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You either despise star ratings or you worship them. Where do i stand? i'll say this: "Dave" (real name David) Meltzer's Gimmick smells like a 5 star turd from the human bung
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Cavauro posted:You either despise star ratings or you worship them or you think they are ok
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Aug 3, 2016 06:12
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never thought of it like that
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People angrily tweeting Dave that he didn't give Undertaker/HBK ***** is the good poo poo.
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Aug 3, 2016 06:38
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I've never seen a Dave rating that wasn't relatively on the money.
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Aug 3, 2016 06:56
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NienNunb posted:I've never seen a Dave rating that wasn't relatively on the money. The one that springs to mind is when he gave **1/2 to the diabolical intercontinental championship elimination chamber last year.
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NilkNarf posted:I'm really not getting Enzo and Cass. Is there a match or feud they were involved with during their NXT run that put them over big with you guys? Beep boop
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I'm angry he didn't give Jinder vs. Heath *****.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Everyone is better off paying no attention to star ratings, they're stupid and mean nothing, like W/L records in wrestling. You've just described every rating system or review of anything ever. However, some of them are fun to read and think about. Well that's my hot take on the issue of the day, give it some thought, I'll hang up and read.
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Aug 3, 2016 13:42
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TL posted:What are some of the most satisfying instances of a heel getting their comeuppance? I've always been fond of the Mountie losing the Jailhouse match to Big Bossman. There's a series of vignettes of the Mountie being booked and fingerprinted and getting his mugshot, and he's screaming bloody murder the whole time, and it's hilarious and great. - JBL getting chumped out at WrestleMania 25 after months of trying to solidify himself as something more than just a joke (to the point of trying to literally own another man), standing traumatized in the ring to the sound of jeers, screaming "I QUIT!" then realizing what he just said and walking off. - Undertaker sending Edge to Hell after their lengthy feud. - Even though her freakout seemed a bit out of character, Catrina's house of cards crumbling during Aztec Warfare II is really great. - From Chikara, Oleg the Usurper turning on his abusive manager Sidney Bakabella and hitting his finisher (Off With His Head) so hard that Bakabella's toupee went flying off. Bakabella's lifeless body remained near the edge of the ring as the main event finished up and after the show, fans lined up to take selfies with it.
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Aug 3, 2016 14:55
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Meltzer gave Punk v. Cena at MITB 5 stars because of the atmosphere, even though it was sloppy as gently caress, and they had better matches with each other before and after that match. So what I'm saying is that the star rating system isn't something to be taken so seriously
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Aug 3, 2016 15:51
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NienNunb posted:I've never seen a Dave rating that wasn't relatively on the money. Regal/Arn from Superbrawl '94!!! gently caress Shave Seltzer!!!
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Aug 3, 2016 15:53
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Meltzer rates matches in context and atmosphere and there's no denying that the MITB match between Cena/Punk had the best Atmosphere in a WWE match in a long time. RVD/Cena was a similar affair too even if it wasn't the greatest match. But what most people forget is that match snowflakes are subjective and not fact. People are dumb and just because Meltzer is the undisputed best authority on whether a match is great or not, does not mean you have to agree with him on everything.
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Aug 3, 2016 16:33
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A funny thing about Meltzer ratings is that if you went purely by them, you'd think some guys from the 80s were terrible wrestlers because he only rated their PPV matches with bad guys or bad booking. The best case I can think of is Jake Roberts.
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I always maintain that punk vs cena mitb is 5 stars if you were there in the moment. Watching it now never seems to hold up and as rightly pointed out they've had far better matches since. Star ratings are useful to sort of see if somethings worth checking out but generally everyone's opinion on what a 5 star match will differ. Basically use them as they are a guide to what is good wrestling.
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Cavauro posted:Hello folks, is there a promo that will help me "get" Lance Storm? https://mobile.twitter.com/lancestorm/status/376823017860366336
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Halloween Jack posted:A funny thing about Meltzer ratings is that if you went purely by them, you'd think some guys from the 80s were terrible wrestlers because he only rated their PPV matches with bad guys or bad booking. The best case I can think of is Jake Roberts. And you'd mostly be right
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Shawn Cotureier posted:Meltzer gave Punk v. Cena at MITB 5 stars because of the atmosphere, even though it was sloppy as gently caress, and they had better matches with each other before and after that match. They're nice little reference guide, like if you want to go back and watch a classic match involving Wrestler X you can just look for their four star+ stuff and you'll rarely go wrong. That they get taken as more than that is, I think, where things get awry.
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Speaking of Arn/Regal, does anyone have any good examples of matches that felt like they were dropped in from another promotion? I just re-watched Greg Valentine / Ronnie Garvin from the 1990 Rumble (an awesome loving match that Shave inexplicably gave ** to), and it really seems like someone dropped a stiff southern blood feud into a bright, shiny WWF arena for some reason. Only real concession to WWF-style logic at the time was how Garvin's shinguard somehow completely negated a figure-4. 
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Gavok posted:- From Chikara, Oleg the Usurper turning on his abusive manager Sidney Bakabella and hitting his finisher (Off With His Head) so hard that Bakabella's toupee went flying off. Bakabella's lifeless body remained near the edge of the ring as the main event finished up and after the show, fans lined up to take selfies with it. I still regret not taking up Max Smashmaster's offer to sell the toupee. I could've owned a piece of history. Plus, it'd help keep my big bald head warm in the winter time.
