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DontMockMySmock posted:The distance is minimal - like 30 squares. They often don't have bots running between them, even when there are 20 requested and hundreds in the provider chest. I was just trying to avoid using too many belts because this part of my base is pretty cramped. Is it possible that the bots are pulling from a different provider chest that's further away?
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Renegret posted:Is it possible that the bots are pulling from a different provider chest that's further away? Nope, there's only the one chest for each rocket part.
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 So a few things to look at, when you mouseover a requestor chest. Are your filters showing correctly? Is anything scheduled for delivery? Does what's in the chest plus what's scheduled for delivery add up to the filter? How many available logistics bots do you have (In this example I have 212 available out of 2608 total logistics bots). Finally, look at "Logistic system storage" at the bottom (cut off by my weapons, I hope they fix that UI "bug" soon). Do your rocket parts show up in storage? Is it possible your two chests are in different logistics networks?
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Aug 9, 2016 22:00
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Is there anyway to make a filter inserter grab everything?
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Aug 9, 2016 22:18
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Factorio's own zen koan. Isn't that just a fast inserter?
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FISHMANPET posted:
Didn't realize this mouseover existed, super helpful, thanks. Things are scheduled for delivery and the number of available bots is in the thousands, so that's not the problem. But I think I know what's happening, and it's stupid. I've got a bunch of bots working way across my base (far, far away) moving other poo poo around, and because of that, the logistic bots seem to like to live there. When a bot finishes delivering a rocket part, it fucks off to that area, rather than settle in one of the nearby roboports. So it seems that the network, rather than request the nearest unused bot to carry poo poo, instead prioritizes ones that are flying already. So the bots that should be delivering my rocket parts are incredibly likely to get called off to do other, much more frequently requested stuff. Meanwhile, when the requests for rocket stuff come in, they're likely to have no nearby bots to request (since they've already been requested to go off and do the other stuff), so they have to request a dormant bot from far, far away. Adding more bots to the network near where the rocket silos are, which I've done a bunch already, doesn't seem to help - they get requested away to the far away zone and then lie dormant there. So it seems as long as there is a lot of activity on the network that is far away, the bots are going to be likely to be called far away, and then end up dormant there. I wish there was a way to tell the network to prioritize "waking up" new bots rather than request ones from across the map, but I don't think that's possible.
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Aug 9, 2016 22:28
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Getting bots to live in the right roboport should be a saturation issue? Add more bots or configure less tasks around the roboports far away that are hogging bots. Like the behavior that its stealing bots you personally place into the roboport of interest says to me the network is overworked for the amount of bots.
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Aug 9, 2016 22:34
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 this is what power consumption looks like if you forget to close factorio when you go to sleep
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Aug 9, 2016 23:53
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Cosmik Debris posted:Is there anyway to make a filter inserter grab everything? If you have something valid set in the logistics or circuit filters, then leaving the item filters empty means it will grab anything.
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zedprime posted:Factorio's own zen koan. pretty sure they're faster than fast inserters now. I could be wrong but I swore I noticed a huge increase in throughput when I switched out a train stop for them.
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Cosmik Debris posted:pretty sure they're faster than fast inserters now. I could be wrong but I swore I noticed a huge increase in throughput when I switched out a train stop for them. They're the same speed. Unless you're using mods, then of course all bets are off. quote:type = "inserter", quote:type = "inserter", Filter inserters use a little more power though, so if your base was operating on a power deficit, fast inserters would be a little faster.
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Cosmik Debris posted:pretty sure they're faster than fast inserters now. I could be wrong but I swore I noticed a huge increase in throughput when I switched out a train stop for them. Quick dumb question - you weren't actually using filter stack inserters, were you?
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I finally got the under 8 hours achievement. I got the under 15 hours achievement oh my last run because I took around 9 1/2 hours. This time I was over time by around 30 minutes, so I rolled back to a save at around the 6 1/2 hours mark and did a few things differently (including using productivity modules in my goddamn silo) and eked out a win in about 7:55 total time. Now I can finally stop being obsessed with this game for a while.
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Anony Mouse posted:I finally got the under 8 hours achievement. I got the under 15 hours achievement oh my last run because I took around 9 1/2 hours. This time I was over time by around 30 minutes, so I rolled back to a save at around the 6 1/2 hours mark and did a few things differently (including using productivity modules in my goddamn silo) and eked out a win in about 7:55 total time. Now I can finally stop being obsessed with this game for a while. Well done, I keep putting it off and puttering about in modded games. Gotlag: isn't this what you were looking for? https://mods.factorio.com/mods/craftobot/RailLogicSystem
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Ignoranus posted:Quick dumb question - you weren't actually using filter stack inserters, were you? Umm probably haha. I don't really understand how stack inserting works. Don't I just research the upgrade and then all my inserters move more?
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Cosmik Debris posted:Umm probably haha. I don't really understand how stack inserting works. Don't I just research the upgrade and then all my inserters move more? Some inserters, the green and white ones, are stack inserters that grab much more at a time than other inserters can. Others can grab three or so with all research, stack inserters can grab fifteen or so. Throughput is increased by removing lag from moving the arm around for every few items.
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Green inserters used to be filter inserters. Now they're stack inserters. That's why you thought filters were moving more. Filters are purple now, greens are regular stack inserter, and whites are stack filter inserters.
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All those types of inserters and still only one long handled inserter... Q.Q
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I actually hope they put in a long-handed stack inserter. Granted, most times you use red inserters, they're because something needs specialty/more than 2 components, or you're making something akin to this: The fact that underground belts of all types are long enough to go under an assembler and still leave room for an inserter to yank items off them is amazing though. And yes, off to the right that is a basic inserter feeding out to the side to a long handed so it can feed a red (it feeds a blue on the other side).
