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tarlibone posted:... Is this true? there are a lot of countries that do provide free (at the point of use) healthcare and education. Why is it not possible in America?
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It's true if we continue to refuse to cut military spending. How do you think that would go?
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Squall posted:My presidential vote doesn't matter, so it's going third party. In Australia we have a preferential voting system so when you get the voting card you number the candidates in the order of your preference and in the case where there's not a clear majority winner then the losingest candidate gets eliminated and all the #1 votes they got are discounted and all the #2 votes on those voting cards get counted, and so on until someone gets a clear majority. That way you can make a protest vote for someone who won't win but your vote won't be wasted as long as you listed your preferences properly. First-past-the-post voting loving sucks and is stupid 
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I don't know why I got so worked up earlier. It just bugs me that younger people barely vote because their "vote doesn't count". If you loving voted in huge blocks the parties would start paying attention and pivoting for your votes. That is actually how people win elections after all. Votes, and poo poo.
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Aug 2, 2016 10:56
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Squall posted:My presidential vote doesn't matter, so it's going third party. Hillary, just like Trump, is a pathological liar that doesn't deserve my vote. I can understand voting for her in a state where you vote might actually matter at all to strategically vote against the "greater evil" in Trump, though. None of this is true, do you have any evidence or is 25 years of Hillary bashing from the right make you think she is a pathological liar "just like Trump" can you even name something she has actually lied about?
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Aug 2, 2016 13:19
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tarlibone posted:Well, here's the thing about Bernie's whole... shtick, I guess. Here's the thing. If you're not emotionally invested in Bernie, then here is what you think about when considering his role in the campaign: I will admit that I agree with a fair bit of this, but you did lose me during the writeup after point 5. Bernie's point was to bring social democratic principles more into the mainstream of American politics and he succeeded ten fold. He also isn't finished as now he is focusing on downticket campaigns as lately on his interviews he is practically screaming "vote for downticket candidate who support my platform." While I agree that there was A LOT the should have been corrected during his run, he still did make a great effort, and that to many Democrats still stuck with a traditional mindset, his effects on the party won't be apparent until years down the road. Also the "Bernie or Bust" type people always appear during a competitive race with the losing candidates. Remember PUMAs?
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Aug 2, 2016 13:30
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socialsecurity posted:None of this is true, do you have any evidence or is 25 years of Hillary bashing from the right make you think she is a pathological liar "just like Trump" can you even name something she has actually lied about? Every interview she gave about her email server comes to mind.
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Vodos posted:Agreed on the Congress part, but how can you say that the US can't afford things that are completely normal in the majority of Western democracies? We pay somewhat more taxes in Europe but at least we don't go bankrupt from medical emergencies or tens of thousands into debt for an education. In the US you're paying more "taxes" than us Europeans, you just don't call them taxes because you're paying the private sector for the services covered by our "high" taxes. Plus a huge chunk of your actual taxes go directly into the pockets of the private sector. Heisenberg1276 posted:Is this true? there are a lot of countries that do provide free (at the point of use) healthcare and education. Why is it not possible in America? Let me clarify this bit of my list. Bernie put forth a plan and said it'd work. His plan would work if he raised $33 trillion (with a T) over 10 years. But, his plan raises only $15 trillion over that period of time. To make the math work, he'd have to do some pretty gnarly things, like put more tax burden on the middle class. There's a good summary in the Washington Post that cites two fairly reputable sources. Also, he'd have trouble doing all of this while simultaneously forcing all medical providers in the nation to accept Medicare assignment of benefits, which can often be a pittance compared to how much people pay now, including insurance companies' negotiated discounts. This would lead to massive job losses in the healthcare industry, even more massive losses to the healthcare insurance industry, and all of that reduces the tax base... and you have to come up with that money somewhere. And the same pretty much goes for his college plan. He doesn't raise enough money to pay for it. The math just doesn't work. The things that work in countries with lower populations don't always scale up nicely to a country with the population of the United States.
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Vodos posted:Every interview she gave about her email server comes to mind. Which part did she lie about?
