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Lurdiak posted:Of all the Batman villains, Joker probably cares the most about the perception of his crimes. Yeah:  DoctorWhat posted:Yeah, like the Joker doesn't have some deeply-held anti-racist beliefs. He doesn't have ANY beliefs, really. Yeah: 
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redbackground posted:It doesn't need to be pointed out because uh, everyone knows? Looking at that cover, I feel like there was a missed opportunity for Bucky to lament the loss of Jason Todd's life. You know, back when both of them were not alive again 
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Aug 5, 2016 15:57
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This just makes me think of Odin Quincannon in Preacher.
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Aug 5, 2016 16:08
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...but which is the hams on a spear, and which is Wondy? I seriously can't tell them apart!!
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Aug 5, 2016 19:12
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Ensign_Ricky posted:...but which is the hams on a spear, and which is Wondy? I seriously can't tell them apart!! 
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Aug 5, 2016 19:26
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Goddamn it, silver age.
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Aug 5, 2016 19:34
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Begemot posted:I liked it more when it happened at the end of The Rocketeer. Bruceski posted:Again, think of a comedian crafting a joke. Sure you wanna make folks laugh, but ideally you want them to laugh at the joke you're trying to tell. The Best Joker has always been the True Believer Joker wherein everything is dripping with symbolism and he wants you to SEE his reality, the real reality. He has the moral conviction to get his message out and his vital mission done in any way necessary. When he's random chaos things get boring and wanky.
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Duke Igthorn posted:The Best Joker has always been the True Believer Joker wherein everything is dripping with symbolism and he wants you to SEE his reality, the real reality. He has the moral conviction to get his message out and his vital mission done in any way necessary. When he's random chaos things get boring and wanky. Pretentious rear end in a top hat Joker is just as bad as lolrandom Joker.
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Aug 5, 2016 20:08
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The Joker has always been bad. He's easily the least interesting Batman Rogue by miles, and I'm including dudes like Falcone and Joe Chill and Schumacher's version of Bane.
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Aug 5, 2016 20:25
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Crowetron posted:The Joker has always been bad. He's easily the least interesting Batman Rogue by miles, and I'm including dudes like Falcone and Joe Chill and Schumacher's version of Bane. I loved Batman & Robin as a kid so that was my perception of Bane for most of my life. Easily that movie's worst genuinely terrible aspect. Speaking of Joe Chill, a funny panel. Did you know Bruce Wayne had a nanny growing up? Well, get ready for the twist of the century:  (it's hilarious because it's convoluted and stupid) WickedHate fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Aug 5, 2016 |
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Aug 5, 2016 20:33
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I think the Joker is like Wolverine: an entirely decent and interesting character who is heavily overexposed for marketing reasons.
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Aug 5, 2016 20:37
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Max Chill is my hacker alias
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Crowetron posted:The Joker has always been bad. He's easily the least interesting Batman Rogue by miles, and I'm including dudes like Falcone and Joe Chill and Schumacher's version of Bane. I like that previous clip where a psychopathic mass murderer thinks being a nazi is a bridge too far. DC really should sit on Joker for about five years and let the stink wear off of him.
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Trast posted:I like that previous clip where a psychopathic mass murderer thinks being a nazi is a bridge too far. DC really should sit on Joker for about five years and let the stink wear off of him. That's not a DC thing. Remember the panel of Dr. Doom, murderous dictator, shedding a single tear over 9/11?
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JoshTheStampede posted:That's not a DC thing. Remember the panel of Dr. Doom, murderous dictator, shedding a single tear over 9/11? He was sad because he didn't do it first. He owned the insurance company that was going to have to pay out to all of the victims. It was a malfunctioning Doombot. He was the more recent incarnation of Doom that is trying to be a "good person". Take your pick. Some Pinko Commie fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 5, 2016 |
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Wade Wilson posted:He was sad because he didn't do it first. The Latverian Embassy was in the WTC, and he was mourning the loss of all the Doombots who staffed it.
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I just realized that, quite aside from the whole 'Doom shedding a tear over an atrocity much smaller than he's used to committing' thing, that the narration is implying that the terrorists are not human. And not in the fun 'actually a Skrull' way.
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Applies:  Also applies: Seinfeld 9/11 Script
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FredMSloniker posted:I just realized that, quite aside from the whole 'Doom shedding a tear over an atrocity much smaller than he's used to committing' thing, that the narration is implying that the terrorists are not human. And not in the fun 'actually a Skrull' way. Kingpin I can see having a "The only person who gets to terrorize my town is ME" attitude, but Magneto has murdered way more than 3000 people on multiple occasions.
