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Sinteres posted:What I've learned from this thread is that keeping migrants out is monstrously inhumane, and giving them jobs is slavery. Sounds like you haven't learned that it's possible to treat migrants as human beings, so this checks out.
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Sinteres posted:What I've learned from this thread is that keeping migrants out is monstrously inhumane, and giving them jobs is slavery. You have learned nothing from this thread. Loony left at it again, am I rite?
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drilldo squirt posted:The worst thing about European racism is whenever it's brought up Europeans act like they are being attacked personally and will do everything in their power to deflect. Strangely enough, white suburbanites in the 1960s acted the same way.
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Sinteres posted:What I've learned from this thread is that keeping migrants out is monstrously inhumane, and giving them jobs is slavery. work 14 hours a day while living in a container shared by other two families and then tell me about dignity
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Mans posted:work 14 hours a day while living in a container shared by other two families and then tell me about dignity After that I think I'd rather learn more about dignitas.
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Pfft its the 21st century you can now use my new App CNTNR to disrupt the container market and assure the best inhuman living conditions for yourself and your Family.
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Mokotow posted:Ukraine. I've not read much about it, basically I only know that it was a part of the Commonwealth, but how bad was it for the Ukrainians and other people living there? Were they oppressed by the szlachta more than the Poles in Poland (who were quite oppressed by them)?
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computer parts posted:Strangely enough, white suburbanites in the 1960s acted the same way. In Europe I feel like it is more because the examples are often so country specific and it differs so much between countries. I doubt for example that an average Finlander can easily relate to any colonial heritage of France or that Joe Albanian care much about the grazing rights for Sami reindeers in Norway. Because for the last three centuries these countries had as much to do with each other as Austria and the US, or the US and Tibet, which is basically nothing. Their taught history and social classes in school likely focus on their own nation and possibly directly surrounding nations, local media likely does the same and they know not a lick of each others language. Yet these sort of examples are brought up as some example of pan European racism/structural discrimination while they are all extremely local examples not shared between more than a handful of countries. It is not like there is not structural discrimination all over Europe, it is just that it varies heavily in form and cause/historical background (except for Roma, everyone hates the Roma).
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Zudgemud posted:In Europe I feel like it is more because the examples are often so country specific and it differs so much between countries. I doubt for example that an average Finlander can easily relate to any colonial heritage of France or that Joe Albanian care much about the grazing rights for Sami reindeers in Norway. Because for the last three centuries these countries had as much to do with each other as Austria and the US, or the US and Tibet, which is basically nothing. Their taught history and social classes in school likely focus on their own nation and possibly directly surrounding nations, local media likely does the same and they know not a lick of each others language. Yet these sort of examples are brought up as some example of pan European racism/structural discrimination while they are all extremely local examples not shared between more than a handful of countries. It is not like there is not structural discrimination all over Europe, it is just that it varies heavily in form and cause/historical background (except for Roma, everyone hates the Roma). Yes, that was and is very common in the US as well, It turns out people really love rationalizing why they're totally unique and Not-Bad. The really dumb part though is that unlike the US, I haven't heard anyone acknowledge "yeah that thing in [other area] was pretty racist". It's always "Oh no I can't be racist because I'm Finnish blah blah blah".
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Europeans have some fantasy about europe being the most civilized place in the world and acknowledging that they have racial issues would mean that isn't true.
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computer parts posted:Yes, that was and is very common in the US as well, It turns out people really love rationalizing why they're totally unique and Not-Bad. Can you link to a post where a European denies that Europe is racist as gently caress? (not a Riso post though, cause he is the token race realist that every thread in SA somehow seems to have. doesn't count.)
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waitwhatno posted:Can you link to a post where a European denies that Europe is racist as gently caress? Here's one defending Neo Nazis: Velkest posted:NSU shot what, 10 people? American cops shoot more blacks in a single day, son. e: lol I just noticed his most recent post that even better proves my point.
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The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about.quote:Europeans have some fantasy about europe being the most civilized place in the world and acknowledging that they have racial issues would mean that isn't true. I am not sure these are exclusive.
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drilldo squirt posted:Europeans have some fantasy about europe being the most civilized place in the world and acknowledging that they have racial issues would mean that isn't true. You have no idea how true this is right now. "loving Islamists breaking our culture, we better close our borders to all the refugees right now. No, *of course* I'm not a racist, I'm just more civilised than they are and they're going to ruin everything"
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Why did you spend the time to take out the link to my post riso? It's kinda weird.
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drilldo squirt posted:Why did you spend the time to take out the link to my post riso? It's kinda weird. Riso goes to great length to avoid association with the Linke.
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^^ Good joke but Sarah Wagenknecht has been killing it recently with real talk. drilldo squirt posted:Why did you spend the time to take out the link to my post riso? It's kinda weird. I copied and pasted by hand, you sperg.
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That's weird, you're weird riso.
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computer parts posted:Here's one defending Neo Nazis: How is he defending Nazis? But more importantly, how is he denying that Europe is racist as hell?
