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BBJoey posted:perhaps the solution is not to introduce some sort of bizarro one-off levy/tax but to enforce existing regulations Outrageous.
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open24hours posted:This would be a valid comparison if Uber had to comply with the same regulations as the taxi industry. In your example it would be like a Baker's Delight that ignores labour laws, pours their old oil down the drain, doesn't have insurance, uses rigged scales, etc. lmao taxi companies are just salty because they are losing business because they have been consistently poo poo for a very long time
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Recoome posted:lmao taxi companies are just salty because they are losing business because they have been consistently poo poo for a very long time That's really not what the argument is about. You'd have a hard time finding someone without an investment in the taxi industry that opposes reform. The question is what type of reform is desirable.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:29 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Then they should be fined, which isn't the same as taxing them. WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Maybe don't let them operate and don't give out compensation until you have that issue squared away though?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:30 |
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Also the gig economy is loving shithouse and Uber should be fought on principle alone.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:31 |
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Hopefully they'd be prevented from continuing to operate in addition to the fine.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:31 |
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open24hours posted:Perhaps it is, but it's not going to happen is it? neither is making them pay for disrupting the taxi industry hope this helps
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:34 |
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I also think the model Uber uses is pretty poo poo, but making them pay Taxi companies just wouldn't be right. Regulations just need to be sorted out so they are both competing on a level playing field. If Uber is allowed to basically run the same business without the same licencing and insurance etc then it has to be okay for traditional companies to do that too. starkebn fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Aug 11, 2016 |
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BBJoey posted:neither is making them pay for disrupting the taxi industry hope this helps What is the actual point that you're trying to make here? SA are apparently charging, or at least trying to charge, a levy on Uber rides to fund their compensation scheme. http://indaily.com.au/news/2016/06/03/doubts-over-taxi-levy-as-uber-flouts-sa-laws/
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you yourself said uber's entire business model is ignoring regulations and now you expect them to play along with a government levy? uber will do whatever the gently caress they want because they know no government is going to put their foot down. e: lomarf, the article itself says uber is in no uncertain terms not going to pay the levy. the solution to 'this company is not playing by the rules' is not 'make a new rule that makes them pay for the people they put out of business' but enforcing the rules you already have in place BBJoey fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Aug 11, 2016 |
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Uber v Taxi is Free Market v Monopoly. Its why there are no winners. Lax regulations v low standards through control
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:46 |
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Something similar has happened before https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laker_Airways While Laker Airways failed, low fares and buying meals on board are becoming popular. Similarly, buying tickets on the day of travel has been adopted by airline shuttles plying the United States' Northeast corridor (where competition with the Acela Express is fierce) and on the Eastern shores of Australia. Laker's most important legacy was that pioneering low-fare services across the Atlantic helped pave the way for low-cost airlines such as EasyJet and Ryanair, liberating the industry from the regulatory straitjacket IATA had imposed for decades in collusion with governments. These governments invariably were sole or majority owners of most IATA airlines. This was Laker's greatest contribution to its industry's future development. Lid fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Aug 11, 2016 |
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If compensation is to be paid, then it should be by the government. I'm no fan of the taxi cartels, but they did pay massive licencing costs to the state government on the proviso they would get semi exclusive rights in return. Personally I have no sympathy for idiots that bought taxi plates as a retirement plan - they have fiat value only and are subject to massive regulatory risk, as now playing out.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:52 |
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BBJoey posted:you yourself said uber's entire business model is ignoring regulations and now you expect them to play along with a government levy? uber will do whatever the gently caress they want because they know no government is going to put their foot down. Well, what is the solution? In an ideal world what would you like to see happen?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:53 |
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Nationalise the taxi industry?
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:54 |
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If it works. I'm not sure I'm convinced a nationalised taxi industry would deliver better or cheaper services though.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 06:58 |
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It'd get rid of the rent-seeking shitlords who buy the licences, I'd have to imagine that would cut away a lot of the bloat.
