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After The War posted:Never. The episode is utterly skippable, unless you want to see the introduction of Mr. Homn (and the only time he ever talks.) Too bad I'm not skipping any episodes because it's my first time watching. 
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Nazareth posted:Too bad I'm not skipping any episodes because it's my first time watching. We should have some kind of "It Gets Better" video series for people in your situation. You should start a countdown of episodes until Roddenberry loses his grip over the series. Season 2 is going to have some of the most loved and hated episodes, so hold on. There's a lot of Real Sci-Fi stuff about the nature of life and sentience, probably more than any other run in Star Trek History. And they start characterizing Picard consistently!
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Aug 3, 2016 15:49
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MikeJF posted:Telepathy's troubling as hell from a moral point of view and they always skipped right over it and just went 'whatever yeah it's fine', it's a pity. 
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Aug 3, 2016 16:11
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It's a combination of TNG advancing the tech to near-magic levels (the reason it'd be so hard to advance that timeline much further, unless you go all Roger Zelazny), the show being fundamentally episodic in nature and rarely revisiting anything, and the decree that the Federation have no arguments or disputes.
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Aug 3, 2016 16:47
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remusclaw posted:They use it again somewhat more egregiously later. Mind wiping people just seems to be part of the regular Star-fleet playbook. The ST universe seems to be a hyper-evolved leftist liberal-socialist society. Mind-wiping for "the greater good of pre-warp civizilations" was the least of it. Hell, they even introduced the leftist concept thread of mankind-ruins-environment, that most people have had to deal with in recent times (prohibition, overpopulation/hunger, ozone holes, global warming, climate change) with the warp drives damaging subspace. That's what I've always disliked about Roddenberry's view of the future in TNG. I've always thought that DS9's more centric and religious undertones better reflect what a future mankind working with alien populations on the farther reaches of space would be like.
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Aug 3, 2016 16:51
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Aug 3, 2016 17:48
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The best mind wipe was Worf's brother Kurn which wasnt the basic same thing as murder no siree bob! Just jump on the table Kurn old baby and we'll whip you up a new life in a jiffy!
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Aug 3, 2016 20:02
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Nessus posted:Logically speaking the Federation's gotta have some kind of a Psi Corps, and Troi would have actually been improved, probably, if she was the psi agent on board. Which HAPPENED to include, primarily, counseling and therapy, BUT ALSO some of the stuff she did in S6 and S7 when they put her in the uniform. I wouldn't say that's "logically speaking" at all, considering that Babylon 5 straight-up said that Psi Corps was the worst way to go about handling telepaths, and none of the alien powers were shown to have similar organizations.
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Aug 3, 2016 20:11
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Also there's a subtle difference between "telepaths start springing up amongst our human population" and "there's a whole fuckin planet full of telepaths over there".
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Aug 3, 2016 20:16
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Also there's a subtle difference between "telepaths start springing up amongst our human population" and "there's a whole fuckin planet full of telepaths over there". In at least one version of the Legion of Super-Heroes, people from Saturn Girl's planet have to wear badges that identify them as telepaths.
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Aug 3, 2016 20:25
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WickedHate posted:people from Saturn Girl's planet Uh...Saturn?
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Roadie posted:Uh...Saturn? No, the moon Titan, actually.
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Aug 3, 2016 20:31
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WickedHate posted:In at least one version of the Legion of Super-Heroes, people from Saturn Girl's planet have to wear badges that identify them as telepaths. Yes, the last time people were made to wear a badge to identify what minority they were on this planet ended really well.
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Aug 3, 2016 20:59
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I wouldn't say that's "logically speaking" at all, considering that Babylon 5 straight-up said that Psi Corps was the worst way to go about handling telepaths, and none of the alien powers were shown to have similar organizations. Like in this setting, psionics would just be another form of science, probably some kind of neurophysics thing.
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The_Doctor posted:Yes, the last time people were made to wear a badge to identify what minority they were on this planet ended really well. I dunno, Americans seem to really dig soldiers, and if they're not a minority wearing badges which say "I'm a meathead", I don't know what the gently caress to think.
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bull3964 posted:You know, one of the smartest things the writers ever did was invent "quad" for a unit of storage and didn't explain it beyond that. Otherwise, I'm sure all references to data storage would be hilariously dated right now. Maybe their data compression got really good.
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Aug 4, 2016 00:09
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Ezri Dax is the goddamned worst character. I retroactively hate Terry Farrell for quitting and subjecting me to this.
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She's real bad. Just a nothing character. They could have gone anywhere with a new Dax.
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TheBigAristotle posted:She's real bad. Just a nothing character. They could have gone anywhere with a new Dax. They could have hired a an actual actress for one thing.
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Aug 4, 2016 03:57
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I kind of feel like they couldn't really figure out what to do with one season and a new character with Dax's legacy attached to her, so they just said "eh, she's unsure of herself and the world now." You know, despite the fact she's now partially a multi-lifetimed near-immortal who's gotten several people before her through the whole personality-fusing thing before. The character's weak but at least Nicole de Boer tried.