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It's complicated waitwhat, but I believe in you're ability to figure it out.
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waitwhatno posted:How is he defending Nazis? But more importantly, how is he denying that Europe is racist as hell? It's quite literally using "А у вас негров линчуют" to downplay Neo Nazis murdering people.
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It's interesting to see how high Australia is here given the way everyone likes to portray them as viciously racist. The UK's surprisingly high too, though I'm sure the fact that they receive very few refugees helps. I'm actually surprised France and Belgium already had such a low opinion of immigration even before the refugee crisis. https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/763641917670297600 Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Aug 11, 2016 |
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Sinteres posted:It's interesting to see how high Australia is here given the way everyone likes to portray them as viciously racist. The UK's surprisingly high too, though I'm sure the fact that they receive very few refugees helps. That's just because Australia doesn't let any brown people in.
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Considering Australia have been abusing refugee children in camps that are now illegal to report on, among other things on that list, I would disagree with that polls methodology giving such results.
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Andrast posted:That's just because Australia doesn't let any brown people in. They accept a lot as a percentage of their total population, they just also turn away a lot.
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That poll is pretty useless without a "Don't Know/They don't change the country" option since that one would still say racists are bad.
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It does say immigrants. People holed up in concentration camps haven't officially immigrated yet, I'm sure.
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computer parts posted:It's quite literally using "А у вас негров линчуют" to downplay Neo Nazis murdering people. Bullshit. This is a tactic used to deflect criticism, it does not apply when the subject of the discussion is literally "who has the biggest ethnic integrating dick?". It's totally legitimate to bring up failures from both sides in such a discussion and compare them. Also, this tactic isn't used to refute an argument, it's to make it disappear in a discussion. So if anything, he is saying that everyone else is just as hosed up as Europe(or even worse), not that the Nazis were right in murdering ten people, as you claimed.
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computer parts posted:That poll is pretty useless without a "Don't Know/They don't change the country" option since that one would still say racists are bad. If it's taken from Swedish data , there is one such category. The ratios for Sweden have been approximately constant and says 20-25% pro, 30-40% neither pro or against and 40-50% negative.
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Cardiac posted:If it's taken from Swedish data , there is one such category. The ratios for Sweden have been approximately constant and says 20-25% pro, 30-40% neither pro or against and 40-50% negative. It has dropped 15% (39%-24%) since 2014. Maybe Swedes are regretting their earlier policies?
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computer parts posted:Yes, that was and is very common in the US as well, It turns out people really love rationalizing why they're totally unique and Not-Bad. That's utter bullshit, tons of people who live in Europe have just come into this thread to talk pretty bluntly about Racism in Europe, people do the same in the UK or Germany or Scandinavia threads on this forum. The problem is that the question of 'Is Yurp the racistist?' tends to be swallowed into the interminable Europe vs America cripple fight where its not really about a constructive, objective look at Racism in Europe and more about scoring points for team USA. We get people like you who really want to talk about how Europe (the whole thing) is uniquely terrible and just dodge any equivalency with the US by screaming 'WHATABOUTISM!'
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Zudgemund put it well:Zudgemud posted:In Europe I feel like it is more because the examples are often so country specific and it differs so much between countries. I doubt for example that an average Finlander can easily relate to any colonial heritage of France or that Joe Albanian care much about the grazing rights for Sami reindeers in Norway. Because for the last three centuries these countries had as much to do with each other as Austria and the US, or the US and Tibet, which is basically nothing. Their taught history and social classes in school likely focus on their own nation and possibly directly surrounding nations, local media likely does the same and they know not a lick of each others language. Yet these sort of examples are brought up as some example of pan European racism/structural discrimination while they are all extremely local examples not shared between more than a handful of countries. It is not like there is not structural discrimination all over Europe, it is just that it varies heavily in form and cause/historical background (except for Roma, everyone hates the Roma). Generally speaking, if you show something racist in European country A and use it to say "Europe's racist" then somebody from European country B will be offended and will object. BUT if you make a separate claim that country B is racist, they won't object. So it's not racism denial as much as not wanting to be linked with other countries' poo poo.
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Friends, friends! I think we can all agree that both Europe and America are racist in unique, diverse and colourful ways.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Generally speaking, if you show something racist in European country A and use it to say "Europe's racist" then somebody from European country B will be offended and will object. BUT if you make a separate claim that country B is racist, they won't object. So it's not racism denial as much as not wanting to be linked with other countries' poo poo.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, people don't generally like to just be lumped together for no reason other than the accuser not bothering to differentiate between them, especially when it comes from a (in this context) privileged party, which Americans pretty much always are due to their cultural dominance. I don't think its a good idea to say there's any kind of privilege difference between Western Europe and America.
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Fox Cunning posted:Friends, friends! I think we can all agree that both Europe and America are racist in unique, diverse and colourful ways. I'm pretty sure they're both racist in a very white way, actually.
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