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Saladman posted:Is there some other free movement agreement for Venezuelans? Peru and Chile aren't in Mercosur. IIRC you have to elect a corrupt pseudo-left wing president to join Mercosur, although maybe that's just an unwritten rule rather than an explicit part of their charter. Bit of a slip yeah, but Venezuela was formerly a member of the Comunidad Andina de Naciones, which allowed for free movement in Peru, apparently Chavez quit that in 2006, but that seemingly hasn't stopped a bunch of Venezuelans from moving there. I forgot to mention Ecuador, who is a member of ALBA and also a common destination for Venezuelan migrants. As for Chile, they don't have any actual free movement treaties with Venezuela, but apparently immigrating there is infinitely easier than attempting to get a green card, and there is a significant demand for high skilled jobs there.
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I went to a talk by a professor from a Trinidadian university who does research on crime surveys and public perceptions of crime. After his talk I chatted with him for a bit, and he told me that Venezuela comes up in the news there sometimes because it's seen as a drug export hub. He told me that the authorities in Trinidad trace both drugs and weapons to Venezuela, so the proximity to the country is causing some problems for Trinidad, apparently. Like fnox said, though, the fact that they speak English there makes Trinidad much more foreign and feel much further away than it actually is. Also, a bit of a tangent on the MERCOSUR mention: there's a big controversy there now because Venezuela assumed the presidency of MERCOSUR on Saturday, and some of the other member states aren't having it. MERCOSUR's presidency rotates among its members every six months in alphabetical order. Uruguay had the presidency until Saturday, at which point Venezuela said "Alright thanks, it's our turn now". Paraguay said that it didn't recognize Venezuela's presidency, and later Uruguay and Argentina said the same thing. Now those countries are calling for a meeting to resolve the issue because they don't appear to be at all interested in having Venezuela had the organization given its continued human rights abuses.
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Chuck Boone posted:I went to a talk by a professor from a Trinidadian university who does research on crime surveys and public perceptions of crime. After his talk I chatted with him for a bit, and he told me that Venezuela comes up in the news there sometimes because it's seen as a drug export hub. He told me that the authorities in Trinidad trace both drugs and weapons to Venezuela, so the proximity to the country is causing some problems for Trinidad, apparently. Like fnox said, though, the fact that they speak English there makes Trinidad much more foreign and feel much further away than it actually is. Funny that, considering they failed to do anything about those human right abuses when they could in the OAS emergency session. Guess they have to get off their asses now since Venezuela is affecting them economically now. fnox fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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Chuck Boone posted:I went to a talk by a professor from a Trinidadian university who does research on crime surveys and public perceptions of crime. After his talk I chatted with him for a bit, and he told me that Venezuela comes up in the news there sometimes because it's seen as a drug export hub. He told me that the authorities in Trinidad trace both drugs and weapons to Venezuela, so the proximity to the country is causing some problems for Trinidad, apparently. Like fnox said, though, the fact that they speak English there makes Trinidad much more foreign and feel much further away than it actually is. Uruguay said no such thing. We are the only country in MERCOSUR defending Venezuela, Frente Amplio's gotta pay back all the money they took from Venezuela during the past decade.
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fnox posted:Funny that, considering they failed to do anything about those human right abuses when they could in the OAS emergency session. Guess they have to get off their asses now since Venezuela is affecting them economically now. It's really easy to delude yourself as to the state of your ideological allies as long as it doesn't directly effect you, much less so when you realize you're about to hand over the reigns of your international organization to people who are desperately competing to be the most corrupt and crazy government in the world. EDIT: It seems like it was Brazil and not Uruguay who joined Paraguay and Argentina in the call.
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Yes, I think you're both right. I misinterpreted comments by Uruguayan Foreign Affairs Minister Rodolfo Nin Novoa yesterday. He called the situation at MERCOSUR "very serious", which I took to mean "Venezuela just jumping into the presidency is very serious", but I see now that the opposite is true. He meant that Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina objecting is very serious. Uruguay definitely voted against Venezuela at the OAS when Venezuela tried to stop about invoking the democratic charter back on June 23.