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Gadzuko posted:Green inserters used to be filter inserters. Now they're stack inserters. That's why you thought filters were moving more. Filters are purple now, greens are regular stack inserter, and whites are stack filter inserters. you gotta be kidding me. im sitting here playing this poo poo for like 50 hours and didn't even notice there were more types of inserters...
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While going through /r/factorio on imgur I found this  solar panel / accumulator setup that I think I'm going to try doing for my next factory. Just uses basic steel power poles and roboports, no substations required.
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Cosmik Debris posted:you gotta be kidding me. im sitting here playing this poo poo for like 50 hours and didn't even notice there were more types of inserters... No, he's not kidding the joke is definitely on you. Pay attention in class  The weekly Friday Facts is up earlier than usual: https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-151 quote:0.14 plans So there you go, just about every moan or complaint from the last few dozen pages. Now we just have to wait a couple of months to get it. The rest of the FFF goes into a bit more detail on each subject, go read it. Ratzap fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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quote:Nuclear power I want a clone of modded Minecraft's Mekanism fusion power in Factorio. Deuterium from seawater, tritium from neutron activation of lithium also from seawater, takes a bit to get the machines up and a hefty power injection to start the reaction but once you do it's free power forever with just a bit of power used for fuel processing. It all comes from the ocean.
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And in keeping with the Factorio theme, water patches you're exploiting slowly but surely are drained leaving behind dead fish and dried up mud. 
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I look forward to the bug reports related to multithreading. Ambaire posted:I want a clone of modded Minecraft's Mekanism fusion power in Factorio. Deuterium from seawater, tritium from neutron activation of lithium also from seawater, takes a bit to get the machines up and a hefty power injection to start the reaction but once you do it's free power forever with just a bit of power used for fuel processing. It all comes from the ocean. So make it?
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Go post it on their board if you really have a strong opinion. The FFF specifically asks for suggestions - speak up or forever hold your peace you know.
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Ratzap posted:Go post it on their board if you really have a strong opinion. The FFF specifically asks for suggestions - speak up or forever hold your peace you know. Ambaire posted:I want a clone of modded Minecraft's Mekanism fusion power in Factorio. Deuterium from seawater, tritium from neutron activation of lithium also from seawater, takes a bit to get the machines up and a hefty power injection to start the reaction but once you do it's free power forever with just a bit of power used for fuel processing. It all comes from the ocean. And... thread posted in suggestion forums.
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Gibbo posted:I look forward to the bug reports related to multithreading.
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I don't doubt their ability to do it. But that poo poo is hard, and can result in "interesting" scenarios. I wouldn't be surprised if they mention some things in the Friday facts that were/are frustrating the programmers.
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Finally started playing this again. I forgot how fun setting up a factory can be... except now I have to relearn oil!ShadowHawk posted:This is one of the few games ever that seems to be developed with proper software practices (automated test suite!), so it's entirely plausible multithreading will turn out pretty reasonable. I honestly wish I could spend a day looking at their code. The game seems so good on the software side. Gibbo posted:I don't doubt their ability to do it. But that poo poo is hard, and can result in "interesting" scenarios. I wouldn't be surprised if they mention some things in the Friday facts that were/are frustrating the programmers. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a few stabs at multithreading, then find out the overhead isn't worth the gains they're getting. That's the other possible issue with multithreading. But yeah, the race condition bugs are gonna be great.
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This is the most amazing post in the whole thread.
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ModeSix posted:This is the most amazing post in the whole thread. It really is.
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MrYenko posted:It really is. Trying to grab something going fast enough to snap all your pudgy wee fingers is not a terribly smart move. Yanking out the power would be my first choice.
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Ratzap posted:Trying to grab something going fast enough to snap all your pudgy wee fingers is not a terribly smart move. Yanking out the power would be my first choice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CiE32h55HI Anony Mouse fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Where did the last 8 hours go? I love this game. I'm at the point in the game where I'm running out of things to research but my factory feels really small. Guess I should start mass producing more things. Also blueprints are awesome but also kind of make things too easy, at least if you're using blueprint string. I don't have to fiddle around with oil -> petroleum gas production when I have a 100% efficient factory already blueprinted. Also I know I dissed it earlier, but Gotlag, your Side Inserter mod is really cool and helpful. I've only used it a little, but it's nice for making things squeeze into slightly tighter spaces. Edit: I made a silly thing.  It shows the rough average of how saturated your belts are. Fully saturated is 8 items, but if things are moving it'll count as 7. Each light is wired as "Anything > N" (N = 0 to 6). The arithmetic combinator just divides by the number of wired belts (5). EDIT: I should not be allowed to play this game when tired.   It's so Solumin fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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A new mod! Wireless Networks  http://imgur.com/a/KLouR
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That sounds really awesome! Great job (as usual). Do you do all the art for your mods yourself? It always looks really good. This part of the mod description is confusing me: quote:Signal output is automatically adjusted to produce the net total signal across the network. For example, if you have a chest with 100 iron plates connected to mast A, and a chest with 5 iron plates connected to mast B, mast A will output 5 and mast B will output 100 iron plates, to give a total signal of 105 iron plates at each end. Either I don't understand what's going on or this is backwards. I would assume that A would output 100 and B would output 5 and those two signals are added together, just like in normal circuit networks. The other way around seems counterintuitive...
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Chest at A = 100, mast at A = 5, total at A network: 105 Chest at B = 5, mast at B = 100, total at B network: 105
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Saw this thing at Reddit https://zippy.gfycat.com/ThreadbareEnviousLangur.webm https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/4xlite/cycling_numberlabel_display/
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