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LeJackal posted:Stick to what they have claimed and nail them to the wall with it. Don't give them additional rhetorical room to maneuver. I disagree with you all the time, but this here is a great point. If you're in an argument and they make a terrible point, poke your nail into the hole and hammer it home. Don't let them gish gallop away. Say stuff like "Hey, we can address that point, I want to talk about it, but let's get back to what you said here..."
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I disagree with you all the time, but this here is a great point. If you're in an argument and they make a terrible point, poke your nail into the hole and hammer it home. Don't let them gish gallop away. Say stuff like "Hey, we can address that point, I want to talk about it, but let's get back to what you said here..." Don't ever agree with LeJackal, even if you agree with him
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 07:36 |
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While I'm honored by the LeJackal reply, I thought I made it clear that all I was doing was taking a quotation and swapping out one Amendment for another. Do you think he realizes I was not making any good-faith attempt to address the 2nd Amendment and was still just talking to Jurgen about his voter ID debate? I guess we'll never know.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 07:41 |
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I'm just gonna assume the sentence is: Mr. Khan, I grieve for the loss of your son, but I'm a war criminal.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 09:53 |
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Jurgan posted:The only thing that really gets me mad is how he puts "poor" in sarcasm quotes. Anyway, here's the conclusion of the discussion: I couldn't resist: OT posted:Oy talk about redirection. The argument wasn't about "laws" it was specifically about the validity of voter ID laws. But you know, misdirection is exactly the type of tactic liberals like to use. But let me say this, I am for protecting the integrity of the voting process, which you obviously are not for. You decry my evidence as sketchy and my assertions as mythical based on your limited, biased investigations and preconceived notions. I decry your "tons" of evidence as fluff seeking to diminish legitimate concerns. Jurgan posted:There's so much irony here it's hard to fathom. You accuse me of using biased sources but link to Powerline blog, a conservative blog whose head writer is promoting Dinesh D'Souza's racist movie. You admit that some people will be denied the vote but brush it off because they're old people or homeless people (remember, you said "short of homelessness" everyone can afford ID), and then say I don't care about protecting the voting process. Yes, I understand the theory of why voter fraud is bad; I'm not that stupid. I understand why bears roaming the streets is bad, but unless it's actually happen I wouldn't want the city to spend money on a Bear Patrol.
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Y'all ready to get mad? Because it's time to get mad.
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Dr. Faustus posted:I guess we'll never know. You were doing a bad job of it, was my point.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 14:16 |
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You very clearly weren't joking, so I don't quite understand why you're pretending you were.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 14:25 |
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FIND OUT how to get on MULTIPLE WATCH LISTS with just one click!!!! TAKE THE POLL!
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Who What Now posted:You very clearly weren't joking, so I don't quite understand why you're pretending you were. He's obligated to post whenever someone says 'gun' three times.
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Defenestration posted:
I mean, it isn't like even legal citizens working bare minimum wage jobs are on welfare too or anything! quote:
Wait I thought EPORW still hated Trump...or am I confusing them with LL101?
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 15:00 |
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"Curt" This was shared by the same aunt who last week posted the Snopes article debunking that Trump "If I run it'd be as a Republican because they dumb as hell" meme because she was sick of misinformation being spread.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 15:03 |
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Haha yes if there's one candidate Kurt Cobain would support if he was alive today it'd be Donald Trump what the gently caress hahaha.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 15:09 |
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"I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a business tycoon" meaning he would be surprised if it was.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 15:12 |
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Twelve by Pies posted:
You're thinking of LL101. EPORW has been consistently trump from the beginning
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 15:22 |
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"If things don't change in this country we'll soon be dealing with a lot of illegal immigration and radical Islamic terrorism and it will take an heroic pioneer outsider, someone like Donald Trump, to truly Make America Great Again" - Chris Farley's last words, 1997
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 15:25 |
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Recently, firefighters in Raleigh, NC protested after not receiving the raise they requested. As the article indicates, many were working 56 hour weeks for 11.22 an hour, and some were quitting to find better-paying work. Surely even the most far-right individuals recognize that professional fire protection is an essential function of government? When You Go So Far Right You Go Left.jpg EDIT: Maybe more like When You Go So Far Right You Create An Interior Ministry.jpg William Bear fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS ARE HEROES WHO SACRIFICE THEMSELVES EVERY DAY "Cool could you pay us more money then?" loving GOVERNMENT LEECHES WHY DON'T YOU BUMS GET REAL JOBS INSTEAD OF BEING PARASITES LIVING ON THE TAXPAYERS' DIME
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Twelve by Pies posted:FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS ARE HEROES WHO SACRIFICE THEMSELVES EVERY DAY The only ones that qualify as heroes are the ones who die, or bravely shoot down black people and see that as reward enough.
