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Law Cheetah posted:dio was originally supposed to have ALL THE STAND POWERS or something but then araki changed his mind about it, but not before he showed dio using hermit purple that one time the other hermit purple was johnathan's stand
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Ruggington posted:the other hermit purple was johnathan's stand That's what it was retconned to, yes.
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The traitor is Aizen
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Can the traitor be a teacher though? They all knew about the Rescue Op/Nomu factory attack, which took the VA completely by surprise.RatHat posted:That's what it was retconned to, yes. Huh, recently watched Stardust Crusaders and my takeaway was that ZA WARLDO's deal was copying the stands of the Joestar family.
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JD posted:Uraraka is cuter 
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the thing i hope most fervently comes of all this is that Horikoshi takes note of these dumb theories and drops even more misleading not-in-the-actual-comic hints like the dual face towards Kaminari for people to go apeshit about, and then the real traitor will be an actual surprise (to no one but the internet crazies)
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HenryEx posted:the thing i hope most fervently comes of all this is that Horikoshi takes note of these dumb theories and drops even more misleading not-in-the-actual-comic hints like the dual face towards Kaminari for people to go apeshit about, and then the real traitor will be an actual surprise Nah, attack on titan did it really well and that had tons of hints, busting out surprises with no hints sucks Like even then someone called the reveal in aot two years before it happened and connected all the dots and it was still a good reveal, so 4chans hivemind having a theory like this and it coming true wouldn't be terrible
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Cryophage posted:Can the traitor be a teacher though? They all knew about the Rescue Op/Nomu factory attack, which took the VA completely by surprise. It seems like that might have been the intention at one point since The World and Star Platinum are so similar, but when he uses the Hermit Purple-like stand early on he doesn't actually have The World yet. Captain Invictus posted:Nah, attack on titan did it really well and that had tons of hints, busting out surprises with no hints sucks The attack on titan one is really well done, re-reading it afterward you can see it all tie together.
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There's also the possibility that the traitor has their own agenda and chooses what info to leak to the VA.
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The only author I know that took note of fan theories to try and surprise even the most obsessive members of the audience was Andrew Hussie of Homestuck fame and it, uh, let's say it didn't go very well. Conspiracy theories being right is fine. The way the twists happen is a lot more important than the twists themselves.
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GimmickMan posted:The only author I know that took note of fan theories to try and surprise even the most obsessive members of the audience was Andrew Hussie of Homestuck fame and it, uh, let's say it didn't go very well. Homestuck was an masterpiece and its game adaptation was a resounding international success.
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GimmickMan posted:The only author I know that took note of fan theories to try and surprise even the most obsessive members of the audience was Andrew Hussie of Homestuck fame and it, uh, let's say it didn't go very well. Also foreshadowing is a cool and good thing for a writer to do properly. A good twist/reveal being figured out/spoiled doesn't ruin a story, it just lets you see how the writer is setting thing sup and leaving little clues here and there. If knowing a twist renders a whole story boring/pointless then the story was kind of leaning on a twist instead of writing a decent narrative.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Also foreshadowing is a cool and good thing for a writer to do properly. A good twist/reveal being figured out/spoiled doesn't ruin a story, it just lets you see how the writer is setting thing sup and leaving little clues here and there. I think one of the writers of Steven Universe said that a good sign that you did a good job is that you make the audience go "I got it!" rather than "You got me!"
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Mystery writers Knox and Chandler said things along the lines of even if the reader didn't figure out the mystery before the reveal, they could go back and re-read the tale and notice that the clues were there from the start.
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Leaving enough foreshadowing to let smart and attentive readers figure out a twist or a mystery ahead of time is the hallmark of good writing. Arbitrarily ignoring your own foreshadowing to change a twist because someone figured it out by being attentive is the sure sign of a bad writer. Why hello there ghost of Robert Jordan
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Also foreshadowing is a cool and good thing for a writer to do properly. A good twist/reveal being figured out/spoiled doesn't ruin a story, it just lets you see how the writer is setting thing sup and leaving little clues here and there. Yep, it's so dumb when an author very clearly changes stuff at the last minute just because some fans figured "the twist" out.
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Yeah if you say something like 'there's a traitor', there's an assumption that you want your readers to ponder who it is. You could avoid doing any foreshadowing if you want, but that's super iffy, the idea of presenting something as a 'traitor' or some other mystery kind of usually comes with an assumption that you can at least make a guess on who or what it is. The same way secret identities are a mystery that people try to make up. If it turns out it's some random person whose never been seen or heard from before to the point they need like extra chapters or episodes just to explain exactly who this person is, it's not actually any better then someone figuring out who it is and feeling the success and catharsis of being correct.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Leaving enough foreshadowing to let smart and attentive readers figure out a twist or a mystery ahead of time is the hallmark of good writing. Arbitrarily ignoring your own foreshadowing to change a twist because someone figured it out by being attentive is the sure sign of a bad writer. Which particular twist are you referring to?
