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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Where I live there's national news - including news from Scotland - and local news. Is this not the case in Scotland itself now?
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Aug 3, 2016 17:37
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keep punching joe posted:The Scottish Six is not about making the news more parochial, it's about making the news more relevant. The BBC has failed to come to terms with devolution and reports on issues that are wholly English as if they are UK wide. Other than for us to point and laugh, what's the point in the national news reporting on junior doctors contracts and a-level results? How does having an extra 30 minutes from BBC Glasgow have any impact on the quality of news coverage? Quality is more important than quantity. Pissflaps posted:Where I live there's national news - including news from Scotland - and local news. We get the same BBC News at 6pm until 6:30pm as you get down south. We then get Reporting Scotland from 6:30 until 7. The people who want a Scottish Six want all our main evening news broadcast, from 6 until 7, to be from Scotland. And yet we're assured this won't end up being parochial. Anyone who has ever watched Reporting Scotland knows they regularly struggle for content, so the idea of an entire hour, even with Westminster/rUK & international reports, it stretches credibility.
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Aug 3, 2016 18:00
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Is the idea not that a Scottish Six would still report on (for example) the latest UK-wide economic meltdown, but with more of a focus on how it would affect people in Scotland and without 15 minutes of Tarquin from Surrey moaning about how this means he might have to sell one of his summer houses? Or am i being too hopeful here?
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Aug 3, 2016 18:05
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forkboy84 posted:How does having an extra 30 minutes from BBC Glasgow have any impact on the quality of news coverage? Quality is more important than quantity. Reporting Scotland struggles for content because all it reports on are murders, and some rather shallow coverage of Holyrood. I'd hope that with a wider scope and much higher budget they could do something more comprehensive. The BBC in London would still exist and the hypothetical Scottish Six would have access to correspondents and video features that they can slot in amongst their own content.
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Aug 3, 2016 18:28
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keep punching joe posted:Reporting Scotland struggles for content because all it reports on are murders, and some rather shallow coverage of Holyrood. I'd hope that with a wider scope and much higher budget they could do something more comprehensive. The BBC in London would still exist and the hypothetical Scottish Six would have access to correspondents and video features that they can slot in amongst their own content. That's all predicated on this idea that it'll get magically better. And it won't. A Scottish Six answers none of the criticisms of BBC Scotland's coverage which you get from the usual suspects, who all seem to support the Scottish Six. BBC Scotland need to prove they can do a half hour, a good 10 minutes of which is usually chatting about the Old Firm and whatever spurious made up transfer rumour is doing the rounds today (while occasionally touching on the rest of Scottish sport, unless Andy Murray is playing), before getting responsibility for an entire hour long news broadcast. It's so weird to me that people think this will be a magic pill to fix everything they think is wrong about BBC Scotland's news output. I just don't see it, at all.
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Aug 3, 2016 19:23
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It's just a nationalist thing. "It's Scottish so it's better".
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Aug 3, 2016 19:26
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keep punching joe posted:Reporting Scotland struggles for content because all it reports on are murders, and some rather shallow coverage of Holyrood. I'd hope that with a wider scope and much higher budget they could do something more comprehensive. The BBC in London would still exist and the hypothetical Scottish Six would have access to correspondents and video features that they can slot in amongst their own content. They could perhaps ease that difficulty by inserting extra Rs into the word "murder". Make each one go a little bit further.
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Aug 3, 2016 22:43
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Today's scottish newspaper headlines courtesy of STVquote:Here are the stories making headlines in Scotland on Thursday August 4. The National really is beyond parody
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Aug 4, 2016 08:21
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Niric posted:Today's scottish newspaper headlines courtesy of STV They really are the newspaper for sad, bitter racist fucks, aren't they? "Och, I'd never have lost ma job on the telly if only Scotland had voted tae be free, but the English want tae oppress us!" Elaine C Smith was on the board of both YES Scotland and the Common Weal for two years, and as soon as she stepped down from that the Beeb gave her a new sitcom. If this loving idiot lost his job for his Indyref tweets it was for bringing his employer into disrepute, which is not a political matter.