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Trast posted:I like that previous clip where a psychopathic mass murderer thinks being a nazi is a bridge too far. DC really should sit on Joker for about five years and let the stink wear off of him. I think it's a good beat for the Joker. a) It's funny, and the Joker knows this. He's aware of the irony in his statement and loves hamming it up for a crowd. It's also slightly funnier if he means it. b) I think it's perfectly reasonable that a character so much larger-than-life would find bigotry distasteful or boring despite being evil as hell himself. Sure, real life people with a rapsheet anything like the Joker's are usually small-minded monsters who are more likely to be racist than not, but the Joker is anything but realistic. Many iterations of the character have him thinking of himself as a performance artist who is making some kind of absurd (or occasionally high-faluting) statement through murder and mayhem. I could believe that the kind of villain who murders on the basis of petty bigotry alone is as annoying to him as your standard skilled comedian finds Jeff Dunham cracking wise at the Chuckle Hut.
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It makes perfect sense to me that the Joker would hate groups who have the power to commit genocide/mass murder but do it WRONG.
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JoshTheStampede posted:It makes perfect sense to me that the Joker would hate groups who have the power to commit genocide/mass murder but do it WRONG. It makes perfect sense to me that Joker would hate groups that limit the scope of their murderous tendencies to just certain other groups. Murder equality for all. Everyone has the right to die by Joker's machinations.
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X-O posted:It makes perfect sense to me that Joker would hate groups that limit the scope of their murderous tendencies to just certain other groups. Murder equality for all. Everyone has the right to die by Joker's machinations. Sure, but Joker doesn't want to kill EVERYONE. There'd be no one around to appreciate it.
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He's an agent of chaos, that alone should make him hate the Nazis
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Too much paperwork, that was the problem! I'd file it under the same sort of comedy as when the Joker refuses to go against the IRS, since he may be mad but he's not crazy - there's no point in getting bent out of shape about why a murderous psycho would be intimidated by the IRS, it's just a classic bit that goes back to Al Capone going down for tax evasion. Can't remember where that was from though.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Sure, but Joker doesn't want to kill EVERYONE. There'd be no one around to appreciate it. Yes, but everyone has the equal right to death should he so choose.
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Crowetron posted:The Joker has always been bad. He's easily the least interesting Batman Rogue by miles, and I'm including dudes like Falcone and Joe Chill and Schumacher's version of Bane. The Cesar Romero Joker was okay. (Frank Gorshin's Riddler was a better Joker, though.)
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IIRC, isn't that the comic that had Juggernaut there, even though Juggs knocked down the WTC himself once?
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X-O posted:Yes, but everyone has the equal right to death should he so choose. Some of the best comedians are Jewish, the Joker likes funny people.
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The best Joker is 'Crime as performance art' Joker a la B:TAS and Burton's Batman 89. Joker in the comics around those years was pretty similar. I've posted his movie director caper he pulled against AzBats in this thread already, I believe. Captain Bravo posted:Some of the best comedians are Jewish, the Joker likes funny people. I also love this, the Joker who loves old comedy routines, as seen in Going Sane. It's a great counterpart to something I love about Batman, when he loves classic adventure movies because of Zorro. There's a story where he's trying to save some old actor from a serial killer who targeted senior citizens and he thinks "He knew Douglas Fairbanks. He can't die." Come to think of it both of those stories were in Legends of the Dark Knight. Goddamn legends of the dark knight was a great book. purple death ray fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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Byzantine posted:IIRC, isn't that the comic that had Juggernaut there, even though Juggs knocked down the WTC himself once? Yeah, X-Force/Spider-man crossover.
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Dolash posted:Too much paperwork, that was the problem! Joker's Millions episode of the Conroy / Hammel cartoon.
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You were watching goldfinger again last night your excellency?
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Skwirl posted:Joker's Millions episode of the Conroy / Hammel cartoon. Also happened in an old Bill Finger story with the same name. I'd say the cartoon episode was based on it but... uh, never saw that episode to confirm.
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Rhyno posted:Yeah, X-Force/Spider-man crossover. Yeah, was one of the earliest comics I bought, like X-Force #4 I think  Also, I grew up with B:TAS Joker, so that's the good joker, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ickFVmtWoco
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Travis343 posted:I also love this, the Joker who loves old comedy routines, as seen in Going Sane. It's a great counterpart to something I love about Batman, when he loves classic adventure movies because of Zorro. There's a story where he's trying to save some old actor from a serial killer who targeted senior citizens and he thinks "He knew Douglas Fairbanks. He can't die." Come to think of it both of those stories were in Legends of the Dark Knight. There's also probably the best episode of B:TAS, where Batman teams up with the actor that played the Gray Ghost, one of his favorite shows as a kid. That was also I think one of the first times Adam West played a character specifically playing off being Adam West.
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Cleretic posted:There's also probably the best episode of B:TAS, where Batman teams up with the actor that played the Gray Ghost, one of his favorite shows as a kid. That's a good episode, but it doesn't even make my top 10. That show has a lot of good episodes.
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Lurdiak posted:That's a good episode, but it doesn't even make my top 10. That show has a lot of good episodes. I hope the one with the giant farm animals is your number one, as it should be for everyone.
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