Auspol August: The Greens Echo Chamber

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Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Cartoon posted:

Well looks like bloody revolution is the only way forward which brings me back to the opinion I held when I was an angry teen who thought that was the answer for everything. Is this progress?

It's a bizarre feeling, that's for sure. I think 15-year-old tankie Endman had a loving point.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:01

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 09:16

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

I read an oped in the Guardian talking about how inevitably the refugees will have to come to Australia, because they're not going to return to their home countries and no developing country will take them (NZ and Canada will but ~~pull factors~~) and eternally maintaining an overseas concentration camp is untenable even for the reptiles that make up the ALP and LNP, but I have to wonder if that's too optimistic. Part of me feels like this is the new normal, and we're just gonna keep torturing refugees until they all kill themselves and 'solve' the 'problem'.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:09

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

BBJoey posted:

lol if u ever deviated from the belief that only the blood of the bourgeois will cleanse this vile land

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:10

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

Adam Giles says ABC report on Don Dale juvenile detention aired to damage him

Northern Territory�s chief minister says Four Corners should be �ashamed� of its �outrageous� report which had �stirred up racism� to give a leg up to his opposition

Adam Giles has accused Four Corners of deliberately delaying its report on the Don Dale abuses to cause maximum damage to his election campaign and give a �leg up� to the Labor opposition.

The Northern Territory chief minister made the comments to Sky News on Thursday, claiming the story, which revealed graphic CCTV footage of the alleged abuse of young boys inside juvenile detention, gave the Labor opposition a �clear advantage�.

He said the ABC report was �outrageous� and had �stirred up racism� in the NT, and he accused Labor of subsequently using race in the campaign.

�I think Four Corners should be ashamed of what they�ve done,� he said.

�For me to be talking about child protection policies in the lead-up to the territory election is just food for Labor to drive racism at the heart of territory politics, rather than put the interest of the child at the forefront.�

On Thursday he said Four Corners had �certainly� attempted to �give Labor a leg up� with its program.

�And I think that�s unfortunate for a public broadcaster to do that, particularly one that�s taxpayer-funded,� he said.

Recent polling conducted by the NT News found a 20 percentage point swing away from the CLP, giving Labor 64% in two-party-preferred terms, with the election barely two weeks away. Just 33% of respondents said the CLP deserved to be reelected on 27 August, the report said.

The executive producer of Four Corners, Sally Neighbour, said on Twitter the allegations were �false, outrageous and desperate�.

Asked why he had called for a royal commission within hours of the Four Corners program, Giles said he was responding to public reaction.

�Well certainly Four Corners sought to display images to try and portray images of acts of terror within the system in the Northern Territory, and strike fear into many different communities around Australia,� he said.
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On the night of the broadcast Giles released a statement calling for a royal commission into the incidents, saying he was �shocked and disgusted� by what he had seen.

�A community is judged by the way it treats its children and serious questions were raised by ABC tonight,� he said.

He hoped the royal commission would examine the whole of the juvenile justice system, as well as the child protection system.

More than 96% of juvenile detainees in the NT are Indigenous, and Indigenous children are overrepresented in out-of-home placements nationally. Giles said Aboriginal children should stay with Aboriginal families if they had to be removed.

�We don�t want anybody being removed and we don�t want to create another stolen generation, but I am a person who puts the child at the forefront and I think those policies need to be looked at,� he said.

Giles told Sky News he �had to be careful� when discussing the issue because Labor would �get out on the ground and tell people that Adam�s trying to steal kids�.

The comments are the latest in a series of changing responses from Giles to the juvenile detention scandal.

After the report aired Giles said he had not seen any of the footage, then he said he had seen the teargassing footage, and then he retracted that statement.

He announced the use of spithoods and restraint chairs would be banned, despite his government having legislated just four months ago to widen the scope of their use. The following week, in an interview with Guardian Australia, he said the ban did not extend to adult prisons, including the one where Dylan Voller � the boy seen in the chair on Four Corners � is now held. He said if Voller were again to be strapped into the chair, that would be in line with �adult policies�.

In an interview on Mix 104.9 Giles questioned how many of the lawyers who appeared in the Four Corners show were members of the Labor party.

He later denied that he was questioning if the show was politically motivated, saying he was inquiring only out of personal interest, and it would �probably make a good trivia question�.

In several public appearances Giles had committed to releasing the latest review of the juvenile justice system, because the Four Corners report featured incidents that occurred before many of the improvements his government had made.

But last week he said the report would not be made public because its findings contradicted those of other reports, and all would be given to the royal commission.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...him?CMP=soc_567

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:15

Wrestlepig: Feb 25, 2011; my mum says im cool; Toilet Rascal

So what? If any of it's true they'd be right to attack.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:17

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

I was supposed to be responsible for and oversee something which was actually abusing kids.

Why is everyone suddenly finding me unpopular, I blame the media.

:psyduck:

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:20

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddled kids

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:22

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

You know what's worse than systematic child abuse? Airing footage detrimental to my government's reelection campaign

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:24

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

BBJoey posted:

You know what's worse than systematic child abuse? Airing footage detrimental to my government's reelection campaign

Literally how Australian politicians think.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:25

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Solemn Sloth posted:

I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those hogtied and ball gagged kids

ftfy

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:26

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Oh so we're only allowed to systematically torture specific types of children. loving unfair if you ask me. :rolleyes:

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:27

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Child abuse in Australia is a long and storied tradition. Typical ABC trying to erode our values and force-feed us a black-armband version of history. :mad:

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:28

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

They're even bringing up the fact that heavy handed paternalistic policing of indigenous children is leading to separating an entire generation from their parents! That makes people create uncomfortable associations to other Australian atrocities!