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Aug 4, 2016 08:38
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Jedit posted:They really are the newspaper for sad, bitter racist fucks, aren't they? "Och, I'd never have lost ma job on the telly if only Scotland had voted tae be free, but the English want tae oppress us!" Elaine C Smith was on the board of both YES Scotland and the Common Weal for two years, and as soon as she stepped down from that the Beeb gave her a new sitcom. If this loving idiot lost his job for his Indyref tweets it was for bringing his employer into disrepute, which is not a political matter. Calm down, friend.
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Aug 4, 2016 08:53
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Jedit posted:They really are the newspaper for sad, bitter racist fucks, aren't they? "Och, I'd never have lost ma job on the telly if only Scotland had voted tae be free, but the English want tae oppress us!" Elaine C Smith was on the board of both YES Scotland and the Common Weal for two years, and as soon as she stepped down from that the Beeb gave her a new sitcom. If this loving idiot lost his job for his Indyref tweets it was for bringing his employer into disrepute, which is not a political matter. I was more meaning in the sense that it's basically social media-type Zoomer bingo: Twitter/IndyRef/BBC bias!!! The subheading is great as well "Pro-Yes actor was written out of the show months later," like it's straight up admitting the causal link is tenuous as hell. And to think (some) writers for the National are the ones pushing hard for Scottish Six when their idea of a major national news story, one more important than anything else that day, is "D-list actor says a thing (or maybe doesn't say a thing) on Twitter." Even if we're being ridiculously charitable and saying the story is "about" freedom of speech it still falls apart: it's really not in any way unusual for employers to have a code of conduct around social media use, particularly around touchy subjects such as politics (and there's also the standard rule of "use your gumption"). I mean, yes there's the issue of the blur between personal/corporate/public statements, which could be an interesting topic in a different context, but that isn't what the National are trying to explore here.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:27
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Alertrelic posted:Calm down, friend. Stupidity angers me.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:31
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Jedit posted:Stupidity angers me. 
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Aug 4, 2016 10:02
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The fate of all sensible men who live where The National front pages can be viewed.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:57
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This is going to upset some people
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Aug 4, 2016 11:25
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There are things that don't get reported that can be considered news worthy but don't show it out of either bias or thinking it's not worth much. Like was there any mention of the surveillance bullshit councils were doing that the ferret dug up in the media?
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Aug 4, 2016 11:28
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Pissflaps posted:This is going to upset some people I agree, that lighting is hideous
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Aug 4, 2016 11:30
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Pissflaps posted:This is going to upset some people You might think he's doing a forced smile but that flag is really loving heavy and he is using every bit of his strength to keep it up.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:35
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One fisherman dies, hopes fade for second. I mean, I don't like fishermen much but I don't think i'd hope for them to drown or something....
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Aug 4, 2016 11:36
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Sion posted:One fisherman dies, hopes fade for second. They voted for Brexit.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:43
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Jedit posted:They voted for Brexit. And now one has already left Britain.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:49
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I'm happy for our Andy.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:51
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Extreme0 posted:And now one has already left Britain. It wasn't a creek, but he was without a paddle.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:51
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Extreme0 posted:There are things that don't get reported that can be considered news worthy but don't show it out of either bias or thinking it's not worth much. In all honesty I'm not sure there was a huge amount to that story besides "councils look at facebook for things like anti-social behaviour and their policies regarding social media are a bit crap. Also recommendations are not always implemented." Granted, it's still far more newsworthy than most of the front page stories above, but it's fairly barrel-scraping. I really want to like The Ferret, because the idea behind it is great, but they seem to be trying far too hard to spin every story as some sensational expose of deep rooted corruption, even when, at most, it covers minor incompetence or misunderstanding. Their coverage of charities being involved with workfare does a similar thing. It doesn't help that their reporting is flat out wrong: "one of those named, Govanhill Baths Community Trust, denied it had participated in the scheme," when what they actually said was the much more politician-y "never to our knowledge [have we] engaged in workfare programmes.” But the story runs as "Charities DENY involvement but THE FERRET reveals THE TRUTH." Bearing in mind that the Govanhill Baths Community Trust is a small organisation with 1 whole charity shop to its name (and it doesn't even have that any more), that they might not be au fait with the technicalities of workfare - especially if they haven't been told their "volunteer" is on workfare - is hardly surprising, or indicative of a stink in the soul of society. I'm also annoyed because I like Peter Geoghegan and don't want him writing crap articles. Niric fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Aug 4, 2016 12:09
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Pissflaps posted:This is going to upset some people Finally there's a UK citizen brave enough to acknowledge that the country is ruled under admiralty law, and that they exist as a freeman of the land!