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So a friend of mine mentioned an ECW show that was booked to where the ending of the first match played into how the second started, and thus the third, etc for the entire show. I know there are about 400 episodes of ECW TV to look through and I'm not where to start looking for that one. Would anyone in the thread be able to point me in at least a general direction of what timeframe/year to start looking?
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I hate libraries too, Lance
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ShadowedFlames posted:So a friend of mine mentioned an ECW show that was booked to where the ending of the first match played into how the second started, and thus the third, etc for the entire show. I know there are about 400 episodes of ECW TV to look through and I'm not where to start looking for that one. Would anyone in the thread be able to point me in at least a general direction of what timeframe/year to start looking? That sounds like the show where Dreamer finally beat Raven, got attacked by Sabu/RVD/Lawler, which led to Taz coming out for the save, Sabu vs. Taz, which led into Taz vs. Shane Douglas. Summer of '97 would be that timeframe, I don't recall the show name off the top of my head.
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NienNunb posted:I hate libraries too, Lance That's because you're not allowed less than 500 feet from children.
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C. Everett Koop posted:That sounds like the show where Dreamer finally beat Raven, got attacked by Sabu/RVD/Lawler, which led to Taz coming out for the save, Sabu vs. Taz, which led into Taz vs. Shane Douglas. Summer of '97 would be that timeframe, I don't recall the show name off the top of my head. Your answer + Google leads me to Wrestlepalooza '97. Thank you; I've found my entertainment for the evening! 
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Alain Post posted:Speaking of Arn/Regal, does anyone have any good examples of matches that felt like they were dropped in from another promotion? I just re-watched Greg Valentine / Ronnie Garvin from the 1990 Rumble (an awesome loving match that Shave inexplicably gave ** to), and it really seems like someone dropped a stiff southern blood feud into a bright, shiny WWF arena for some reason. Only real concession to WWF-style logic at the time was how Garvin's shinguard somehow completely negated a figure-4. That's why I like late 80s early 90s WCW where you get that weird mix of great old school workers and cartoon wrestling.
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There were the Lucha matches at Rumble 1996 and a couple of Raws around then, and the Michinoku Pro matches at ECW shows and Canadian Stampede: In Your House and stuff, but those were less "feeling like a different promotion" and more "actually a different promotion", I guess. The NXT guys (and alumni) having indie matches on WWE shows might count too?
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what is with WWEs obsession with 3-man commentary teams? Byron Saxton and David Otunga are at the best of times useless echo chambers and that's only if they actually say anything. As far as I can tell, Byron is there so Corey Graves and Kevin Owens can make fun of him.
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I always found it odd that the guys who finally put the nail in Demolitions coffin in the WWF were Genichiro Tenryu and I think Koji Kitao? Tenryu was also in one of the Rumbles. OOh, watch the Glamour Girls vs. The Jumping Bomb Angels at what I think is the first Royal Rumble. Amazing match that was ridiculously different to the rest of the show. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Aug 3, 2016 19:41
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Matt saying "shrubbery" is the best thing lmao
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Alain Post posted:Speaking of Arn/Regal, does anyone have any good examples of matches that felt like they were dropped in from another promotion? Nailz wrestled Giant Gonzalez at a NJPW event in '94.
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Alain Post posted:Speaking of Arn/Regal, does anyone have any good examples of matches that felt like they were dropped in from another promotion? I just re-watched Greg Valentine / Ronnie Garvin from the 1990 Rumble (an awesome loving match that Shave inexplicably gave ** to), and it really seems like someone dropped a stiff southern blood feud into a bright, shiny WWF arena for some reason. Only real concession to WWF-style logic at the time was how Garvin's shinguard somehow completely negated a figure-4. This is still one of my favorite matches ever. The first wrestling tape I ever had was Rumble 1990, and this match blew 9-year old me's mind.
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C. Everett Koop posted:That sounds like the show where Dreamer finally beat Raven, got attacked by Sabu/RVD/Lawler, which led to Taz coming out for the save, Sabu vs. Taz, which led into Taz vs. Shane Douglas. Summer of '97 would be that timeframe, I don't recall the show name off the top of my head. I think that's Hardcore TV 217, which Heyman said was the best episode on a Network interview with Styles. June 16 1997
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MrBling posted:what is with WWEs obsession with 3-man commentary teams? Byron Saxton and David Otunga are at the best of times useless echo chambers and that's only if they actually say anything. As far as I can tell, Byron is there so Corey Graves and Kevin Owens can make fun of him. They basically serve the purpose of Mike Tenay in WCW with less experience and unintentional racism.
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I have found it. The dumbest bump in wrestling history.   just plain bad. Don't watch this if you're squeamish, pregnant, under the age of 18, maybe under 40, of sound mind and body, and have hope for the future of the human race.That being said, you've been warned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPk4hEmBxrU
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Aug 3, 2016 23:54
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C. Everett Koop posted:I have found it. And I thought the spot at 8:40 was bad...holy gently caress.
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Jesus Christ, you can see the blades slide out of his flesh when he rolls away. Those aren't superficial wounds. Who are these people?
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C. Everett Koop posted:
 There is no possible way these people are paid enough money to put themselves through this.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I have found it. gonna not click just going by the screenshot
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