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punk rebel ecks posted:I will admit that I agree with a fair bit of this, but you did lose me during the writeup after point 5. Bernie's point was to bring social democratic principles more into the mainstream of American politics and he succeeded ten fold. He also isn't finished as now he is focusing on downticket campaigns as lately on his interviews he is practically screaming "vote for downticket candidate who support my platform." I won't argue with that. He may indeed have done just enough to shift the DNC a bit away from the middle, and that could possibly be a good thing, even if we don't see the benefits for a few years. punk rebel ecks posted:Also the "Bernie or Bust" type people always appear during a competitive race with the losing candidates. Remember PUMAs? While that's true, it's never been as bad as it is this time around. I've closely followed presidential elections ever since I was a teenager, and that was over 20 years ago. Yes, there are always the people who say that they won't support the ticket since their guy lost. But you know what? They went away very quickly, and they were nowhere near as vocal or vitriolic as the Bernie or Bust people. The degree of hostility I'm still seeing in that camp, and the fact that I'm still seeing it, is unprecedented. And, it remains to be seen how this will affect the election.
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Please take election talk to the relevant subforum especially as:Echo Chamber posted:John Oliver barely commented on Bernie Sanders so I don't know where this discussion in this thread is coming from. To clarify, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any political talk, just try and keep in mind that it should be more about how events are being covered seeing as this is a thread about a news program. muscles like this! fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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I, for one, was totally caught off guard as to how powerful the tanning bed industry has become.
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For something as seemingly innocuous as a tanning bed their industry is extremely scummy. Especially in regards to marketing to teens.
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My honest to god first reaction was "Uh, well this is going to be a waste of a segment, they're not still a thing."
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Duzzy Funlop posted:My honest to god first reaction was "Uh, well this is going to be a waste of a segment, they're not still a thing."
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Josh Lyman posted:Have you seen Donald Trump? My American friends introduced me to Jersey Shore, so that has to be a spray tan.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:My honest to god first reaction was "Uh, well this is going to be a waste of a segment, they're not still a thing." I tried a tanning bed once, but it felt like I was being bombarded with cancer - the UV actually made my skin prickle. Also who wants to lay naked in someone else's big coffin tube for 20 or 30 minutes?
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I strongly suspect tanning beds are one of those things where their popularity depends on where you live and what the climate is like. For instance, I live in northern Ontario, and as a result, tanning via natural sunlight has a pretty small window, time-wise. So my town of about 120,000 people has like 3 or 4 places that have tanning beds.
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Aug 2, 2016 19:28
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Open up google maps, type in "tanning" and pan around the rural US (especially the Ohio River Valley). There's basically a tanning salon in every town big enough to have a gas station.
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Well, the operating costs are basically "buy 4 tanning beds (maybe), rent a small strip mall spot, pay electricity and a bored teenager to man the counter."
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I strongly suspect tanning beds are one of those things where their popularity depends on where you live and what the climate is like. For instance, I live in northern Ontario, and as a result, tanning via natural sunlight has a pretty small window, time-wise. So my town of about 120,000 people has like 3 or 4 places that have tanning beds. Hilariously enough they're incredibly popular in Florida so people can keep up the beach tan look even if the weather doesn't cooperate. As long as the archetype of beauty for men and women remains tanned and athletic theyre going to remain popular. Alternatively someone could create a spray tan that doesn't look like orange paint
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No Butt Stuff posted:Well, the operating costs are basically "buy 4 tanning beds (maybe), rent a small strip mall spot, pay electricity and a bored teenager to man the counter." "Install hidden cameras, sell videos at nearest truck stop"
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Hilariously enough they're incredibly popular in Florida so people can keep up the beach tan look even if the weather doesn't cooperate. Not all spray tans are horrible. But, to your main point, yeah, as long as the tanned look is popular, people are going to do it. I mean, tanning beds are very likely to cause cancer, and literally everybody knows this... and still people tan. And they have for a while. I went to a small high school in rural southern Illinois (about 250 students total, Freshman - Senior). Needless to say, it was all white except for my family (white mixed with Indian), one girl who'd been adopted from Central America, and a Mexican family whose mom spoke broken Spanglish but whose daughters were born in the US. So, except for about 4 girls, everyone was white. Most of them were very fair-skinned, too. I have pictures in my (black and white) yearbooks showing these ridiculous young ladies so tanned for prom that they look like they're in blackface. This was in the early 1990s. In these small towns, tanning beds were often in, believe it or not, video rental stores. And also... I love the avatar and personal text.