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:35

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

They're even bringing up the fact that heavy handed paternalistic policing of indigenous children is leading to separating an entire generation from their parents! That makes people create uncomfortable associations to other Australian atrocities!

I bet you can't even name 10 people affected by the Stolen Generation.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:42

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/uber-to-be-legalised-in-queensland/7719078

Shouldn't Uber be paying for this rather than the government?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:48

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

I bet you can't even name 10 people affected by the Stolen Generation.

Andrew Bolt

# ? Aug 11, 2016 03:49

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Solemn Sloth posted:

Andrew Bolt

He's white so he's worth ten.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:05

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Endman posted:

It takes a very special type of person to hear allegations made by children of sexual assault and immediately say "well they lie all the time you know"

It's an institutional reaction from an ex-copper, it doesn't surprise me. This is someone used to thinking in us and them terms, just like the rest of the country. TBH I don't know how it can be cured, but it's eating our culture alive. Every response to a smidgen of humanity is viewed as welfare-state bleeding-heart conspiracy to reinforce the division.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:11

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

ewe2 posted:

It's an institutional reaction from an ex-copper, it doesn't surprise me. This is someone used to thinking in us and them terms, just like the rest of the country. TBH I don't know how it can be cured, but it's eating our culture alive. Every response to a smidgen of humanity is viewed as welfare-state bleeding-heart conspiracy to reinforce the division.

BBJoey posted:

lol if u ever deviated from the belief that only the blood of the bourgeois will cleanse this vile land

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:13

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Endman posted:

I know the comparison is tired and overplayed, but I wonder if this is how it felt to be German in the 1930s.

Best analogy, I've thought it for some time. Except the feeling of being hard-done by is totally made up by the Nazi/veteran equivalent, its a deliberately fake division. I would call it social engineering but I think we've fallen into it via a cultural weakness for scapegoating the poor and immigrants. Politicians feel powerless to change economics without a great deal of backing so these are issues easier to keep on the news cycle without any intention to "solve" anything. That only deepens divisions and causes new problems.

You can shout "revolution" but its a failure of communication and will in the first place. Revolution tends to clear the decks for a time for new tyrants. The winners are generally not the people in any revolution.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:21

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

People aren't the winners in the status quo either. :shrug:

Plus Australia's not like Russia, a backwards regional power with little manufacturing and all its wealth in mineral resources.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:25

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

ewe2 posted:

You can shout "revolution" but its a failure of communication and will in the first place. Revolution tends to clear the decks for a time for new tyrants. The winners are generally not the people in any revolution.

looks like we got ourselves a counter-revolutionary here fellas

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:30

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

ewe2 posted:

You can shout "revolution" but its a failure of communication and will in the first place. Revolution tends to clear the decks for a time for new tyrants. The winners are generally not the people in any revolution.

lmao this dude's first against the wall

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:45

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

open24hours posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/uber-to-be-legalised-in-queensland/7719078

Shouldn't Uber be paying for this rather than the government?

No more than windfarms should pay for coalminers who lose their jobs.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 04:47

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Australia could place last at some random thing at the olympics and dutton will blame it on asylum seekers and bikies

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:01

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Doctor Spaceman posted:

No more than windfarms should pay for coalminers who lose their jobs.

If you want to argue that they shouldn't be compensated at all then ok, but if they are going to be shouldn't those who are benefiting from the change be the ones paying for it?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:17

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

open24hours posted:

If you want to argue that they shouldn't be compensated at all then ok but if they are going to be shouldn't those who are benefiting from the change be the ones paying for it?

Why should Uber be penalised for coming up with a better* business model than the taxi companies?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:25

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Because their business model is basically just showing up and acting like the rules don't apply to them?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:29

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

open24hours posted:

Because their business model is basically just showing up and acting like the rules don't apply to them?

That's a (important, valid) legal issue, not a reason to tax them.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:34

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Uber is a proven fact that if you put enough money behind something, rules be damned.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:33

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Maybe don't let them operate and don't give out compensation until you have that issue squared away though?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:34

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

I don't see why not. It could be a temporary thing until the $100m is raised. I mean the money has to come from somewhere so someone is being taxed for it, might as well be Uber.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 05:35

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Census site is back up.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:03

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

If you open up a cake shop next to a bakery do you expect to have to pay the bakery for their lost business?

Or what about a Baker's Delight opening up next to you friendly local small business bakery?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:10

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

open24hours posted:

Because their business model is basically just showing up and acting like the rules don't apply to them?

I've got some extremely bad news about capitalism for you

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:13

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

What if the cake shop was getting more profit than the bakery because they didn't bother to get any food handling certificates and were letting their cake makers work as contractors with the understanding they'd get that poo poo sorted themselves?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:17

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

starkebn posted:

If you open up a cake shop next to a bakery do you expect to have to pay the bakery for their lost business?

Or what about a Baker's Delight opening up next to you friendly local small business bakery?

This would be a valid comparison if Uber had to comply with the same regulations as the taxi industry. In your example it would be like a Baker's Delight that ignores labour laws, pours their old oil down the drain, doesn't have insurance, uses rigged scales, etc.

[e:fb]

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:17

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

perhaps the solution is not to introduce some sort of bizarro one-off levy/tax but to enforce existing regulations

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:23

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Perhaps it is, but it's not going to happen is it?

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:25

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 09:16

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

What if the cake shop was getting more profit than the bakery because they didn't bother to get any food handling certificates and were letting their cake makers work as contractors with the understanding they'd get that poo poo sorted themselves?

Then they should be fined, which isn't the same as taxing them.

# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:25

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