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703 posted:This has been my nightmare from the get-go. IF Don dropped out, I feel like the bland republican they would get to replace him would have the base so loving excited that they would come out in droves. Get so excited for who If there was a guy "the base" could agree on, that guy would be running for president right now.
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Get excited for noted war hero Chris Kyle. Oh man has his family issued a statement yet?
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zoux posted:Get so excited for who Now the base knows what Trump is like, the 30% that are voting for anyone with an R will be happy, and all traditional republicans can come back into the fold. Not even so much about coming back into the fold, just coming back to the loving ballot box. edit: I hope i'm wrong, because the coat-tails for this election are going to be glorious. double edit: and now I know why people don't engage w/ zoux. no u 703 fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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703 posted:Now the base knows what Trump is like, the 30% that are voting for anyone with an R will be happy, and all traditional republicans can come back into the fold. Not even so much about coming back into the fold, just coming back to the loving ballot box. I mean, no, not at all.
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https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/760868213668405249 Heh.
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There is no way a pinch hitter would draw in more establishment voters than he would drive away disgusted Trumpers.
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emdash posted:petition started by Karen Bass, CA37 congressperson: https://www.change.org/p/diagnosetrump I'm pretty sure APA considers it unethical to publicly comment on political candidates since Eagleton. 703 posted:This has been my nightmare from the get-go. IF Don dropped out, I feel like the bland republican they would get to replace him would have the base so loving excited that they would come out in droves. At most they will just disown him. I still don't believe they really are capable of replacing him on the ballot. "Vote Trump so that our Electors can instead vote Cruz/Ryan/Marco" isn't a winning slogan.
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703 posted:edit: I hope i'm wrong, because the coat-tails for this election are going to be glorious. You are.
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Forcing Trump out would be a disaster. It would make a large portion of their base take the Bernout path but infinitely more justified.
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http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/03/georgia-republican-says-he-might-withhold-electoral-college-vote-from-donald-trump/ A member of the Georgia electoral college saying he may not vote for trump if he wins the state. 
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zoux posted:Tweet chain from Jeb's FP advisor on Trump's nuclear policy Read bottom to top. Iron Rose's twitter account spotted.
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703 posted:Now the base knows what Trump is like, the 30% that are voting for anyone with an R will be happy, and all traditional republicans can come back into the fold. Not even so much about coming back into the fold, just coming back to the loving ballot box. Trump has 80%+ support among Republicans. In fact they seem to love him even more when they learn about the stupid poo poo he says. There won't be a knight in shining armour. At best it'll be some also-ran or has-been who'll take one for the team and get slaughtered just like Trump would. Anyone with any future in the party will stay as far away from this ticket as they possibly can. They didn't want to run for President this time and they sure as hell don't want to run on a ticket with Trump sniping at them and inciting the base against them.
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ImpAtom posted:Forcing Trump out would be a disaster. It would make a large portion of their base take the Bernout path but infinitely more justified. Zombie Samurai posted:There is no way a pinch hitter would draw in more establishment voters than he would drive away disgusted Trumpers. Yes, I agree. The shitstorm is loving glorious.
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Anyone who's worried about Trump dropping out needs to realize that if anyone, literally anyone, decides to stay home over Trump getting screwed that's game over. If 5% of the Republican's reliable base decides not to vote or to write Trump in then the Republicans have no shot at all of carrying the election and will more than likely lose in a massive landslide. I think establishment Republicans are going to start rapidly distancing themselves from him, but they aren't going to kick him out.
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ImpAtom posted:Forcing Trump out would be a disaster. It would make a large portion of their base take the Bernout path but infinitely more justified. They can't force him out.
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Manafort said on Fox that "[Trump] is in charge of the campaign, [and I'm] in charge of doing the things he wants to do for the campaign." If true, insanity can only continue
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Mahoning posted:LOL, for some reason the scene in Home Alone 2 with Tim Curry and the other hotel employees all saying "We LOVE you" in unison came to mind. It's no coincidence. 
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Antti posted:So this is like the equivalent of standing outside Trump Tower and shouting "BOY HOWDY IT SURE WOULD BE NICE IF MISTER TRUMP JUST DROPPED OUT, HUH?" I mean there could be a private ultimatum. "Either fake a heart attack and drop out or we'll pull all our help/turn on you and you'll lose by 10-15 points". If Trump at any point is faced with a choice between getting smoked or having to save face, he's going to pick face-saving as a matter of ego-survival. The trick is convincing Trump that's what he's looking at (which I'm not sure is possible). (But it doesn't matter if it's possible, only if RNC folks think it could be possible)
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Trabisnikof posted:At most they will just disown him. I still don't believe they really are capable of replacing him on the ballot. Trump has to die to drop out, they can't force him off the ticket without rewriting their rules and, again, this is nuclear-option stuff that has a higher chance of fracturing the party than letting Trump jump off the political cliff does. Plus the only way Trump would agree to drop out is if it benefits him more than staying in the race. He's so loving vain he'd probably demand a several billion dollar bribe to leave. Which would still piss off a ton of his rabid white wing supporters.