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I'm sorry to the Venegoons but don't get your hopes up about any MERCOSUR or Unasur or OEA shenanigans. At most what will happen is that they will give the presidency of MERCOSUR to someone else, or have some sort of emergency session bypass. Do not expect Venezuela to be put on probation for human rights violations or democratic failings or anything of the sort.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:I'm sorry to the Venegoons but don't get your hopes up about any MERCOSUR or Unasur or OEA shenanigans. At most what will happen is that they will give the presidency of MERCOSUR to someone else, or have some sort of emergency session bypass. Do not expect Venezuela to be put on probation for human rights violations or democratic failings or anything of the sort. I don't expect the international community to give two fucks about the country until well after anarchy breaks out. The government will continue to entrench themselves as Venezuelan society breaks apart, Maduro continuing to create a bizarre leftist nightmare version of the Ancien Régime in Venezuela, the MUD will continue to do absolutely loving nothing, and the status quo will be conserved until the time comes when somebody prefers to violently retaliate instead of die of starvation.
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fnox posted:I don't expect the international community to give two fucks about the country until well after anarchy breaks out. The government will continue to entrench themselves as Venezuelan society breaks apart, Maduro continuing to create a bizarre leftist nightmare version of the Ancien Régime in Venezuela, the MUD will continue to do absolutely loving nothing, and the status quo will be conserved until the time comes when somebody prefers to violently retaliate instead of die of starvation. How long can even this status quo be maintained though? There isn't enough to go around, and less every day, which means some people in the inner party are going to get ejected to the outer party, and eventually it's going to be a very small group of people getting 'enough'. How many people do you think , as a percentage of VZ's population, are in the inner party?
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gobbagool posted:How long can even this status quo be maintained though? There isn't enough to go around, and less every day, which means some people in the inner party are going to get ejected to the outer party, and eventually it's going to be a very small group of people getting 'enough'. How many people do you think , as a percentage of VZ's population, are in the inner party? 1% of the 1%, ironically enough. I don't expect the inner party to be more than 300 people, those are the close generals, the ministers, Diosdado, Cilia and their closest family, they get all the free money, the high lords and princes. They have around 300000 people, the 1%, who are directly under their command, who are basically an arsenal of mayors, governors, regional leaders, commissioned officers, and just close servants; that's the outer party, they're making money, and are responsible for most of the drug deals, but they're all disposable for the inner party, any time now they'll get kicked out, or they'll disappear, and some other amoral bastard willing to sell their soul for an iPhone will take their place. PSUV has around 10% of the population faithfully indoctrinated, they'll even shoot civilians to defend the revolution, that's who they are addressing nowadays. The remaining 89%? They're not doing too well, their closeness to the party, and therefore access to food, may vary, but ultimately they're all in the same situation of uncertainty, misery, and frustration. And the polls back me up, after all, Maduro's popularity is in the single digits and not going up no matter what. PSUV's biggest fear is an assassination, not of Maduro, but of any other member of the inner party, they know it's possible, the man who broke into the Central Bank the other day, he didn't even care about the money, he was there demanding answers to the people and he was willing to shoot his way up the building until he got them. Thus, paranoia, encroachment, they'll hunker down and double their security personnel, further distancing from the people. Tele-socialism, they call it. But it won't matter, heads will roll, their sins will creep up to them, the numbness that people feel will turn to anger, and there'll be nobody left willing to contain it. fnox fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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Like so many other times in history, the tragedy that is afflicting Venezuela will be chalked up under "Things everyone knew but did nothing about until it was way too late". Leopoldo Lopez had his appeal hearing last Saturday, and someone managed to record some of it. It was a closed-door hearing, and that fact that they've got Lopez locked up in a military prison means that footage of him since his arrested two and a half years ago is rare. Anyway, here's the clip along with my translation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CntFt7JvdWQ quote:Lopez: [I spent] a whole year alone in a building. Alone. I was the only inmate in that whole building. They’ve thrown excrement into our cells and [inaudible – sounds like vejado, which means “humiliate” or “treat poorly”] our families. In other news, the U.S. Department of Justice unsealed an indictment yesterday against the current (Nestor Luis Reverol) and former (Edylberto Molina) heads of the National Guard for drug trafficking. Reverol was also the head of the Oficina Nacional Anti-Drogas [National Anti-Drug Office]. You can read the DoJ release on the indictment here, and here's a choice bit: quote:According to court documents, from January 2008 to December 2010, in their then official capacities at ONA, Reverol and Molina received payments from drug traffickers in exchange for assisting the drug traffickers in distributing cocaine for ultimate importation into the United States. For example, in exchange for such payments they alerted the traffickers to future drug raids or the locations where law enforcement officers in Venezuela were conducting counter-narcotics activities to allow drug traffickers to change the location where they stored drugs or alter drug transportation routes. Now check this out: https://twitter.com/CorazonDelPSUV/status/760576507303591936 Maduro's about to go on live for his weekly En Contacto Con Maduro show, which you can check out here: http://www.vtv.gob.ve/en-vivo
