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The failure of the WiiU is well-trod ground at this point.
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Polo-Rican posted:I really think that if the Wii U had launched with Nintendoland and Mario Maker rather than Nintendoland and Yet Another New Stupid Mario Brothers the console could have been a success. Everyone I've shown mario maker to who doesn't have a wii u is smitten! I agree with this except for "Stupid" since NSMBU and LuigiU are actually good, just not really "new" anymore. I don't think there is anything to "gamepad killed WiiU". I do think it was much more "marketing of gamepad and WiiU killed WiiU" That anyone except grannies with dementia thought it was a peripheral for an old system was a huge problem, and pretty much everyone who isn't a turbonerd (like us) did for quite some time. This is down to the naming convention and the lack of showing off the system as a whole, and then the system essentially looking just like a Wii anyhow, rather than anything to do with the gamepad itself.
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Aug 10, 2016 14:58
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Well the cost of the gamepad per unit probably didn't help.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:03
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Sony is now announcing the PS4 Neo in early September, which one would assume is around when Nintendo wanted to talk about NX. I wonder how that'll shake out.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:39
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Dr Cheeto posted:The high-cap battery should have come standard, but I'm not sure how a company could both make the gamepad an add-on peripheral and do more cool stuff with it. If it didn't come standard nobody would have done much of anything with it. The Gamepad came standard and still no developer used the piece of poo poo other than a glorified menu; wonderful, it only took a massive controller with a huge screen on it so I wouldn't have to press start, a problem I never had. They could have shoved in gyro to the pro controller for things like Splatoon.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:55
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Sony is now announcing the PS4 Neo in early September, which one would assume is around when Nintendo wanted to talk about NX. I wonder how that'll shake out. The dumb rumor I heard is this is actually going to be the Vita 2 announcement. Nintendo merely said they would announce NX details in the fall, which I would presume means a Nintendo direct on December 20th at 11:59 pm Hawaii time. greatn fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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s.i.r.e. posted:The Gamepad came standard and still no developer used the piece of poo poo other than a glorified menu; wonderful, it only took a massive controller with a huge screen on it so I wouldn't have to press start, a problem I never had. Splatoon needs it's second screen for coordinating which teammate you'll jump towards or where you want to set up an Inkstrike. There's no way it could be played with a normal controller when the GamePad is being used with it to its fullest capacity.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:58
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s.i.r.e. posted:The Gamepad came standard and still no developer used the piece of poo poo other than a glorified menu; This isn't true at all but don't let me keep you from having the standard goon meltdown over Nintendo hardware.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:02
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Alfalfa The Roach posted:Splatoon needs it's second screen for coordinating which teammate you'll jump towards or where you want to set up an Inkstrike. There's no way it could be played with a normal controller when the GamePad is being used with it to its fullest capacity. I mean..there's about 1000 different ways they could've just used the main screen for maps/jumps/strikes and acting like there isn't is really dumb.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:03
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Kashuno posted:going third party has been great for Sega, ofc kinda has though? idk i dont get ur point here sorry Trent posted:I concede that dual shock is closer to modern controllers, but N64 had right hand directional input first (not better) and the trigger on the back rather than just shoulder buttons on top was a big deal. People also seem to forget that analog was a huge move. That Sony moved the tech along a year later doesnt erase this. wasnt even first analog at all though lmao the ps1 had an analog controller before the n64 even released! controllers with single analog sticks have existed in some form since the late 80s even. what made them take off was using two on a sensible controller, not the n64s three ponged piece of poo poo having a single bad stick. the basis for modern pads are sega pads and the dual shock. nintendo pads are largly irrelevant. Trent posted:Expansion slots, force feedback, right-side directional control, trigger opposite stick, and analog inputs. Not just one innovation. expansion slots: no one uses them force feedback: existed long before the n64, and its implementation wasnt the one taken forward at all right side directional control: again done by other pads for a long time, and what was successful was right side control with a second stick trigger opposite stick: not the first, also not relevant to anything other than nintendo controllers. analog inputs: seeabove. Trent posted:Ever seen a wiimote? You know, one of if not the best selling controller of all time? lets go off console sales and assume 1 console = one pad for simplicity. ps1 obviously shipped originally without a dualshock but given its early adoption and extra pads and simplicitys sake i dont care actually: wii motes: 100 million xbox 360/one pads: 100 million dual shocks: nearly 400 million hmmmmmmmmmm lol
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Aug 10, 2016 16:08
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Dr Cheeto posted:This isn't true at all but don't let me keep you from having the standard goon meltdown over Nintendo hardware. its completely true because no one developed anyhting for the wii u so no one used the pad lol
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Aug 10, 2016 16:09
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Kashuno posted:I mean..there's about 1000 different ways they could've just used the main screen for maps/jumps/strikes and acting like there isn't is really dumb. how would they have done that
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Aug 10, 2016 16:11
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Stux posted:its completely true because no one developed anyhting for the wii u so no one used the pad lol Welcome back, Stux
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Aug 10, 2016 16:12
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BillmasterCozb posted:how would they have done that probably the same way other games w similar features do it idk
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Aug 10, 2016 16:12
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I hated using the map on the controller for Splatoon. Sure it was fine but I would have rather had the option to bring a map up on my TV screen and use it that way. There's no reason each team member couldn't have a button assigned to them, open the map and press the button and off you go. They could have made a cursor controlled by one of the sticks to place ink strikes, etc. Looking down at the map was disorienting for me and killed the flow of the game for me.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:12
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Wildtortilla posted:There's no reason each team member couldn't have a button assigned to them, open the map and press the button and off you go. Squid beakons
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Aug 10, 2016 16:14
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*splatoon player watches ow player using mercy jump 2 team mates and cod player call in airstrikes all without dumb gamepad with a tablet inside it* what wizardry is this...?
