficent was probably better on paper than what was ultimately realized on-screen.
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Jul 30, 2016 23:49
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Pick posted:I'm strategically like 1/3 gimmick account, but this story is completely true: I came here because I used to post on a science-fiction forum that was just too misogynistic to deal with. Something Awful, even in 2009 when I signed up, was a better place to be a woman who likes animals, Disney movies, volunteering, gardening, and Star Trek: The Next Generation than any of the competing sites. At least on SA you could chew out someone who said that rape should be legal if the woman is on welfare Oh god, I remember this.
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Jul 30, 2016 23:51
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Pick posted:And though these are not Princess movies, I contend that Rescuers Down Under and Winnie the Pooh (2011) are both superior to the originals, and as such Disney sequels are not bad per se, they were usually bad because they were not given serious treatment. However, Princessily, Maleficent's screenplay was by Linda Woolverton, who wrote the screenplay for Beauty and the Beast. Which leads me to believe that Maleficent was probably better on paper than what was ultimately realized on-screen. These (and the upcoming Frozen and Wreck it Ralph sequels) are the only sequels made directly by Disney instead of DisneyToon. Apparently DisneyToon is going to make another Rescuers sequel.
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Jul 31, 2016 00:23
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Anyway, let's segue into Disney Princesses and Body Image: Most folk assume the Princesses have gotten more "realistic" over time, vis a vis the representation of their bodies, as women have progressively gained ground in Western society. Huge oversimplification (on multiple fronts). There's a lot going into the design of every Princess, and no clear patterns.  Snow White was actually the most realistic for a good while.  Jasmine, for example, is one of the least realistically-proportioned Princesses.  And Ariel? Yikes.  (This one is just showing off her hair as wet, but to be honest I find this hilarious so in it goes!) Of the non-"Princesses" who take the role of "Princesses", we also have Megara.  Now, the excuse is usually that they're heavily stylized. (E.g. Megara was explicitly supposed to look like a Grecian vase.) That said, it's impressed in a very gender-biased way compared to the men.  Hercules here is seriously idealized, but his silhouette is still human, not aye-aye. Not even that "Barbie woman" has ever actually managed a waist like a Disney princess.  And this is a self-destructive amount of cosmetic surgery (and some very impressive cosmetic use, to be fair). I'm not going to go on an anti-plastic-surgery screed, but what's viewed above isn't something achievable. The so-called "ugliest woman in the world", whose body cannot store fat, doesn't look like that.  It takes some creative Photoshopping, which luckily I don't have to do because clickbait exists, to show how ridiculous it is:  Now the obvious retort is that people can differentiate fantasy and reality, but: 1. Can children differentiate these images from reality? 2. Can anyone actually differentiate fantasy from reality as well as we claim? Isn't 99% of advertising selling people on what they know are actually falsehoods? 3. Is it right to present this fantasy ideal, even if people can identify it as a fantasy? Also, is it stylistically necessary? Or do we just expect it and react well to it because we are conditioned by pre-existing media? If we went back and re-animated all these films and made the Princesses more realistically proportioned, would children who had never seen the original versions like the new versions less? (We'll assume Bratz Babies doesn't exist in this universe either.) Most women with eating disorders discuss or mention specific instances that set them off, for example Twiggy's idol status in the late 60s. Parents, what's your take? Pick fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 00:24
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:These (and the upcoming Frozen and Wreck it Ralph sequels) are the only sequels made directly by Disney instead of DisneyToon. Right, that's sort of what I meant? They're Disney properties, and when they're given serious treatment (that is, went to WDAS) they were good (and even Fantasia 2000 isn't bad); when they went to DisneyToon, they were not.
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Jul 31, 2016 00:25
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I like the 2 Aladdin sequals.