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So goons, give me a countdown to coup/revolution timeline here. People are starving, and the hungry masses are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
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A White Guy posted:So goons, give me a countdown to coup/revolution timeline here. People are starving, and the hungry masses are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. theres been reports of far reaching police being attacked by White Tacomas with red diamonds on them. not sure if its Just FARC fear propagation or actual armed dissenters
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El Hefe posted:Since Maduro announced they won't increase the price of Internet services my connection has been obviously throttled, I was getting at least 6-7mb down last week but now it's only 1mb down, what a disaster this is worse than having no food. I was wondering about this after your previous comment. The LEC can control the local access fabric but to get into the Internet at some point they have to buy bandwidth. I wonder what backbone providers are still doing business with the vz national telco
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El Hefe posted:Since Maduro announced they won't increase the price of Internet services my connection has been obviously throttled, I was getting at least 6-7mb down last week but now it's only 1mb down, what a disaster this is worse than having no food. I've been getting throttled about once or twice every month for a while now. What I do is go into the router and force it to get a new IP address over and over until my connection is back to normal. Your mileage may vary since from what I've read, I'm sure they screw some parts of the country more than others when it comes to this stuff, but this has never failed to solve the issue for me. Just do it when you're not that busy since CANTV can take a while to assign you a new IP – the highest I've had to wait was like half an hour – if the network is congested.
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For the Venezuegoons in this thread, you are all mainly in larger cities, right? I kind of assume because Venezuelans who would post on SA, especially these days, would seem to be a pretty small and probably relatively well-to-do segment of the population, but that's just a guess. I'm wondering what life is like for the average poor person out in the countryside or in the smaller, more remote cities. All the info we get is reports from Caracas or other large cities but I'm really wondering what the situation is at locations from where we don't get any news.
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It's bizarre actually how none of the Venezuelans I have on Facebook (all "working class" people, and youngish) are complaining at all about the situation in the country. I suppose they're all in Puerto Ayacucho, which at least has the advantage of a very active black market with Puerto Carreño/Casuarito on the other side of the river, which might explain why they don't appear to be suffering...they post about the same poo poo my friends at home post about : girls, TV, and memes. It's weird.
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quote:Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has named General Nestor Reverol, 51, as his new interior and justice minister. So what's the guy's reputation on the ground? Because these are amazing credentials for leading the Interior and Justice.
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There were opposition marches throughout the country today hoping to put pressure on the CNE to let the recall referendum happen this year. For the most part they appear to have gone peacefully, except in Los Teques, Miranda state, where government supporters attacked the opposition rally there. Here are some pictures of the attack:      Look at what the National Guard soldiers are doing in these pictures:   And this is what has been coming out of my aunt's tap for the past little while. She lives in Caracas:  mobby_6kl posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36962571 His claim to fame is definitely being a suspect drug trafficker. National Assembly deputy Ismael Garcia (opposition) pointed out that Reverol's appointment is a really clear indication of just how much power the military has in Venezuela, since it was barely 24 hours before he got the promotion along with all of the benefits (and protection) that a cabinet position offers. EDIT: Does imgur not let me use the [img] tag anymore? (Thank you, professor_curly!) Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Vlex posted:It's bizarre actually how none of the Venezuelans I have on Facebook (all "working class" people, and youngish) are complaining at all about the situation in the country. I suppose they're all in Puerto Ayacucho, which at least has the advantage of a very active black market with Puerto Carreño/Casuarito on the other side of the river, which might explain why they don't appear to be suffering...they post about the same poo poo my friends at home post about : girls, TV, and memes. It's weird. It's hard for anyone not living there to understand but... that's the life, you know? Things are extremely lovely but you have to find some way to cope and try and have fome fun. Obviously I left before things got extreme (well, I thought they were extreme at the time, but i was proven wrong), but despite it all I tried to find recreation as well. The lack of food, the lack of money, the lack of any kind of safety... we grew up in that enviroment. It's worse than before, sure, but we either adapt and try to make a life out of it or just wither and die. We're not going to post on Facebook about how we almost got robbed, because it happens everyday. Or about doing a line for food, because it has to be done every week. It's part of life now. Besides Venezuelans are (mostly) joking and lighthearted people in general, so making light of the situation is something we tend to do a lot. There are some that think this way of living is one of the reasons things have gotten so bad: we take everything in a jokingly manner instead of reacting more forcefully.