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Rohan Kishibe posted:Which particular twist are you referring to? Actually it's been so long I forgot, but I think it involved a bunch of inconsistencies with Mazrim Taim, and besides how he was an evil git, there was how he seemed to have knowledge on stuff like Aiel and Aes Sedai that far predated the modern perception of them. So there was a running theory guessed he was one of the ancient evil miniboss squad. And then Robert Jordan said no he wasn't. Then he became one anyway. I'm not going to put that in spoiler tags gently caress wheel of time
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Actually it's been so long I forgot, but I think it involved a bunch of inconsistencies with Mazrim Taim, and besides how he was an evil git, there was how he seemed to have knowledge on stuff like Aiel and Aes Sedai that far predated the modern perception of them. So there was a running theory guessed he was one of the ancient evil miniboss squad. The actual foreshadowing was for "yo, this guy is going to betray the good guys", which he did. Fans convinced themselves that Taimandred was canon and when Robert Jordan went "wait what no" they decided he'd changed it to spite them. They decided that for a couple of fan theories that turned out to be false, actually.
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I read Wheel of Time as a kid, and even back then I remember feeling uncomfortable about how Jordan wrote female characters. More so even than George 'rape scene' Martin's stuff which I got to about a year later. I thankfully wisened up and stopped reading both those series eventually, though I clearly had and still have a fetish for endless  which explains why I am reading shounen serialized in JUMP.
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Nihilarian posted:The theory was that Taim was actually Demandred in disguise. He wasn't, and actually got recruited by Demandred to the League of Evil, cuz he was an evil git. Oh. Well considering how long the series was unnecessarily dragged out, and how uncomfortable it was reading WoT's treatment of female characters, blaming that fan-theory misfire on Jordan being a bad writer who spites his readers turned out to be a pretty easy pill to get people to swallow.
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WoT's treatment of gender as a whole is super hosed. The endings of most of the books in the series are metal as hell though, and were eventually the only things that kept me reading the series until even that dried up.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:WoT's treatment of gender as a whole is super hosed.
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this is a really dumb derail. *tugs braid, straightens skirt*
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Paracelsus posted:Wasn't that part of the point? It was presenting its societies as rather broken when it came to the relationship between men and women. Kind of? Genders are excruciatingly distinct. And to my recollection those distinctions are inexplicably pretty constant across all the cultures. With things that don't even have to do with the One Power. Like, I don't really remember a lot at this point but one thing that stands out to me is that pretty much invariably, men are punished with pain and women are punished with humiliation. It's not like that's some kind of sin but it's one of the few details that really stand out to me as...odd. And the fact that so much of the conflict is fueled by kind of absurd dramatic irony of people just..absolutely refusing to communicate got really, really old. Disclaimer: my opinions on WoT are very susceptible to hyperbole since I haven't read the books in at least a decade.
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Jordan had his issues but he really did try, and I think he did a much better job of it than his contemporaries, of whom George 'rape scene' Martin is not even the worst. For all the problems WoT had, the books ended up with more female characters than male, and they could occupy nearly any role - matriarch, villain, soldier, an entire tower full of exclusively female wizards. For the time it was released, it was actually fairly progressive. Mostly though, I find fans that cry "spite!" when their theories turn out to be bogus to be utterly ridiculous. Incidentally, WoT is getting a TV show. Maybe it'll improve on the sketchy bits?
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Now that we had more Mei I crave more Monoma being needlessly antagonistic towards class A.
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Nihilarian posted:Incidentally, WoT is getting a TV show. Maybe it'll improve on the sketchy bits? I really hope not, if only because they'll probably make everything worse. T.G. Xarbala posted:Leaving enough foreshadowing to let smart and attentive readers figure out a twist or a mystery ahead of time is the hallmark of good writing. Arbitrarily ignoring your own foreshadowing to change a twist because someone figured it out by being attentive is the sure sign of a bad writer. See also: Ending of Mass Effect 3
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gently caress, see the entire discarded Dark Energy storyline they laid down the groundwork for in ME2!
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SwissArmyDruid posted:gently caress, see the entire discarded Dark Energy storyline they laid down the groundwork for in ME2! Or nearly everything in ME1 that got more specific than Reapers, Geth, or the Genophage.
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Captain Invictus posted:busting out surprises with no hints sucks Its a good thing i didn't suggest this then, actually i did the opposite
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Is...is this still the MHA thread? I have no loving idea what anyone is talking about. I was talking to a friend who just finished catching up with the series, and we both lamented that AFO and All-Might didn't get to go all out in their fight because they were both still hosed up from the fight six years ago. Then I remembered that usually the mentor characters in these types of stories always get nerfed or weakened before they ever get to show their full strength. I hope we get a flashback to the original fight that left All-Might hosed up, because I'm sure it was amazing.
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All For One must have been terrifying in his prime.
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HenryEx posted:Its a good thing i didn't suggest this then, actually i did the opposite What will you do if it's actually kaminari???
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Kanos posted:All For One must have been terrifying in his prime. The whole "I remember you coming at me with your guts hanging out... I still see it in my dreams sometimes." Quote was pretty chilling honestly.
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I'm still dying over the fact that Mineta's super special awesome attack is "Yo, literally some XXXL anal beads". 
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Captain Invictus posted:What will you do if it's actually kaminari??? Don't know what you're even going for, here. Also, just read the new chapter. Wow, Tokoyami is tiny. How old are they supposed to be again? I'm hoping for him that he's still in his growth phase.  But... what's an Excator Hero
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HenryEx posted:Uh, nothing? Why would i do anything? They are mix of 15 and 16 year olds.
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