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OSI bean dip posted:No. You're opting to be obtuse and assume I am out to punish the poor when in reality you seem to think that I am out to limit the freedom of low-income persons. you're posting like those posts were aimed at you rather than at a general sentiment that sin taxes are the only way to produce desirable outcomes in purchasing behaviour i am merely being obtuse as a feeble attempt at humour
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a primate posted:you're posting like those posts were aimed at you rather than at a general sentiment that sin taxes are the only way to produce desirable outcomes in purchasing behaviour Okay. If you have a better idea, lay it out.
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Aug 10, 2016 04:44
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Yes, negligible amounts of such which have never been the subject of a proposed ban. You're smart enough to know you're being disingenuous. Jordan7hm posted:Soda is water and sugar and some gas. Why would it possibly cost as much as something that takes months to prepare? The most significant portion of the cost of most beer is taxation. It would still be more expensive than soda if they were taxed the same by volume, but not impressively so. I've been to places where they're the same price.
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OSI bean dip posted:Okay. If you have a better idea, lay it out. im just some rear end in a top hat on a forum for people who like bad posts, but I think subsidies for healthy foods based on income taxes might be a nice balance between paternalism and public health
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a primate posted:im just some rear end in a top hat on a forum for people who like bad posts, but I think subsidies for healthy foods based on income taxes might be a nice balance between paternalism and public health Got it. You object to sales taxes but have no idea about how to discourage people from making bad decisions. At least you're honest about your bad posting.
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PT6A posted:Yes, negligible amounts of such which have never been the subject of a proposed ban. I'm trying to show how a ban on trans fats themselves would be ridiculous, since they're endemic to food that we might actually want to eat. A ban on hydrogenated fats might be closer to the mark
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Aug 10, 2016 04:52
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OSI bean dip posted:Got it. You object to sales taxes but have no idea about how to discourage people from making bad decisions. so access to healthy food is no longer a cause of obesity in low SES populations? I just have a different threshold for wanting to use the food banhammer, but I appreciate your apparent expertise on the subject, stranger from the Internet e: http://www.wellesleyinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Reducing-Childhood-Obesity-in-Ontario.pdf a primate fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 04:55
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Let's go after some really low-hanging fruit while we're at it: ban all food and beverage advertising aimed at minors. No good can come of it.
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Why don't the kids just stop being loving braindead imbeciles?
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Funkdreamer posted:I really, really think you need to reread the thread. OSI suggested that we tax unhealthy foods to subsidize healthy ones and you suggested that eliminating supply management would be a better solution for the specific aim of improving nutrition. Actually, if you go back and read the thread, after OSI posted, I said that "A better way to lower the cost of produce and dairy would be to blow apart supply management for once and for all." The only person who is trying to assert a connection between supply management and nutritional outcomes is you. My comments have been solely related to the price premium supply management places on certain foods. DariusLikewise posted:If you remove supply management and tariffs from dairy we would probably end up importing everything from the US, which has lower standards than our own dairy so in turn yes, supply management is keeping up with quality as well. Again, the CFIA is responsible for determining food quality standards (including for imported food), and eliminating supply management boards would not have an impact on the Agency's existence or capabilities.
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PT6A posted:Let's go after some really low-hanging fruit while we're at it: ban all food and beverage advertising aimed at minors. No good can come of it. I'd be ok with banning all ads aimed at minors honestly but idgaf about the ad industry
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Aug 10, 2016 05:06
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Odobenidae posted:Why don't the kids just stop being loving braindead imbeciles? Because they're kids. You can't hold minors to the same standards you hold adults to, that's why we don't allow them many of the rights we give to adults -- their brains are not sufficiently developed. I thought that should be obvious, no?
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Right, and kids don't feed themselves, their parents do. If anything that makes it more ethical to bombard their budding minds with corporate advertising.
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OSI bean dip posted:Got it. You object to sales taxes but have no idea about how to discourage people from making bad decisions. Making healthy food more affordable solves the problem that healthy food is expensive. What you seem to want is to exercise power over others; to punish them for being poor, which you associate with bad decision-making. I think you may be full of poo poo.
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unknown posted:From one failing ship (PC) to another (real estate)... hahaha, oh please let the crash happen under his watch. Trapick posted:What about eliminating supply management (to lower cost) and having strict health standards for milk/dairy (assuming they're not strict enough already, which I think they are)? Supply management is good for the wallets of some existing dairy farmers, that's it. This is exactly correct but also applies to eggs, chicken and beef as well. At this point, supply management serves no other purpose than to keep small food producers (who would still be subject to food safety regulations which have nothing to do with supply management regulations) out of the market. peter banana fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Nationalize all whole foods and ban farmers markets for being bourgeois splittists from class struggle. Mobilize the cities into the countryside to produce gmo free potatoes and weed. Ban the population from studying science so they can focus on gender studies and Marxist political theory
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Hodgepodge posted:Making healthy food more affordable solves the problem that healthy food is expensive. I want to punish low-income individuals by making good food more accessible to them. Yes. This makes sense if you are a braindead libertarian that feels like this is an assault on freedom to buy poo poo food. All I have said is make unhealthy options more expensive through taxation to subsidize the costs of good food. That is not punishment but I guess in a libertarian sense it must be! Please tell me what your solution is to making produce and dairy cheaper than PC Cola. It is a punishment that teeth rotting, diabetes-causing cola costs $0.50 per litre where relatively healthy milk costs $1.25. Why should a parent be forced to serve their kid this stuff because they otherwise cannot afford healthier options? Why do you want to make poor people unhealthy? Lain Iwakura fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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To be fair, water is even cheaper than cola. It's not like you must decide between cola and milk.
