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Skeesix posted:This is actually a thing I'm worried about : Al Gore got hammered for rolling his eyes at GWB's dumb answers. I'm sure there will be a few eyerolls that Hillary won't be able to restrain. Bush didn't give his answers in a fit of frothing insanity like Trump does.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:28
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Reason posted:Its pretty lovely that the Democrats talk about how they support a $15 an hour minimum wage and how progressive they are, then city councils controlled by democrats do poo poo like this. Soooo progressive. Haha your poo poo posting is as bad as ever quote:a recent opinion by City Attorney Susan Segal, who concluded Minneapolis' charter forbids creating laws by citizen initiate Yup, clearly all about Democrats hating the poor and not about if a citizens initiate to raise the minimum wage would be legal or anything
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Aug 5, 2016 22:28
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Reason posted:Its pretty lovely that the Democrats talk about how they support a $15 an hour minimum wage and how progressive they are, then city councils controlled by democrats do poo poo like this. Soooo progressive. 
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Aug 5, 2016 22:29
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Trabisnikof posted:Yup, clearly all about Democrats hating the poor and not about if a citizens initiate to raise the minimum wage would be legal or anything Democracy!
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Aug 5, 2016 22:29
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Skeesix posted:This is actually a thing I'm worried about : Al Gore got hammered for rolling his eyes at GWB's dumb answers. I'm sure there will be a few eyerolls that Hillary won't be able to restrain. Trump isn't GWB. Hillary would still catch flak for it but at that point she's probably get praised in equal measure.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:32
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Lord Hydronium posted:So in all these projected/hypothetical electoral maps, even the anti-Arzy ones where Hillary is winning Georgia and Arizona, Indiana is always red. How exactly did Obama get it in 2008? Indiana hasn't been polled even once this cycle, so the aggregators are using 2012 data. That's it. This comes up a lot here and in C-SPAM and some people will write long explanations as to why it's redder than surrounding states, some of which actually reflect reality and some of which reflect a Ted Cruz level understanding of Indiana politics, but the answer really is simply "it hasn't been polled this year" Theris fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Aug 5, 2016 |
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Aug 5, 2016 22:33
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Reason posted:Democracy! Your heart and best intentions tell you that's true but the facts say otherwise.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:34
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Reason posted:Democracy! Like if you came and posted about how we should expand the power of local citizen initiates that would have been one thing. But instead you tried to pretend this was about Democrats hating the poor, when really it was a procedural issue.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:34
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Reason posted:Democracy! Democracy doesn't mean you can ignore the law. You'd have to change it first.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:36
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Trabisnikof posted:Like if you came and posted about how we should expand the power of local citizen initiates that would have been one thing. But instead you tried to pretend this was about Democrats hating the poor, when really it was a procedural issue. Its ok keep trying to justify not supporting progressive causes while claiming the democratic party is soooooo progressive
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Aug 5, 2016 22:36
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Oxxidation posted:Trump isn't GWB. I'm constantly amazed over this kind of thing. I mean, did none of these people watch any of the Carter/Reagan debates? That's all Reagan did. Carter would say something and Reagan would laugh and *wink wink nudge nudge* at the audience. But if a democrat does it well I guess they don't want to debate honestly. But St. Reagan? Watch him act like a frat boy and it's nothing but  from the peanut gallery.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:37
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The MRA crowd will get pissy at Hillary clowning Trump but that's about it. Also, they'd get pissy if she didn't clown him too.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:38
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Geniasis posted:Democracy doesn't mean you can ignore the law. You'd have to change it first. Would you say the same to BLM people?