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Jackson Taus posted:I mean there could be a private ultimatum. "Either fake a heart attack and drop out or we'll pull all our help/turn on you and you'll lose by 10-15 points". If Trump at any point is faced with a choice between getting smoked or having to save face, he's going to pick face-saving as a matter of ego-survival. The trick is convincing Trump that's what he's looking at (which I'm not sure is possible). He won't. He'll go "I'LL WIN THIS ANYWAY!" And continue to double down on the whole rigged angle.
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Trabisnikof posted:It is pretty dubious that these big companies and rich people would give money to an organization and then that organization would spend that money on "projects" to "bring people together" to "take on" things they call "challenges of the 21st century" Check yourself before you wreck yourself https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...79dd_story.html An older story but explains more in detail.
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iospace posted:He won't. He'll go "I'LL WIN THIS ANYWAY!" And continue to double down on the whole rigged angle. Right, I agree. But RNC folks strategizing this may not be thinking in those terms (or may realize it's a Hail Mary and be trying it anyhow).
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Have we talked about Jill Stein's new conspiratorial running mate yet? Does anyone care? Is anyone actually voting for her besides a handful of angry white people on my Facebook feed?
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CelestialScribe posted:You do realise that even if one nuclear weapon detonates, it's likely the world will enter nuclear winter, yes? What? No. We've open-air tested hundreds and set off thousands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaTp5h_m2a8 Even a pretty substantial nuclear exchange short of TOTAL GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WARFARE wouldn't have particularly dire environmental consequences other than slight increases in background cancer rates. (Outside of blast sites/direct fallout contamination)
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Fangz posted:You know, given that Trump made his announcement that he had a 'secret plan for easily defeating ISIS' shortly after that. Who wants to bet this secret plan involves nukes? I love how the absolute most charitable interpretation of this statement is that Donald has an answer to prevent thousands of deaths but is withholding it because he's afraid of not getting credit.
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/opinion/campaign-stops/paul-ryans-long-hot-summer.html?_r=2&referer=quote:The deeper problem is that Ryan’s reputation, his standing as a public figure, will not recover easily from what’s transpiring in presidential politics right now. Yes, the people of his district will presumably return him to the House even without Trump’s imprimatur, and his colleagues will probably return him to the speakership no matter who wins the White House. It's Douthat but drat that's a pretty great couple of lines.
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Tibeerius posted:One correction. The Americans who were "ransomed" in this story were not the sailors, they were a Washington Post reporter, a former U.S. Marine, a pastor, and one other person. The same reason that putting actual figures to the previously-known loosening of the Iranian nuclear deal after year 10 counted as "news" a few weeks ago.
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colonel_korn posted:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/opinion/campaign-stops/paul-ryans-long-hot-summer.html?_r=2&referer= Its a great couple of lines, sure, but lest we forget the short memories of the GOP voting bloc.
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Roflan posted:http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/03/georgia-republican-says-he-might-withhold-electoral-college-vote-from-donald-trump/ no no no, that's also very bad. The electoral college has enough problems without the electorate worrying if they'll follow the people's votes.
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CommieGIR posted:Its a great couple of lines, sure, but lest we forget the short memories of the GOP voting bloc. Douthat himself will forget that as soon as the Dems keep the WH and take the Senate and Speaker Paul Ryan is the only thing preventing Full Communism.
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Eh, electors have done it before. It's how the Libertarians got their only EC vote in history.
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i am the bird posted:Have we talked about Jill Stein's new conspiratorial running mate yet? Does anyone care? Is anyone actually voting for her besides a handful of angry white people on my Facebook feed? No, can you tell us who this person is and what is so conspiratorial about him/her?
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colonel_korn posted:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/opinion/campaign-stops/paul-ryans-long-hot-summer.html?_r=2&referer= https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/760883074577993729
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Somnambulant surgeon Ben Carson on CNN calling on the Kahns to apologize so we can put all this behind us.
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theflyingorc posted:no no no, that's also very bad. The US Electoral College has had a smattering of faithless electors over the years, with the latest in 2000, but it hasn't mattered since at least 1836 and 1800. I do agree that optics-wise it looks bad, especially if you want to avoid the spectre of an illegitimate election.
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