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Aug 4, 2016 13:19
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Extreme0 posted:You might think he's doing a forced smile but that flag is really loving heavy and he is using every bit of his strength to keep it up. He always looks like that when he smiles, he's a good tennisman but he doesn't photograph well.
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Aug 4, 2016 14:14
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Relevant to the current discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edrBBphznfw
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Aug 4, 2016 19:21
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Acaila posted:Relevant to the current discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edrBBphznfw I got about 45 seconds in before I could bear no more of the soulless husk muttering in a monotone about regional news programmes. How is it relevant?
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Aug 4, 2016 19:26
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Jedit posted:I got about 45 seconds in before I could bear no more of the soulless husk muttering in a monotone about regional news programmes. How is it relevant? It's a funny and clever poem playing with the ideas (and words) bound up with the common news presenter phrase "and now for the news where you are." You don't have to completely agree with its politics to appreciate its combination of verbal playfulness and political polemic
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Aug 4, 2016 19:49
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Jedit posted:I got about 45 seconds in before I could bear no more of the soulless husk muttering in a monotone about regional news programmes. How is it relevant? While you were off, some of us started classing up ScotPol with some culture. Speaking of, who is up for late August Edinburgh goon meet and hopefully grabbing some free Fringe comedy?
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Aug 4, 2016 20:29
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Niric posted:It's a funny and clever poem
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Aug 4, 2016 22:55
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Acaila posted:Speaking of, who is up for late August Edinburgh goon meet and hopefully grabbing some free Fringe comedy? Not me I'm afraid, I'll be at the Discworld Convention.
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Aug 5, 2016 00:20
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Jedit posted:Not me I'm afraid, I'll be at the Discworld Convention. Speaking of, would you recommend reading the last couple? Haven't read Pratchett in ages and really like the series, but wasn't keen on Snuff and not sure I fancy reading anything less good than that (both for literary and  reasons)
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Aug 5, 2016 07:44
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Niric posted:Speaking of, would you recommend reading the last couple? Haven't read Pratchett in ages and really like the series, but wasn't keen on Snuff and not sure I fancy reading anything less good than that (both for literary and Absolutely read The Shepherd's Crown. I enjoyed Raising Steam enough, but it wasn't one of the greats.
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Aug 5, 2016 08:48
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Newspaper front pages from STVquote:
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Aug 5, 2016 08:50
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I'll be sad if Dundee no longer has two football stadiums on the same street. The story in the P&J about people playing Pokemon Go at the Piper Alpha memorial is quite funny though. In a dark sort of way.
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Aug 5, 2016 10:59
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forkboy84 posted:I'll be sad if Dundee no longer has two football stadiums on the same street. It seems Pokestops get put at places where lots of people pass by. Practically every memorial anywhere is going to get one.
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Aug 5, 2016 11:58
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Jedit posted:Absolutely read The Shepherd's Crown. I enjoyed Raising Steam enough, but it wasn't one of the greats. I'd agree on Shepherds Crown, I think the fact that the Tiffany Aching books had a very slightly different tone anyway helps, and there are so many moving bits in it (I cried a ton and that's pretty unusual for me). I really really struggled with Raising Steam though. Snuff was the Vimes one in the country? I'd say Raising Steam was on a par or possibly a bit less good than that. Obviously it's completely understandable why.
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Aug 5, 2016 17:23
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Not sure how Kezia's been missing, she's had a lot of opinion pieces in the grauniad's uk/scotland section here in the AU
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Aug 7, 2016 02:02
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Ok, so current meet-plan Saturday 20th August Edinburgh Itinerary: ???? Some form of hanging out and chatting somewhere? Then going to see The Dark Room at 20:30 Currently in: Acaila Autonomous Monster Budgie Angepain IceAgeComing Who else wants to come hang out with the cool kids? Acaila fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Aug 8, 2016 |
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Aug 7, 2016 17:23
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