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Aug 5, 2016 22:38
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Reason posted:Its ok keep trying to justify not supporting progressive causes while claiming the democratic party is soooooo progressive You're such a loving lovely troll. The Minneapolis city council voted in favor of raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour earlier this week just not using an initiate. quote:A majority of the Minneapolis City Council voted Wednesday in favor of developing a city minimum wage ordinance to raise the city's minimum wage to $15 per hour. http://kstp.com/news/minneapolis-minimum-wage/4220680/
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Aug 5, 2016 22:39
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I'm the sad Frylock in the pictureBurntCornMuffin posted:He thinks his base is all he needs because he's bought into SILENT MAJORITY. So basically Unskewed Polls 2: Unskew Harder. I hope the GOP keeps making their own delusional echo chamber every election cycle.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:39
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inkblot posted:I'm constantly amazed over this kind of thing. I mean, did none of these people watch any of the Carter/Reagan debates? That's all Reagan did. Carter would say something and Reagan would laugh and *wink wink nudge nudge* at the audience. But if a democrat does it well I guess they don't want to debate honestly. But St. Reagan? Watch him act like a frat boy and it's nothing but
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Aug 5, 2016 22:41
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Josef bugman posted:Would you say the same to BLM people? Well that's a dumb comparison.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:41
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Pander posted:"Today's PPP/Something Awful poll of Texas shows that..." I would contribute to this as well. Please work in at least one question about Jade Helm.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:41
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Barudak posted:in the nowcast Louisiana goes Trump and Georgia doesn't and I don't want to live in a world where I admit that Atlanta has literally anything better about it than New Orleans One of the debates is up against Falcons @ Saints, are you going to watch the debate or football? Both debates with NFL conflicts are NFC South matchups, the other debate is against Bucs @ Panthers.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:42
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:To be fair this sort of thing is mostly about personality. Blowing off your opponent works a lot better if you do it like a folksy good ol' boy like Reagan, rather than just looking bored and contemptuous. Honestly I'm not sure Hillary could pull it off well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfWgiaB41A
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Dexo posted:Well that's a dumb comparison. More than likely. I can understand people saying "this is a procedural issue and the thing will be put forward and, etc etc." but to basically go "law is the law" always seems a bit weird. The law doesn't just change if you work in the system, unfortunately.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:43
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Trabisnikof posted:You're such a loving lovely troll. Yet look at all the replies they get every time they squeeze out a new post. 
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Aug 5, 2016 22:43
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Oxxidation posted:Trump isn't GWB. The mere fact that she will have to treat him as a legitimate candidate for the job and show him some respect is pretty hosed up because we all know Donald is not going to play by those rules. Which is just further evidence to support the very legit probability that Donald will be declared winner of the first debate no matter what happens.
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Trabisnikof posted:Like if you came and posted about how we should expand the power of local citizen initiates that would have been one thing. But instead you tried to pretend this was about Democrats hating the poor, when really it was a procedural issue. Also, the way the article present it, it sounds like it was actually a $15 minimum immediately referendum. Not a slow workup to it or a deadline set several years from now. It's good to see that the council is directly taking measures to establish the $15 minimum, though.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:44
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Evil Fluffy posted:Yet look at all the replies they get every time they squeeze out a new post. Some of us are still traumatized from John Kerry
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Aug 5, 2016 22:44
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What a joke. Instead of supporting an initiative that will put into place a real $15 an hour minimum wage it will be something like, "These businesses are exempt, these business won't need to pay $15 an hour until 2020 etc." Sooooo progressive! Democrats ignoring the will of the people is such a progressive thing! A real progressive thing would probably be to let the people pass it and have a court try to strike it down like with super special first city with $15 an hour minimum wage Seatac. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Josef bugman posted:Would you say the same to BLM people? No, I wouldn't say the same thing to a group of private citizens protesting the system that I would to a group of elected officials acting in said capacity whose raison d'être in that role is to advance the interests of their constituents within the system. I expect a boat to be seaworthy. I don't make the same demands of Honda Civic.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:48
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Reason posted:What a joke. Instead of supporting an initiative that will put into place a real $15 an hour minimum wage it will be something like, "These businesses are exempt, these business won't need to pay $15 an hour until 2020 etc." Sooooo progressive! Democrats ignoring the will of the people is such a progressive thing! A real progressive thing would probably be to let the people pass it and have a court try to strike it down like with super special first city with $15 an hour minimum wage Seatac. Wait, I'm confused what's going on here.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:49
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Reason posted:What a joke. Instead of supporting an initiative that will put into place a real $15 an hour minimum wage it will be something like, "These businesses are exempt, these business won't need to pay $15 an hour until 2020 etc." Sooooo progressive! Democrats ignoring the will of the people is such a progressive thing! A real progressive thing would probably be to let the people pass it and have a court try to strike it down like with super special first city with $15 an hour minimum wage Seatac. Hahaha are you seriously just trying to look like an idiot? You should probably read the link you quoted because the initiative you are arguing Minneapolis should change their city charter to allow is exactly what you claim to hate: quote:A group called 15 Now Minnesota has spent months petitioning, collecting thousands of signatures. It wants the minimum wage to increase in increments until it reaches $15 in 2020 for small businesses (employers with fewer than 500 employees) and $15 in 2022 for large businesses (employers with 500 or more employees). The initiate you claim is soooo progressive treats Walmart better than any small business.