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Not related to the most recent episode, but remember how they did a big piece on voter ID laws ages ago? Apparently thanks to the vacancy in the supreme court, a lot of lower court judges are shooting down that legislation, now that the Republican politicians that pushed those laws through no longer have the protection of a conservative supreme court to overturn the lower court decisions. So there's some good news for this terrible election cycle.
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tarlibone posted:This was in the early 1990s. In these small towns, tanning beds were often in, believe it or not, video rental stores. No Butt Stuff posted:Well, the operating costs are basically "buy 4 tanning beds (maybe), rent a small strip mall spot, pay electricity and a bored teenager to man the counter."
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I hate to have to say it, but at least in the US, I think tanning salons are a sign of depressed economic areas (see also: liquor stores and churches). On some deep psychological level, having a tan denotes status in that the orange person can afford to be lazy in the sun for a span of hours at midday, kind of like how being pale used to denote the status of not having to work out in the sun. Canada is an entirely different beast. I lived in Calgary at the height of their oil boom, and I've never seen a place with more tanning salons in my life. Maybe it was the harsh winter, maybe it was the city's vanity. Who knows.
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What's wrong with a tan?
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Propaganda Machine posted:I hate to have to say it, but at least in the US, I think tanning salons are a sign of depressed economic areas (see also: liquor stores and churches). On some deep psychological level, having a tan denotes status in that the orange person can afford to be lazy in the sun for a span of hours at midday, kind of like how being pale used to denote the status of not having to work out in the sun. most likely it's sads mitigation. https://www.sads.ca/
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Demiurge4 posted:What's wrong with a tan? After all, they will become mandatory in the Trumpenreich 2017.
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tarlibone posted:This was in the early 1990s. In these small towns, tanning beds were often in, believe it or not, video rental stores. In my microscopically small town, we had a video store/tanning bed place that shut down about two years ago. Demiurge4 posted:What's wrong with a tan? Well, if you're not naturally that color it's actually the result of ultraviolet light damaging your skin. And while you do need a small amount of UV light (despite what the segment claimed, taking vitamin D supplements won't cut it), UV also has a tendency to make part of your DNA sticky if the wrong part of it gets hit by a ray which means that when it duplicates there's a chance that it will copy wrong. Everytime that happens, it's rolling the dice to see if it turns into cancer. Now on an individual one hit level, the odds are infinitesimally small, but this happens all the time and tanning increases the number of times those dice are rolled by a gigantic amount. And that's why tanning beds and regular tanning are bad for you.
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When I was a little kid my mom and sister would make me go to the tanning beds with them and even as young as 8-10 I knew this poo poo couldn't possibly be safe and yes I can remember a few of them being in video rental stores.
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Propaganda Machine posted:I hate to have to say it, but at least in the US, I think tanning salons are a sign of depressed economic areas (see also: liquor stores and churches). On some deep psychological level, having a tan denotes status in that the orange person can afford to be lazy in the sun for a span of hours at midday, kind of like how being pale used to denote the status of not having to work out in the sun. It's all those poor fucks that work in fort Mc but didn't have enough time to fly to Hawaii every month so tanning bed.
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Mustache Ride posted:
The reporter? That was Bobby Cannavale (Boardwalk Empire, Vinyl).
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Whoa, Oliver finally dropped the "We only have time for a quick recap of the week" opening line.
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TRONC sounds like something Pinky would say.
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Popelmon posted:The reporter? That was Bobby Cannavale (Boardwalk Empire, Vinyl). The Mark Ruffalo look worked well for him.
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