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Paraguay has called for a MERCOSUR meeting for today, and every member except Venezuela will be there. The purpose of the meeting will be to discuss Venezuela's presidency. Paraguayan Foreign Affairs Minister Eladio Loizaga said this about the meeting:quote:We're going to talk about how to face these next six months. Maybe we can start reviewing the Protocol of Adherence for Venezuela so that we can correct this issue around the presidency, and that way calmly continue with the alphabetical order so that Argentina can take on the presidency. MERCOSUR's presidency is rotated in six-month blocks alphabetically. Uruguay had it until last week, so Venezuela claims that it has it not, but it looks like MERCOSUR will try to pass it on to Argentina, which is next. Also, PSUV deputy Elias Jaua gave a bit of a speech yesterday at an event to commemorate the Constituent Assembly of 1999, which created the country's Bolivarian Constitution. Jaua explained yesterday that Venezuelans are actually hilariously confused about their constitutional rights: quote:This constitution gave political power back to the people. [The people are] the origin of power, sovereign power. And [the constitution] gave them tools to preserve that power. I want to say something here today: the tools that are that so that the people don't lose sovereignty as are the [recall] referendum in its different forms or the right to rebel in [article] 350 were thought about (...) they were thought about to defend the power of the people before the oligarchy. The recall is to recall oligarchical governments, not popular, democratic governments like the one you [Maduro] have. Article 350 is there to rebel against the oligarchy, as we did on April 13. TL;DR: The constitution gives the people power (which you can only use when we allow you to, to do only those things that we allow you to do). As a side note, Article 350 of the constitution is pretty cool because it establishes the duty to rebel against tyrannical rule (so long as it's not the PSUV): quote:Article 350: The people of Venezuela, true to their republican tradition and their struggle for independence, peace and freedom, shall disown any regime, legislation or authority that violates democratic values, principles and guarantees or encroaches upon human rights. Hugoon Chavez posted:Besides Venezuelans are (mostly) joking and lighthearted people in general, so making light of the situation is something we tend to do a lot. There are some that think this way of living is one of the reasons things have gotten so bad: we take everything in a jokingly manner instead of reacting more forcefully. I remember that last fall the price for a carton of eggs went up by some insane amount. My cousin who lives in Venezuela was here visiting us, and I remember that we were all just sitting around in the living room depressed talking about the situation in the country and how eggs had gone up in price by over 100% that year. My cousin was scrolling through his phone looking really somber, and then he read a message someone in Venezuela had sent him: "The price of a carton of eggs is now Bs. 700... that's just for the carton. If you want the eggs, you'll have to pay a lot more". We all had a really good laugh and then felt a bit guilty about it.
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Chuck Boone posted:I remember that last fall the price for a carton of eggs went up by some insane amount. My cousin who lives in Venezuela was here visiting us, and I remember that we were all just sitting around in the living room depressed talking about the situation in the country and how eggs had gone up in price by over 100% that year. My cousin was scrolling through his phone looking really somber, and then he read a message someone in Venezuela had sent him: "The price of a carton of eggs is now Bs. 700... that's just for the carton. If you want the eggs, you'll have to pay a lot more". We all had a really good laugh and then felt a bit guilty about it. This is a pretty good example of how laughter and joking are effective coping mechanisms. Sometimes it's either that or crying.
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I dont know posted:This is a pretty good example of how laughter and joking are effective coping mechanisms. Sometimes it's either that or crying. It's literally part of our culture to make fun of our own misery, https://www.elchiguirebipolar.net kind of exemplifies that. But a great deal of what makes Venezuela what it is, is the Venezuelan people's inability to take anything seriously. This has good and bad consequences depending on how you look at it.