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open24hours posted:Well, what is the solution? In an ideal world what would you like to see happen? dictatorship of the proletariat
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open24hours posted:If it works. I'm not sure I'm convinced a nationalised taxi industry would deliver better or cheaper services though. Why not? Remove the need for a profit, and prices should come down. Increase the ability of central management of a standard level of service.
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Frogmanv2 posted:Why not? Remove the need for a profit, and prices should come down. Increase the ability of central management of a standard level of service. Right, it's more that I don't trust them not to gently caress it up in some monumental way.
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open24hours posted:Right, it's more that I don't trust them not to gently caress it up in some monumental way. I dont have faith that private enterprise wont gently caress it up in some monumental way either.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 07:14 |
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At least if a private company does it there's a chance they'll go broke. The way things are at the moment it'd probably be contracted out to a private operator and we'd get the worst of both worlds.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 07:17 |
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If you nationalised the industry you could also reform it so that taxi drivers weren't paid out of the fares, but were paid an hourly wage.
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open24hours posted:At least if a private company does it there's a chance they'll go broke. And if the government fucks it up, there is a chance they will be voted out. Cant really disagree with the second part. I mean, i have no experience with contracts and poo poo, but even I can think of some minimum service level clauses that would gently caress a company over hard if they failed to meet expectations, but that would require the government standing up to business, and that just doesnt happen.
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Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul is on Q&A next Monday.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 08:29 |
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Filing tonight's Clarke and Dawe in the top 10 of all time
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aejix posted:Filing tonight's Clarke and Dawe in the top 10 of all time Also looks like there will be some consequences: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/census-malcolm-turnbull-slams-abs-over-failure/7718584 quote:Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has unloaded on the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) over its handling of the botched census, but says possible sackings will not come until after a full investigation. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/census-minister-nominated-for-ice-bucket-challenge-by-joyce/7720822 quote:Census: Barnaby Joyce revives ice bucket challenge, nominates Michael McCormack By political reporter Anna Henderson Updated about 3 hours ago
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Census site is back up. Not the email system! If you tick the box to receive an email copy of your password, FAIL FAIL AGAIN. It won't let you proceed until you untick it. God help if you didn't write it down and our crappy internet system goes down. This twitter post sounds like a good explanation. IBM wanted to keep money so didn't ask for DDOS protection, their firewall system wasn't actually setup and IBM's logs said the data WAS being hacked. In full panic mode they SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING.
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e: I don't think people are afraid because of McCormack specifically but lmao
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kirbysuperstar posted:
Brian Greig was the Australian Democrats senator for WA in the late 90s - early 2000s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greig
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 12:44 |
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gently caress IBM. I'm also so glad that I completely paid for, legally and definitely not pirated, SPSS so I can get stats work done at home rather than needing to be on campus.
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Brown Paper Bag posted:Brian Greig was the Australian Democrats senator for WA in the late 90s - early 2000s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greig the Senate, Greig was responsible for introducing three pieces of legislation: a bill to outlaw genocide in Australia... However, all three were unsuccessful. What the gently caress
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Cartoon posted:This one? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/clarke-and-dawe:-mixed-results-and-scott%27s-help/7720900 Absolutely magnificent
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Aesculus posted:the Senate, Greig was responsible for introducing three pieces of legislation: a bill to outlaw genocide in Australia... Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 12:56 |
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trying to take away the national pastime
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 12:59 |
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pretty loving pissed that latvian hackers know how much housework I do.
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# ? Aug 11, 2016 13:24 |
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mate they can smell your tip of a house from latvia, they don't need to hack the census to know you do gently caress all.
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thatbastardken posted:mate they can smell your tip of a house from latvia, they don't need to hack the census to know you do gently caress all. and i was like drat
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So we are talking about the democrats again.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:So we are talking about the democrats again. Speak softly and carry the GST legislation.
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