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Cartoon posted:Well looks like bloody revolution is the only way forward which brings me back to the opinion I held when I was an angry teen who thought that was the answer for everything. Is this progress? It's a bizarre feeling, that's for sure. I think 15-year-old tankie Endman had a loving point.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:01 |
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I read an oped in the Guardian talking about how inevitably the refugees will have to come to Australia, because they're not going to return to their home countries and no developing country will take them (NZ and Canada will but ~~pull factors~~) and eternally maintaining an overseas concentration camp is untenable even for the reptiles that make up the ALP and LNP, but I have to wonder if that's too optimistic. Part of me feels like this is the new normal, and we're just gonna keep torturing refugees until they all kill themselves and 'solve' the 'problem'.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:09 |
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BBJoey posted:lol if u ever deviated from the belief that only the blood of the bourgeois will cleanse this vile land
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:10 |
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quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...him?CMP=soc_567
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:15 |
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So what? If any of it's true they'd be right to attack.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:17 |
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I was supposed to be responsible for and oversee something which was actually abusing kids. Why is everyone suddenly finding me unpopular, I blame the media.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:20 |
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I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddled kids
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:22 |
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You know what's worse than systematic child abuse? Airing footage detrimental to my government's reelection campaign
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:24 |
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BBJoey posted:You know what's worse than systematic child abuse? Airing footage detrimental to my government's reelection campaign Literally how Australian politicians think.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:25 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those hogtied and ball gagged kids
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:26 |
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Oh so we're only allowed to systematically torture specific types of children. loving unfair if you ask me.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:27 |
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Child abuse in Australia is a long and storied tradition. Typical ABC trying to erode our values and force-feed us a black-armband version of history.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:28 |
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They're even bringing up the fact that heavy handed paternalistic policing of indigenous children is leading to separating an entire generation from their parents! That makes people create uncomfortable associations to other Australian atrocities!
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:35 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:They're even bringing up the fact that heavy handed paternalistic policing of indigenous children is leading to separating an entire generation from their parents! That makes people create uncomfortable associations to other Australian atrocities! I bet you can't even name 10 people affected by the Stolen Generation.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:42 |
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/uber-to-be-legalised-in-queensland/7719078 Shouldn't Uber be paying for this rather than the government?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:48 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I bet you can't even name 10 people affected by the Stolen Generation. Andrew Bolt
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:49 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:Andrew Bolt
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:05 |
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Endman posted:It takes a very special type of person to hear allegations made by children of sexual assault and immediately say "well they lie all the time you know" It's an institutional reaction from an ex-copper, it doesn't surprise me. This is someone used to thinking in us and them terms, just like the rest of the country. TBH I don't know how it can be cured, but it's eating our culture alive. Every response to a smidgen of humanity is viewed as welfare-state bleeding-heart conspiracy to reinforce the division.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:11 |
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ewe2 posted:It's an institutional reaction from an ex-copper, it doesn't surprise me. This is someone used to thinking in us and them terms, just like the rest of the country. TBH I don't know how it can be cured, but it's eating our culture alive. Every response to a smidgen of humanity is viewed as welfare-state bleeding-heart conspiracy to reinforce the division. BBJoey posted:lol if u ever deviated from the belief that only the blood of the bourgeois will cleanse this vile land
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:13 |
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Endman posted:I know the comparison is tired and overplayed, but I wonder if this is how it felt to be German in the 1930s. Best analogy, I've thought it for some time. Except the feeling of being hard-done by is totally made up by the Nazi/veteran equivalent, its a deliberately fake division. I would call it social engineering but I think we've fallen into it via a cultural weakness for scapegoating the poor and immigrants. Politicians feel powerless to change economics without a great deal of backing so these are issues easier to keep on the news cycle without any intention to "solve" anything. That only deepens divisions and causes new problems. You can shout "revolution" but its a failure of communication and will in the first place. Revolution tends to clear the decks for a time for new tyrants. The winners are generally not the people in any revolution.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:21 |
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People aren't the winners in the status quo either. Plus Australia's not like Russia, a backwards regional power with little manufacturing and all its wealth in mineral resources.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:25 |
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ewe2 posted:You can shout "revolution" but its a failure of communication and will in the first place. Revolution tends to clear the decks for a time for new tyrants. The winners are generally not the people in any revolution. looks like we got ourselves a counter-revolutionary here fellas
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:30 |
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ewe2 posted:You can shout "revolution" but its a failure of communication and will in the first place. Revolution tends to clear the decks for a time for new tyrants. The winners are generally not the people in any revolution. lmao this dude's first against the wall
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:45 |
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open24hours posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/uber-to-be-legalised-in-queensland/7719078 No more than windfarms should pay for coalminers who lose their jobs.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:47 |
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Australia could place last at some random thing at the olympics and dutton will blame it on asylum seekers and bikies
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:01 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:No more than windfarms should pay for coalminers who lose their jobs. If you want to argue that they shouldn't be compensated at all then ok, but if they are going to be shouldn't those who are benefiting from the change be the ones paying for it?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:17 |
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open24hours posted:If you want to argue that they shouldn't be compensated at all then ok but if they are going to be shouldn't those who are benefiting from the change be the ones paying for it? Why should Uber be penalised for coming up with a better* business model than the taxi companies?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:25 |
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Because their business model is basically just showing up and acting like the rules don't apply to them?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:29 |
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open24hours posted:Because their business model is basically just showing up and acting like the rules don't apply to them? That's a (important, valid) legal issue, not a reason to tax them.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:34 |
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Uber is a proven fact that if you put enough money behind something, rules be damned.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:33 |
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Maybe don't let them operate and don't give out compensation until you have that issue squared away though?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:34 |
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I don't see why not. It could be a temporary thing until the $100m is raised. I mean the money has to come from somewhere so someone is being taxed for it, might as well be Uber.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:35 |
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Census site is back up.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:03 |
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If you open up a cake shop next to a bakery do you expect to have to pay the bakery for their lost business? Or what about a Baker's Delight opening up next to you friendly local small business bakery?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:10 |
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open24hours posted:Because their business model is basically just showing up and acting like the rules don't apply to them? I've got some extremely bad news about capitalism for you
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:13 |
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What if the cake shop was getting more profit than the bakery because they didn't bother to get any food handling certificates and were letting their cake makers work as contractors with the understanding they'd get that poo poo sorted themselves?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:17 |
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starkebn posted:If you open up a cake shop next to a bakery do you expect to have to pay the bakery for their lost business? This would be a valid comparison if Uber had to comply with the same regulations as the taxi industry. In your example it would be like a Baker's Delight that ignores labour laws, pours their old oil down the drain, doesn't have insurance, uses rigged scales, etc. [e:fb]
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:17 |
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perhaps the solution is not to introduce some sort of bizarro one-off levy/tax but to enforce existing regulations
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:23 |
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Perhaps it is, but it's not going to happen is it?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:25 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:What if the cake shop was getting more profit than the bakery because they didn't bother to get any food handling certificates and were letting their cake makers work as contractors with the understanding they'd get that poo poo sorted themselves? Then they should be fined, which isn't the same as taxing them.
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