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Jul 31, 2016 03:47
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Why is no one mentioning the fox and the hound direct to video sequel when talking about disney going literally insane for sequels?? "The film opens with Tod and Copper chasing a cricket together. They see a line of trucks bringing the county fair to town, and Copper is mesmerized by the sound of dogs singing together in an old school bus with "The Singin' Strays" painted on the side. The pair are eager to go see the fair, but when Copper's clumsy tracking skills disappoint his master Amos Slade yet again, the pup is tied up in the yard while Slade and Chief go to the fair without him. Tod arrives and pulls Copper's collar off, and the pair head to the fair. Tod and Copper get to meet The Singin' Strays. The band has five members: Dixie, Cash, Granny Rose, and twin brothers Waylon and Floyd. It is important that they perform well because a talent scout from the Grand Ole Opry will be at the fair. Cash and Dixie get into an argument, and Dixie walks off before their performance, forcing them to go on stage without her. During the show, Copper sings along, and Cash invites the pup up on stage to sing with them. The musical number is a success. Cash invites Copper to join the band, which he does after Tod lies that Copper is a stray. Copper spends the entire day with Cash, forgetting his promise to watch fireworks with Tod. Dixie finds Tod and sympathizes with his feelings of abandonment. During their conversation, Tod lets it slip that Copper is not a stray. Dixie then hatches a plan to get Copper kicked out of the band. Tod sneaks into Chief's barrel, luring him and Slade to the fair in a wild chase. The chase leads to widespread mayhem in the fair, and the Singin' Strays' performance is sabotaged right in front of the talent scout Mr. Bickerstaff. Copper is fired from the band and returns home with Slade. Granny Rose and the rest of the members of Cash's band feel quite sorry for Copper about this and therefore the band breaks up. Tod tries to apologize to Copper, but Copper is angry at the fox for ruining everything. Tod is brought home by his owner, Widow Tweed. Along the way, Tweed narrowly misses being hit by the talent scout's car, and Bickerstaff's hat flies off and lands on Tod. The following day, Tod and Copper admit their mistakes and are friends again. Hoping to amend for his doings, Tod gives Bickerstaff's hat to Copper, who uses it to track down the talent scout at a local diner. Tod tricks Cash and Dixie into thinking the other is in trouble, and the entire band end up meeting up at the diner. Copper convinces the band the importance of harmony, and The Singin' Strays howl a reprise of their song We're in Harmony, attracting the attention of the talent scout and reuniting the band. Impressed with the band, he arranges for the dogs to perform at the Grand Ole Opry. The film ends with Copper choosing to leave the band and play with Tod again."
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Jul 31, 2016 04:29
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sbaldrick posted:I like the 2 Aladdin sequals. Did you watch the series? This is one of people's favorite episodes, where Ron Perlman is a plant man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSGqp0WMss
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Jul 31, 2016 18:01
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On the topic of stylization of the human form, I actually support it as I see one of the primary benefits of animation being the ability to free oneself from the tethers of practicality. I won't deny ladies are typically stylized in the same manner, which I'd argue is not a problem if stylization in and of itself (and not to where the solution should be a more realistic design), but rather a limitation in that the design is expected to adhere to only the ideal feminine form. In other words, the problem is the stylization of women is even more restrictive than drawing realistic women, which defeats the purpose of stylization. The opportunity is being fettered when it should be encouraged.
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Jul 31, 2016 19:21
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I didn't actually notice how thin Disney Princesses tended to be until I was watching Beauty and the Beast one night about 10 years ago and when Belle first comes into full view I was like "wait...her waist is almost thinner than her arms, how the gently caress is that possible?" and then I started noticing it in the other princesses too. Up until that point it just never occurred to me that a lot of the princesses have unrealistically thin waists, but I could always immediately recognize them because of their distinct designs.
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Jul 31, 2016 19:36
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Well, if they're not fuckable then they can't be in the movie, can they?
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Jul 31, 2016 21:04
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Das Boo posted:On the topic of stylization of the human form, I actually support it as I see one of the primary benefits of animation being the ability to free oneself from the tethers of practicality. I won't deny ladies are typically stylized in the same manner, which I'd argue is not a problem if stylization in and of itself (and not to where the solution should be a more realistic design), but rather a limitation in that the design is expected to adhere to only the ideal feminine form. In other words, the problem is the stylization of women is even more restrictive than drawing realistic women, which defeats the purpose of stylization. The opportunity is being fettered when it should be encouraged. There's a funny point in Eiichiro Oda's manga One Piece where you can almost see the point where, 500 chapters in, he realises that he can draw women just as stylised as men and they don't have to always be "pretty", and it's the point where he writes a story that takes place on an island populated only by women and realises he's gotta make them all look different. Like, it's been a while since I read it but I remember feeling like a fairly distinct break from his initial approach to character design where he does the very standard, lovely practice of introducing a group of five or six characters where you've got like, skinny guy and big guy and small guy and The Girl. After he's written that lady island story he becomes a lot more comfortable just throwing in women of all shapes and sizes whenever he needs a new character or five, and he can draw women who aren't conventionally beautiful without giving them a character trait that they're "the ugly one", or something like that.