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Hobo Clown posted:
wow i havent seen this gag in like, ten years wayyyyy back in the old old old SA days, it was a common joke to attribute any and all quotes to cobain like "i just ate a cheeseburger" -kurt cobain makes me think the person who made this macro is trolling
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 16:11 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I'm just gonna assume the sentence is: ALLEN WEST: Skip I want to ADDRESS this issue. [BAYLESS nods] You KNOW I am sensitive to this man's dead son BAYLESS: Absolutely ALLEN WEST: BUT!
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 16:13 |
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Who What Now posted:You very clearly weren't joking, so I don't quite understand why you're pretending you were. Then he started off his "non-rebuttal" by telling me "I'm bad at it" after I'd just said so. I wonder why? I guess we'll never know. For my part, I do apologize for summoning him. I thought it was obvious that I was not advancing any argument except against Jurgan's Voter ID-loving acquaintance. Speaking of which, Jurgan, I'm sorry your debate ended the way it did. That's because anecdotally: I had two friends who stopped talking to me after Obama's re-election and it was basically over Benghazi and their denial of any achievement by POTUS' administration in his first term. Their gullibility and naked eagerness to hate made them so toxic it seemed best for me to let them go. It took about two-and-a-half years for them to reach out to me and bury the hatchet (we'd been long-time friends and I know now we missed each other). In order to keep peace, we simply put a firewall up around politics. The few times we got close, it was clear that the information and assumptions they live by today are as bad or worse than they were in 2012 (Black Lives Matter, Socialism, CLINTON, Benghazi, etc.) I'm sad, but I won't try to change their minds. On the other hand, I have that guy from work who I could consider a friend, even though he's 100% full-on fundie pro-life Xtian End-of-times "I'm a bigot but it's ok Christ forgives me and also the Bible condones slavery slaves obey your masters I'm smarter than you because I have a degree (from a Bible College) " person; and we can get as vicious as we like in debating politics or morality and neither of us takes it personally. I think it's ironic, but I guess you don't feel hurt or let down by a friend when you don't expect any better of them. And just as this thread is about, all three of them share the trait of getting their talking points mostly from memes forwarded around e-mail and Facebook. They live in echo-chambers. The "bubble" Bill Maher talks about. It's real.
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Twelve by Pies posted:FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS ARE HEROES WHO SACRIFICE THEMSELVES EVERY DAY The only real ethos to right wing conservatism is being a greedy poo poo who wants to not pay for anything. Abortion, religious fundamentalism, gay rights, terrorism, whatever. MAH TAXAS tops all those things.
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Radish posted:The only real ethos to right wing conservatism is being a greedy poo poo who wants to not pay for anything. Abortion, religious fundamentalism, gay rights, terrorism, whatever. MAH TAXAS tops all those things. I'd say that their pearl clutching is as bad or worse. If it's not them accusing 'the blacks' of making racism worse, it's marginalizing every non-white population with cries of 'You're not X, you're (White) American!'
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I Before E posted:ALLEN WEST: Skip I want to ADDRESS this issue. this is very good
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Hm a guy that says thug to describe black people a lot liked a thing let's see what the article is hahahaha
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Rick_Hunter posted:I'd say that their pearl clutching is as bad or worse. If it's not them accusing 'the blacks' of making racism worse, it's marginalizing every non-white population with cries of 'You're not X, you're (White) American!' For people who really dislike race politics, far-right conservatives really like to chalk the racial boundaries. It's behavior like this that forces me to add the "BUT IM SOCIALLY LIBERAL" to any mention of my conservative leaning. unpleasantly turgid fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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moist turtleneck posted:Hm a guy that says thug to describe black people a lot liked a thing Interestingly, the same is true of Christian soldiers.
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FoxStrats posted:For people who really dislike race politics, far-right conservatives really like to chalk the racial boundaries. In a way, yes, they like to define all the differences between races but when it comes to nationalism they like to use the umbrella term 'American' and still sneer that non-whites don't conform to their idea of what's American. American being white of course.
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Rick_Hunter posted:In a way, yes, they like to define all the differences between races but when it comes to nationalism they like to use the umbrella term 'American' and still sneer that non-whites don't conform to their idea of what's American. American being white of course. "I'm sorry, but if you don't like my condescending demeanor towards them coloreds, then you aren't a real American." "I'm sorry, but if you don't pick cotton for America's textile industry, then you must hate America and, thus, aren't an American." "tbqh, you just aren't American, Jamal or Mohammad or whatever your name is. #sorrynotsorry"
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That Khan guy is no angel...
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Ron Jeremy posted:
Maybe because he knows how to best help people from that community. Nope, it's because he knows that it's the worst for America and so he does it on purpose. All day, he just makes Muslims appear.