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Aug 10, 2016 16:14
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Stux posted:*splatoon player watches ow player using mercy jump 2 team mates and cod player call in airstrikes all without dumb gamepad with a tablet inside it* Ah yes the ubermenschen that are the Overwatch and Call of Duty players
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Aug 10, 2016 16:19
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Overwatch is a game? I thought it was a genre of porn.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:20
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Stux posted:probably the same way other games w similar features do it idk Dr Cheeto posted:Squid beakons It's really not that hard for a game to pull up a quick map and you click which point you wanna go to all within maybe 2 seconds. Splatoon is a phenomenal game and the controls own. Gyro movement owns. Don't act like maps haven't been done for a long time though.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:21
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Wamdoodle posted:Ah yes the ubermenschen that are the Overwatch and Call of Duty players idk what this has 2 do w anything
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Aug 10, 2016 16:27
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Splatoon is definitely a better game because of the gamepad. Hell, the game even makes great use of the much maligned 2nd screen map.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:32
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I liked Wii Sports golf where you put the gamepad on the ground and could see the ball in sand/etc. with the club head visible. Unfortunately stuff like that means your game requires at least one additional controller of some kind. If only the sides could've detached from the gamepad screen or something...
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Aug 10, 2016 16:33
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Aug 10, 2016 16:33
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Stux posted:idk what this has 2 do w anything Yeah me neither
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Aug 10, 2016 16:34
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im p sure alfalfa was making a joke dont quote me on this tho
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Wamdoodle posted:Yeah me neither i respect this
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Aug 10, 2016 16:45
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Stux posted:wasnt even first analog at all though lmao the ps1 had an analog controller before the n64 even released! quote:The Dual Analog Controller was first displayed under glass at the PlayStation Expo 96-97 which was held from November 1 to November 4, 1996.[1] It was released in Japan in April 1997, coincident with the Japanese releases of analog-capable titles Tobal 2 and Bushido Blade.[2] quote:N64 Release date: 
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Dr Cheeto posted:This isn't true at all but don't let me keep you from having the standard goon meltdown over Nintendo hardware. Nintendoland is the only thing I can think of that did something other than a menu/map/2d-interface on the screen, but that's because it was asymmetrical multiplayer. I'd love some examples where having the gamepad was absolutely necessary and it did something that standard controllers couldn't. The developers surely didn't see the need for it. Wildtortilla posted:I hated using the map on the controller for Splatoon. Sure it was fine but I would have rather had the option to bring a map up on my TV screen and use it that way. There's no reason each team member couldn't have a button assigned to them, open the map and press the button and off you go. They could have made a cursor controlled by one of the sticks to place ink strikes, etc. Looking down at the map was disorienting for me and killed the flow of the game for me. Hey man, you're getting in the way of innovation. Don't stop them from reinventing the wheel.
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Stux posted:dig deeper, i speak of another because this:  is extremely similar to the now traditional thumbstick that all modern controllers have. also not to mention that the PSX controller/dual analog/dual shock is a derivative of the SNES/SFC controller.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Sony is now announcing the PS4 Neo in early September, which one would assume is around when Nintendo wanted to talk about NX. I wonder how that'll shake out. Sept 7th for sony. Nintendo will probably go the week after tgs to get some news cycle to themselves Very funny rumor: fcc filings show sony making/revealing a new vita on sept 7
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Aug 10, 2016 17:15
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Instant Sunrise posted:because this: He's probably talking about the Sega Saturn Nights controller I posted yesterday. Is "being Stux" against the rules yet?
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Aug 10, 2016 17:15
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TheScott2K posted:He's probably talking about the Sega Saturn Nights controller I posted yesterday. that was released a month after the n64 though
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Aug 10, 2016 17:17
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Real hurthling! posted:Sept 7th for sony. Nintendo will probably go the week after tgs to get some news cycle to themselves PSVITANEO
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Aug 10, 2016 17:19
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So help me god the the Sony Vita 2 loving scoops the NX I will never ever stop laughing. Ever.
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Aug 10, 2016 17:29
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Why the gently caress would Sony release another Vita?
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Aug 10, 2016 17:33
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Gorgolflox posted:Why the gently caress would Sony release another Vita? Spite.
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Gorgolflox posted:Why the gently caress would Sony release another Vita? Why did they release the Vita at all?
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Sony: We've learned the lessons of the Vita and are happy to announce the new Vita will use SD cards. SD stands for "Sony Data", it's a new proprietary format we all really think you're going to like.
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