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Jul 31, 2016 21:05
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You know what's loving shocking? All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 was released in theaters. EDIT: Sorry, forgot I wasn't in the Animation thread.
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Jul 31, 2016 21:05
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Red Bones posted:There's a funny point in Eiichiro Oda's manga One Piece where you can almost see the point where, 500 chapters in, he realises that he can draw women just as stylised as men and they don't have to always be "pretty", and it's the point where he writes a story that takes place on an island populated only by women and realises he's gotta make them all look different. on the other hand, evolution_of_nami.gif
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Jul 31, 2016 22:31
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sbaldrick posted:I like the 2 Aladdin sequals.
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Aug 1, 2016 02:34
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:on the other hand, evolution_of_nami.gif The duality of man.
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Aug 1, 2016 02:39
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Pick posted:Did you watch the series? 1. Ron Perlman's fuckin' VOICE, man 2. Aladdin comes off as a stupid idiot rear end in a top hat in this episode I used to watch the cartoon but I remember it being really weird, seem to remember a whole lot of episodes where people turned into different things.
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Aug 1, 2016 03:23
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[quote="dog days are over" post=""462712"] Aladdin comes off as a stupid idiot rear end in a top hat in this episode [/quote] That's most episodes, actually. I rewatched sweveral episodes recently with my sister as part of an attempt to reexamine our childhood media, and a real common theme is Aladdin's assumption that he's the hero backfiring terribly. It's frankly astonishing how many episodes revolve around Aladdin learning to not be a jackass. In the cartoon show, Jasmine is far more of an actual hero. She's argyably the character in the show with the most agency, alongside Iago. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Aug 1, 2016 03:35
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I remember literally crying when I saw the episode of aladdin where he becomes a ghost and goes to spooky halloween hell ghost world. Like yeah, he stops being a ghost at the end, but at best he has another 50 years and he will be back to that lovely afterlife. That was like, some sort of existential breakdown of my childhood.
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Aug 1, 2016 03:55
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I remember literally crying when I saw the episode of aladdin where he becomes a ghost and goes to spooky halloween hell ghost world. Yeah, if I had to spend eternity in a Tim Burton movie I'd be in an existential crisis too.
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Aug 1, 2016 04:43
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Brainiac Five posted:Yeah, if I had to spend eternity in a Tim Burton movie I'd be in an existential crisis too. Like I wasn't even scared id go there. I literally was crying Aladdin was condemned to invisible skeleton spook hell for eternity.
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Aug 1, 2016 04:57
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Pick posted:Anyway, let's segue into Disney Princesses and Body Image: I find it darkly amusing how people praised Lilo & Stitch for having women who weren't Barbie dolls and then it turns out that it's just because Chris Sanders has a massive boner for brown girls with huge hips.
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Aug 1, 2016 05:12
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Schwarzwald posted:That's most episodes, actually. I rewatched sweveral episodes recently with my sister as part of an attempt to reexamine our childhood media, and a real common theme is Aladdin's assumption that he's the hero backfiring terribly. that sounds kind of awesome actually
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Aug 1, 2016 05:20
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:that sounds kind of awesome actually There are some pretty cool episodes of the show actually, however the show is mediocre on the whole (partly as a result of there just being so many episodes). You very quickly catch on tha this episode is a "Aladdin is a jackass" episode or that episode is a "Jasmine is cool" episode, or a "side character X matters" episode. The Ron Perlman plantman episode is probably the best individual episode. Anything with Mozenrath or Mechanicalese has even odds of being good two.
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Aug 1, 2016 05:35
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About all I remember about the Aladdin television show is this entitled prince calling over a servant to complain with, and I quote, "There's a speck in the royal milk!"
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Aug 1, 2016 20:00
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dog days are over posted:1. Ron Perlman's fuckin' VOICE, man Yeah, that was definitely a motif. The most popular being probably Eye of the Beholder, where Jasmine turns into a naga.
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Aug 2, 2016 03:58
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I remember that single episode because it was commonly referenced for starting that weird fetish trend.
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