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Aug 4, 2016 03:58
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I think the big problem with Ezri is they had to introduce a new main cast member in the very last season and they were in a rush to flesh her out. It would have been better if she was introduced earlier or not at all. Of course, Terry Farrell decided to quit the show so it couldn't really be helped, but they could have just not replaced her. They didn't really feel a need to give us a Tasha Yar 2.0 as a member of the main cast. Sure, Denise Crosby showed up again a few times, but that's because she regretted leaving the show once it started getting good. A lot of goons seem to have the hots for Ezri though which is really weird because she looks like a 12 year old boy to me. Insert Aatrek joke here. Jadzia was a pretty lame character but she was very easy on the eyes at least. Leeta was the hottest, though.
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Gammatron 64 posted:A lot of goons seem to have the hots for Ezri though which is really weird because she looks like a 12 year old boy to me. She's kind of dorky cute.
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Gammatron 64 posted:I think the big problem with Ezri is they had to introduce a new main cast member in the very last season and they were in a rush to flesh her out. It would have been better if she was introduced earlier or not at all. Of course, Terry Farrell decided to quit the show so it couldn't really be helped, but they could have just not replaced her. They didn't really feel a need to give us a Tasha Yar 2.0 as a member of the main cast. Sure, Denise Crosby showed up again a few times, but that's because she regretted leaving the show once it started getting good. Nana Visitor is the most beautiful woman from DS9 and I will fight you.
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Rhyno posted:Nana Visitor is the most beautiful woman from DS9 and I will fight you. She is a very pretty lady, but I have to go on team Leeta because I'm a boob man, and also she likes little Jewish goblin men like me
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Aug 4, 2016 04:16
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Ezri has issues, but she's much better than Jadzia who is so dull.
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I look at Nana Visitor and I want her to be my mom not my girlfriend.
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WickedHate posted:I look at Nana Visitor and I want her to be my mom not my girlfriend. You're a bad person, we've covered this!
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Gammatron 64 posted:She is a very pretty lady, but I have to go on team Leeta because I'm a boob man, and also she likes little Jewish goblin men like me Hello spirit brother.
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Gammatron 64 posted:She is a very pretty lady, but I have to go on team Leeta because I'm a boob man, and also she likes little Jewish goblin men like me Chase Masterson is also still incredibly hot. 
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Aug 4, 2016 04:33
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God drat it, another Mirror Universe episode?
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MikeJF posted:Ezri has issues, but she's much better than Jadzia who is so dull. Ezri is really interesting and I wish Dax had died With Honor on a mission a half-season earlier so that we had more of her.
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Zurui posted:Ezri is really interesting and I wish Dax had died With Honor on a mission a half-season earlier so that we had more of her. Yeah, Dax was boring as poo poo and any dax-heavy episodes had me snoring. Ezri at least tried to be a chracter with some flaws and stuggles and was also much more attractive which is apparently a very important point but a useless point because Nana Visitor destroyed everyone else like they were civilian collateral damage in a terrorist bombing.
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You're all wrong, Sisko was hottest.
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MikeJF posted:You're all wrong, Sisko was hottest. He was getting pretty chubby as early as season 3,
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Leeta's hot, but she's trashy hot. Ezri is dorky, cute, and seems approachable. Season 7 Kira is the overall correct choice though. this feels like the gbs thread now
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MikeJF posted:You're all wrong, Sisko was hottest. Mmm-hmm!   Hachi machi! 
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MikeJF posted:Ezri has issues, but she's much better than Jadzia who is so dull. Yeah, Jadzia is hands down the most boring character of DS9's main cast. I think she is a pretty lady, but she came without a personality installed. Jadzia beat Ezri in the looks department, but that's it - Ezri is actually the better character because she has... well... character. I just think Ezri would have been better if they killed off Jadzia earlier and didn't have to spend half of the final season establishing her character. I think she was just introduced to the show too late in its lifespan. It might have been best to just let the symbiote die with Jadzia, or have the next host be a minor or offscreen character so Dax is pretty much dead as far as the audience is concerned. MikeJF posted:You're all wrong, Sisko was hottest. Jake Sisko grew up to be a pretty handsome guy. The actor, I mean. Not the guy who played adult Jake in the Visitor.
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One of the weakest things in DS9, to me, is the Dax-Worf relationship. It suffers from the same thing the O'Briens do in that you basically never see them enjoying each others' company or being happy in their marriage. Almost every time we see them together, they're fighting, and as a result I just see no chemistry between them.
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MikeJF posted:You're all wrong, Sisko was hottest. I used to work with Avery Brooks' college roommate at Oberlin and he said his girlfriend was also hot, remembered her name and I looked it up and it was his wife. And she looks like she was probably hot back in the day. And that's my famous person story. Also I think I saw Kevin McKidd at a comedy club in LA, but I'm not sure.
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Pakled posted:One of the weakest things in DS9, to me, is the Dax-Worf relationship. It suffers from the same thing the O'Briens do in that you basically never see them enjoying each others' company or being happy in their marriage. Almost every time we see them together, they're fighting, and as a result I just see no chemistry between them. See also: Kirk and Spock in the JJ movies \ Obi-Wan and Anakin in the Star Wars prequels. Okay, so it's not a romantic relationship (at least not with Anakin and Obi-Wan, Kirk\Spock is up to debate) but you catch my drift.
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