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Trabisnikof posted:It's amazing how much people have bought into talk radio narratives on the Clinton Foundation that the argument is "how much bad poo poo is this non-profit accused of doing without evidence" while ignoring all the good things it does. if the clinton foundation really cared about its philanthropic work, it would have spent more time managing its brand online.
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/LadyBugAssassin/status/760893443887333377
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Tibeerius posted:I love how Trump has turned the usual "VP = attack dog" conventional wisdom upside-down. Every quote I see from Pence these days is covering for his running mate. "Get the breastplate stretcher!"
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OhFunny posted:Nah this isn't right. Her father said she wouldn't let herself be sexually harassed. her brother said that. her father said this
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iospace posted:Fixed, but agreed. And largely as of late, it seems she's laying low. She doesn't do these giant rallies that Trump does. She does smaller ones, designed to be more personal. I think it's a good strategy. The fact is that you can play to your strengths in this sort of contest as your opponent is too busy committing suicide for anyone else to notice. And the whole wikileaks thing, it seems to be pretty much bunkum (look at all the emails! That have nothing on them at all really... poo poo), I wouldn't worry too much about them. The real problem seems to be a lack of easy counter-narrative. See, would it have been possible for Hillary to have started out (having gotten sanders on board etc) by clearly refuting every bad thing that the Republicans have said about her? Would it have been possible to print off a big long list and run through it? BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Lol no Okay? (are we trying to do replies in as small a space as possible, I do walls of text and cannot deal with this!)
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Fangz posted:You know, given that Trump made his announcement that he had a 'secret plan for easily defeating ISIS' shortly after that. Who wants to bet this secret plan involves nukes? The fallout (heh) is a completely different matter though.
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/LadyBugAssassin/status/760893443887333377 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/strong-powerful-women-dont-get-sexually-harassed-says-eric-trump/ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/eric-trump-ivanka-strong-sexually-harassed-article-1.2735361 SAD!
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fwiw the ivanka trump thing is about her getting cat called (which is sexual harassment, but not what the Trump bros probably think of when they think of sexual harrassment/akin to what Ailes did) and she doesn't call it getting sexually harrassed in the book period, so that article is a bit disingenuous.
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/LadyBugAssassin/status/760893443887333377 If Ivanka ever decided to run she might actually be pretty tough competition, though she'd have to keep her dad chained up in a gilded basement somewhere with no wi-fi.
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Oxxidation posted:If Ivanka ever decided to run she might actually be pretty tough competition, though she'd have to keep her dad chained up in a gilded basement somewhere with no wi-fi. Consider how much older, under all that greasepaint, the elder trump looks. I wouldn't be suprised of an actual heart attack if the republicans don't win.
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Oxxidation posted:If Ivanka ever decided to run she might actually be pretty tough competition, though she'd have to keep her dad chained up in a gilded basement somewhere with no wi-fi. So what Hillary did to Bill in the 08 primaries?
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Josef bugman posted:I think it's a good strategy. The fact is that you can play to your strengths in this sort of contest as your opponent is too busy committing suicide for anyone else to notice. And the whole wikileaks thing, it seems to be pretty much bunkum (look at all the emails! That have nothing on them at all really... poo poo), I wouldn't worry too much about them. The real problem seems to be a lack of easy counter-narrative. Assange has gone on record saying he has emails that'll get Hillary arrested (For real this time! THIS TIME IT'S FOR REAL!). And then Trump opened his mouth about Russia getting them.
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The Manafort pivot to law and order in general was terrible from a strategy perspective and, even if Trump was moderately respectful, I think he still would fail with that as the central tenet of his candidacy. The law and order idea does a lot to rile the republican base, but the issue is that it raises his lack of credentials as an executor of that philsophy. He does nothing to project calm or the traditional strongman "im going to handle this". The reality is that, outside of the people that are begging to be ruled by the idea of white man politically as well as religiously (which is 30% of the country), people are scared of the lengths that Trump would go to to maintain law and order and he's not seen as a reliable caretaker of the country. You can't run someone with all-time candidacy unfavorables and an association with instability and fascism as a law and order candidate for the American people. It doesn't work for the branch of the Republican coalition they need (white, educated) to form a winning one.
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straight up brolic posted:The Manafort pivot to law and order in general was terrible True, but it gave us the guy at the DNC who listed a bunch of Trump failures and then said "That's not law and order, that's criminal intent!"
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/LadyBugAssassin/status/760893443887333377
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straight up brolic posted:The Manafort pivot to law and order in general was terrible from a strategy perspective and, even if Trump was moderately respectful, I think he still would fail with that as the central tenet of his candidacy. The law and order idea does a lot to rile the republican base, but the issue is that it raises his lack of credentials as an executor of that philsophy. He does nothing to project calm or the traditional strongman "im going to handle this". The reality is that, outside of the people that are begging to be ruled by the idea of white man politically as well as religiously (which is 30% of the country), people are scared of the lengths that Trump would go to to maintain law and order and he's not seen as a reliable caretaker of the country. You can't run someone with all-time candidacy unfavorables and an association with instability and fascism as a law and order candidate for the American people. It doesn't work for the branch of the Republican coalition they need (white, educated) to form a winning one. I'm going to disagree here, if only slightly. It was a logical pivot. Trump has been promoting "safety" (or what he believes is safety) by saying immigrants (namely Mexican) are the cause of all our country's crime and Muslims the cause of all terror and we should keep them out. Black Lives Matter gave him the justification (in his mind) to take shots at African-Americans and support cops. But I agree completely on the limited appeal of the message.