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counterpoint: milk is also not healthy
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You could just add food subsidies out of your general tax base if you wanted to do that. There is no need to have sin taxes pay for food subsidies (nor is that what sin taxes would be used for). The policies aren't interlinked.
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peter banana posted:counterpoint: milk is also not healthy gomad
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Jordan7hm posted:You could just add food subsidies out of your general tax base if you wanted to do that. There is no need to have sin taxes pay for food subsidies (nor is that what sin taxes would be used for). The policies aren't interlinked.
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peter banana posted:counterpoint: milk is also not healthy I'm not going to put water in my tea, now am I?
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peter banana posted:counterpoint: milk is also not healthy Milk is incredibly healthy in moderation. PT6A posted:To be fair, water is even cheaper than cola. It's not like you must decide between cola and milk. This is an important point. Besides, they fulfill different purposes. If you're thirsty, you should drink water. Pop is a treat. Milk is primarily a nutrition source (vitamins, calcium, etc). Saying "I have to choose between pop and milk" is a false equivalence.
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El Scotch posted:I'm not going to put water in my tea, now am I? I think you've been making tea wrong all this time of water is not the largest component thereof.
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Haha vegans gently caress off
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Jordan7hm posted:You could just add food subsidies out of your general tax base if you wanted to do that. There is no need to have sin taxes pay for food subsidies (nor is that what sin taxes would be used for). The policies aren't interlinked. Good luck getting the population behind sane tax policy. El Scotch posted:I'm not going to put water in my tea, now am I? You have odd tea tastes.
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OSI bean dip posted:Good luck getting the population behind sane tax policy. He said, advocating for sugar tax
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A Canadian company built some armored vehicles in the UAE and claims to have sold them to South Sudan's "police" department, even though approval was given by a general in the defence department. They were or are likely being used to slaughter civilians in the ongoing civil war there. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/streit-south-sudan-1.3711685 Random CBC commenter says it best: Phil Bigeau posted:so we sell them guns tanks whatever they need for war then we go as peacekeeper i understand Just one mistake there, we don't actually do peacekeeping anymore and haven't really done it very seriously for a while. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Nationalize the dairy industry and force children to work on dairy farms. Pay them with milk.
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In Canada the streets are paved with cheese.
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El Scotch posted:In Canada the streets are paved with cheese. That explains why they can't hold together for more than a month. Maybe we should try asphalt.
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eXXon posted:A Canadian company built some armored vehicles in the UAE and claims to have sold them to South Sudan's "police" department, even though approval was given by a general in the defence department. They were or are likely being used to slaughter civilians in the ongoing civil war there. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/streit-south-sudan-1.3711685 If we renege on our promise to deliver militarized civilian equipment, which was assembled overseas to skirt international weapons treaties, to a questionable government so their security forces can squash dissenters, then their child soldiers will be mad at us for not arming them, they'll start slamming us on snapchat and that might harm our international reputation. We might even get kicked out of the #shittycountries irc channel
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The real shame is the collapse of Nortel and RIM means we have no way to sell these oppressive regimes the tools they need to censor and quash online dissent 
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A timely reminder, from the Sun of all places, that the Trudeau government has actually developed an even worse arms export policy than the one developed by the Harper conservatives. Toronto Sun posted:Trudeau takes out the trash and it's sure not progressive
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what is the world coming to when I agree with the Sun. When was the last time bunnyofdoom posted around here?
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A Typical Goon posted:what is the world coming to when I agree with the Sun. When was the last time bunnyofdoom posted around here? He only showed up when there was something good to be said about the party. When they did something bad he's nowhere to be found and can't comment. He has learned well and will make a fine addition to the Liberal party and their general operating procedure.
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A Typical Goon posted:what is the world coming to when I agree with the Sun. To be fair the Sun is basically a Postmedia paper with cheesecake photos now (except in those locations like Ottawa where the cheesecake photos have been removed) A Typical Goon posted:When was the last time bunnyofdoom posted around here? I can't imagine why A Dude Who Answers Emails for the Liberal Party isn't jumping at the chance to post somewhere that furiously demands he answer for every bad decision made at a level stratospherically above his own. edit: see also Pinterest Mom and DynamicSloth, who seem closer to the NDP apparatus than most and also post a lot less often than they used to. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Dallan Invictus posted:I can't imagine why A Dude Who Answers Emails for the Liberal Party isn't jumping at the chance to post somewhere that furiously demands he answer for every bad decision made at a level stratospherically above his own. He should come back, who cares what idiots think he should answer for. I think the last time he was here his argument with Helsing wasn't really about who he worked for so much as about differing political views in general.
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