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Reason posted:What a joke. Instead of supporting an initiative that will put into place a real $15 an hour minimum wage it will be something like, "These businesses are exempt, these business won't need to pay $15 an hour until 2020 etc." Sooooo progressive! Democrats ignoring the will of the people is such a progressive thing! A real progressive thing would probably be to let the people pass it and have a court try to strike it down like with super special first city with $15 an hour minimum wage Seatac. Look, the goalposts, they're scurrying! On little legs. How cute.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:51
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greatn posted:Hell, do a GoFundMe I will contribute the the SA poll GoFundMe. It will be the first successful crowd project SA has ever done.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:51
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I don't know how much candidates are allowed to bring to the debates in terms of notes, but I honestly think Clinton's best strategy for the debates would be to show up with a list of quotes from Trump about various major issues, with one from each side (because he's been on both sides of pretty much every issue throughout the campaign). For every question, she should just let Trump talk, then fire back with, "Well, you say X, but on <date>, you said, and I quote, 'opposite of X.'" If he tries to weasel out and claim he never said that, she can just encourage the audience and everyone watching at home to look it up themselves on the source's website. One of Trump's "strengths", if you can call it that, is that he occupies basically every position on every issue at once because nobody ever really challenges him when he contradicts himself. If Clinton actually forces him to take a stand on some position, it'll turn out that either he doesn't actually have a position, or his position is a horrible one. I don't know how Trump could make that look good.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:53
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Reason posted:Sooooo progressive! I assume you're trying to get a rise with the repetition but realtalk it just makes me read your posts in a Vizzini voice.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:53
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Visceral Realism posted:It was a bit of perfect storm--he started with a boost of popularity due to media markets bleeding over from IL, and then the long primary forced him to build a pretty good ground game there to beat Hillary, which he pretty much kept intact until the election. The biggest thing to remember was that Obama's 2008 was steeped in a lot of language of bipartisanship, and for a while there was a decent bloc of moderate republicans that liked him, although that faded with Wright et al. He hung onto a a chunk of them though and that kept it close enough that big turnout in Gary, Indianapolis, South Bend, Bloomington and Evansville could get him over the top. I think being good friends with Dick Luger also helped. There aren't any more Republicans left like him 
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axeil posted:I will contribute the the SA poll GoFundMe. 
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Aug 5, 2016 22:55
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Donkwich posted:I'm the sad Frylock in the picture It is always hilarious to see the floundering with their delusions. Especially with Trump where they have to desperately tiptoe around the fact that he's spewing their talking points all the time while they try to condemn him.
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axeil posted:I will contribute the the SA poll GoFundMe. Pretty sure we managed to crowdfund a truly terrible porn video. 
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A remember a while back goons donated five figures to permaban someone. I think it was towards a school or Haiti or something.
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