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/LadyBugAssassin/status/760893443887333377 Eh, while it's absolutely true that catcalls from construction works still constitutes harassment, it is quite a different thing than what Ailes allegedly did, which is preying on a new potential hire, desperate for money, making her perform favors over an extended amount of time, forcing her to say and do things on video, then locking that video in a safe deposit box, telling her it's "so we have an understanding." What he did is straight up sexual torture. The question that was posed to Trump was specifically worded to ask what she would do if she was harassed in the same way as what Ailes is being accused of. I think that makes his and Eric's responses so much more horrific than how she handled this.
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I haven't seen this posted, it seems like a good 'Trump is incompetent' rundown. http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html From early in the article: Connecticut Governor Lowell Weicker Jr., whom Trump had praised in his testimony, responded by calling him a “dirtbag” and a bigot; Trump immediately changed his mind about the governor, proclaiming Weicker to be a “fat slob who couldn't get elected dog catcher in Connecticut.”
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iospace posted:Assange has gone on record saying he has emails that'll get Hillary arrested (For real this time! THIS TIME IT'S FOR REAL!). And then Trump opened his mouth about Russia getting them. I think even without the Russia thing it wouldn't have gone too much further. Though tbf I am not sure of anything these days.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:If Pence wasn't such a huge bigoted piece of poo poo I might feel bad for him. Yeah, Pence is getting the humiliating end to his political career that he deserves. Best part about this election is that for the first time in over a decade, Chances are really good that Pence will no longer be representing me at any level of government.
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 e: er sorry, column 1 is favorable, 2 is unfavorable, 3 is spread if you're unfamiliar with RCP's tables. imagine if Trump manages to win with these unfavorables 90 days out...lmao Many of those polled were from before the height of the Khan thing too. Probably only going to get worse in the near future.
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Josef bugman posted:I think even without the Russia thing it wouldn't have gone too much further. Though tbf I am not sure of anything these days. Possibly, if only because Wikileaks got exposed as seemingly the mouthpiece for Russian Intelligence, and the fact that they didn't care about any personal information in the DNC leak or the Turkey leak (that they ended up taking down).
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Ages posted:Yeah, Pence is getting the humiliating end to his political career that he deserves. Best part about this election is that for the first time in over a decade, Chances are really good that Pence will no longer be representing me at any level of government. Sup, east central Indiana brethren
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Antti posted:No, unless you detonated it on a Mt Everest made of old tires or something. So we need to not nuke the Trump Border Wall Mk2, I guess. 
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So if the sane Republicans jump ship and either leave the party or consent to work with Democrats, does that pull the Democratic party right?
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gregday posted:Eh, while it's absolutely true that catcalls from construction works still constitutes harassment, it is quite a different thing than what Ailes allegedly did, which is preying on a new potential hire, desperate for money, making her perform favors over an extended amount of time, forcing her to say and do things on video, then locking that video in a safe deposit box, telling her it's "so we have an understanding." What he did is straight up sexual torture. The question that was posed to Trump was specifically worded to ask what she would do if she was harassed in the same way as what Ailes is being accused of. I think that makes his and Eric's responses so much more horrific than how she handled this. Yeah but what Ailes did was probably sexual assault
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:So if the sane Republicans jump ship and either leave the party or consent to work with Democrats, does that pull the Democratic party right? No?
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:So if the sane Republicans jump ship and either leave the party or consent to work with Democrats, does that pull the Democratic party right? In so much as the Democrats would then be able to pass laws and those laws will be compromises with the platform and not the platform untouched, yes.
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Moxie posted:Defense tree the scrolling hp bar is democracy straight up brolic posted:The Manafort pivot to law and order in general was terrible from a strategy perspective and, even if Trump was moderately respectful, I think he still would fail with that as the central tenet of his candidacy. The law and order idea does a lot to rile the republican base, but the issue is that it raises his lack of credentials as an executor of that philsophy. He does nothing to project calm or the traditional strongman "im going to handle this". The reality is that, outside of the people that are begging to be ruled by the idea of white man politically as well as religiously (which is 30% of the country), people are scared of the lengths that Trump would go to to maintain law and order and he's not seen as a reliable caretaker of the country. You can't run someone with all-time candidacy unfavorables and an association with instability and fascism as a law and order candidate for the American people. It doesn't work for the branch of the Republican coalition they need (white, educated) to form a winning one. The one flaw in Trump's "don't give any specifics on anything" strategy is that eventually he does actually have to give specifics on anything, and when he does it's always 100% stupid and/or horrifying. See: straight-up fascism and nukesnukesnukes
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:So if the sane Republicans jump ship and either leave the party or consent to work with Democrats, does that pull the Democratic party right? Has it before? Because, to be honest, the Republicans who work with them will just get fillited by the various groups in their own states that hate them.
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Le Saboteur posted:This election just got real. https://twitter.com/WWE/status/760879182691835904 I loving called it
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straight up brolic posted:fwiw the ivanka trump thing is about her getting cat called (which is sexual harassment, but not what the Trump bros probably think of when they think of sexual harrassment/akin to what Ailes did) and she doesn't call it getting sexually harrassed in the book period, so that article is a bit disingenuous. they're talking about abusing a travel visa to work in another country, which is illegal immigration, but they never called it illegal immigration, so that article is a bit disingenuous they're talking about a penis being nonconsensually thrust into another persons body, which is rape, but they never called it rape, so that article is a bit disingenuous they're talking about getting stabbed repeatedly, which is murder, but they never called it murder, so that article is a bit disingenuous
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zoux posted:No? I see the Democrats working with or even compromising on issues with any Republicans that will agree to work with them. I unfortunately have no faith that the Democrats will take this historic opportunity to gently caress the Republican party, not unless Trump causes them to take the house and Senate.
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uninterrupted posted:they're talking about abusing a travel visa to work in another country, which is illegal immigration, but they never called it illegal immigration, so that article is a bit disingenuous
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