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fnox posted:It's literally part of our culture to make fun of our own misery, https://www.elchiguirebipolar.net kind of exemplifies that. But a great deal of what makes Venezuela what it is, is the Venezuelan people's inability to take anything seriously. This has good and bad consequences depending on how you look at it. The best part of the Chigüire is that, as time went on, you couldn't really differenciate the Onion-like articles from the real stories. Like Nestor Reverol's appointment. Three years ago that would've been in the Chigüire, now it's in El Nacional. Chuck Boone posted:
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"Inflation allows Venezuelans to understand the meaning of infinity." That's probably my favorite article I saw so far, but I get the feeling using google translate for humor is going to be really unreliable.
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Speaking of "I can't tell if this is real life or not" stories, inmates at the Penitenciaria General de Venezuela [Venezuelan General Penitentiary] (PGV) have been in control of the prison since Monday after staging a mutiny. The inmates are requesting that the authorities transfer 3,000 more inmates into the prison. No, that's not a typo. Can you guess why they'd make that request? It's to increase the pool of victims for the racketeering that takes place in prisons. The inmates in charge of the prison (the pran) charges inmates for protection money, rent for their cell/bed/bedding/clothes, etc. At one point, the inmates were holding 51 people hostage, including 42 prison staff. Late last night, they let 23 hostages go after the authorities transferred 1,380 inmates into the jail. The pran at PGV is apparently a man known as "Franklin La Guaira" (La Guaira is my home town!). Franklin is not currently incarcerated, but he escaped into the prison to avoid being captured by the authorities. Again, that is not a typo: the safest, best place for a criminal in Venezuela to be is inside his own jail. All of this is was happening at the same time that Minister of Penitentiaries Iris Varela said this on Tuesday: "Of course there are no pranes in Venezuelan jails". Negrostrike posted:I'm pretty surprised El Chiguire wasn't censored by the government. Isn't that a possibility? I seem to remember that NTN24, which is a Colombian news network, was/is blocked in Venezuela. It'd be interesting if Venegoons could run down a list of websites and tell us if they're blocked or not. The other one I would expect to be blocked is dolartoday.com, which publishes the black market US dollar exchange rate. wdarkk posted:"Inflation allows Venezuelans to understand the meaning of infinity." That's probably my favorite article I saw so far, but I get the feeling using google translate for humor is going to be really unreliable. Ha! This one's pretty good too: "Venezuelan Olympic Delegation Finds Soap"
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Chuck Boone posted:I seem to remember that NTN24, which is a Colombian news network, was/is blocked in Venezuela. It'd be interesting if Venegoons could run down a list of websites and tell us if they're blocked or not. The other one I would expect to be blocked is dolartoday.com, which publishes the black market US dollar exchange rate. No, I could access dolartoday just fine in both Caracas and Pto. Ayacucho last time I was there. YouTube was blocked in the IVIC for some reason though last time, 12 months ago it was still accessible.
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Vlex posted:No, I could access dolartoday just fine in both Caracas and Pto. Ayacucho last time I was there. YouTube was blocked in the IVIC for some reason though last time, 12 months ago it was still accessible. Could dolartoday.com be up because it's something of a standards-bearer for bolivar-to-USD exchange rates now, and blocking it would lead to unrest because it would cause turmoil in the "markets"? That is, cutting off the up-to-date information it provides for exchange rates would cause problems as no one could be really sure of the exchange value today (or yesterday, or a week ago), leading to chaos. Basically, would blocking dolartoday.com be one of those things that helps to break the camel's back (of the Venezuelan people)?
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Chuck Boone posted:Speaking of "I can't tell if this is real life or not" stories, inmates at the Penitenciaria General de Venezuela [Venezuelan General Penitentiary] (PGV) have been in control of the prison since Monday after staging a mutiny. The inmates are requesting that the authorities transfer 3,000 more inmates into the prison. What the gently caress, how long has it been that way?
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Kthulhu5000 posted:Could dolartoday.com be up because it's something of a standards-bearer for bolivar-to-USD exchange rates now, and blocking it would lead to unrest because it would cause turmoil in the "markets"? That is, cutting off the up-to-date information it provides for exchange rates would cause problems as no one could be really sure of the exchange value today (or yesterday, or a week ago), leading to chaos. Nah, they are trying to block or even shut down dolartoday.com all the time. Most notably, they filed against DolarToday in a US court accusing it of sabotage and "cyber-terrorism". beer_war fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Aug 5, 2016 |
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Kurtofan posted:What the gently caress, how long has it been that way? This would be completely hilarious if it weren't a real place with real people.
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