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the_steve posted:The only ones that qualify as heroes are the ones who die, or bravely shoot down black people and see that as reward enough. You either die a hero or live long enough to be referred to as a welfare queen on social media
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Fulchrum posted:So the best case scenario for these people is that nothing they do matters. That they can proudly say "I was not a part of history". No; increasing the number of people voting for a third party at least has the potential to increase the perceived influence of that party (and as a result potentially the funding, etc as well) proportionally more than a vote for either of the two major parties. So if you live in a non-swing state and your goal is to make your specific vote have a bigger impact - ignoring whether that impact is actually good - voting third party might actually do more than voting D or R (though both are ultimately pretty insignificant). And to reiterate, I say this as someone who is not voting third party. It's not like who they vote for (if they vote at all) makes them any less a "part of history." It may not be the part of a history you agree with, but it's absurd to claim that it's somehow a non-action. If by "part of history" you're referring to getting a woman elected, then that also isn't true if you live in a non-swing red state. Regardless, my whole point is that people who argue "if you don't vote Democrat you're going to help Trump win!" are full of poo poo most of the time. That sentiment is only true for a minority of the population, but, ironically, it's usually made with a condescending tone towards the other person for not being pragmatic. If you think the Democratic candidate is better, by all means feel free to explain why. But if you're going to talk down to others you better by damned sure you're not saying something that's just flat-out wrong. (By the way this is the exact sort of ironic condescension I was talking about.)
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Ytlaya posted:No; increasing the number of people voting for a third party at least has the potential to increase the perceived influence of that party (and as a result potentially the funding, etc as well) proportionally more than a vote for either of the two major parties. So if you live in a non-swing state and your goal is to make your specific vote have a bigger impact - ignoring whether that impact is actually good - voting third party might actually do more than voting D or R (though both are ultimately pretty insignificant). And to reiterate, I say this as someone who is not voting third party. That is not even close to how parties react to losses, by looking at who did worse than they did and saying "WE need to be more like them". The one time protest votes had an impact was 2000. In the aftermath of that, how many of the green parties platforms did the Democrats adopt? Did either party adopt? What Democrats do is, they try to go in the direction that wins. If the party with the most progressive platform in a major parties history wins, then that shows progressivism is strong and they should keep going with that. If it wins by less, they should hedge their bets and go half speed. If it loses, start going more conservative. Republicans, just react to everything by doubling down. Win, loss, tie, alien conquests, always go further right. The only change a protest leftist vote can possibly have is against the voters interests. No positive impact is possible. And how exactly does being outnumbered in a red state mean they didn't support Hillary Clinton. Involvement is not defined by success. The veterans of wars America lost are still veterans.
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 23:53 |
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Ron Jeremy posted:
So how many of these things have an bearing in this reality and not some alternate one reached through a gaping maw of pure hate?
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# ? Aug 1, 2016 23:55 |
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Sorry if you felt like you were missing racism and gun boners in your life, it was a busy weekend NOT A RACIST calling the black first lady bigfoot? that's racist Obama on a couch? What a piece of poo poo! I'm not racist, he's just poo poo muslim AND illegal alien fantasizing about beating up the president and shopping him with his teeth knocked out? oh yeah, you're a real patriot Isn't isn't American, hates Americans. That's racist food stamps whoa two brown skinned people took a picture with a celebrity. Check and mate, liberals obama's pockets shoot your way to freedom! shoot every problem until everything is utopia Jenner pie chart with subtle mention of MY FAVORITE. ("left the toilet seat up for Michelle" = Michelle is a man) aka "all mosques" bored now Waaaaaaaar Criminal Allen West! considering there are thousands and thousands of gun deaths in this country every year, I doubt this one guy is the entire problem gun control freedom isn't free hit like if you MS paint ] but you sure do talk about how you'd like to try secret service protection for kindergarteners hm that looks like an interracial child. ok so you DO admit that a gun is to intimidate people into doing what you want, and to take away their freedoms chris kyle still double tappin it six feet under ugh doesn't even scan Free to practice your religion? Nope, closed the mosque. Free to protest in the street? nope, all lives matter ahole run you down in their car. Free to choose an abortion? Nope, government forces you to bring even a brain damaged fetus to term. etc etc (Basically what EPORWs want to be free to do is shoot guns at people on their property and call black people the n word) In conclusion: Accurate
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Defenestration posted:
This one has its own Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/dontray-mills/ quote:According to the meme, Mills' plea bargain was negotiated by the Department of Justice (or in some iterations, the Obama administration or President Obama himself). However, the choice of giving Mills probation rather than jail time was not the result of instructions from the Justice Department (or higher) but rather the personal discretion of Judge Rudolph Randa (who was appointed as a federal district judge by President George H.W. Bush and has a history of making controversial decisions), based on his view of Mills' contrition and likelihood of re-offending:
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[ [/quote] I always wonder why these kinds of macros only use blue collar symbols, like those kinds of work shoes or a hard hat. We certainly do need trade workers in this country, and while Mike Rowe is a libertarian douche, his heart is in the right place in raising awareness for trade work, but it's funny how you never see these macros use other symbols of work, like a tie or a laptop with indeed.com on it.
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