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Well the talents I don't know but the whole Hope and Despair thing probably.
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Butt Ghost posted:how the gently caress is the Future Foundation filled with so many crazy, petty assholes. Anyone who isn't that either barely gets screentime, or is immediately killed off once they do. Hope's Peak was not a very good place, being a weird meritocracy of hyper-specialized people who were generally good at one thing only. The school then proceeded to not teach them how to deal with their lives and just let them run wild as long as they were furthering their talent somehow. And then came The Junkos. The current FF loser crew, DR1 folks aside, are just a bunch of talented broken people who really need adult supervision to function and oops their adult supervision is dying off real quick. alcharagia posted:gently caress the entire hope's peak academy storyline, end it all, salt it to the ground, let's get new danganronpa v3 in here now yeuh! I kinda agree that the continuity has gotten bloated but I still really like Naegi & co still and want to know how that whole deal ends. Which I guess is the whole point of the anime really. Was a good idea to reboot things with V3 though. Bring on Metal Gear Rising: Ahoge. EDIT: also if anyone's surprised/upset that all the best characters are dying horribly then i'd like to welcome you to dangan ronpa, where everyone good dies and we get unreasonably attached to the remainder. EDIT2: As far as dumb speculation goes, mine is that nobody's the "traitor", instead when everyone's KOed one person is given orders to kill someone or they themselves die, Gozu tried to get around this by faking Asahina's death but got caught/punished for it. Of course this means that the mastermind could kill everyone at any time and is instead making them murder each-other for shits, but that's basically Monokuma's M.O. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 08:30
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I dunno if someone said this earlier, but I'm guessing Tengan said "Chisa Yukizome." Kyosuke then got butthurt that someone trashed his waifu, so he then dealt the proper punishment. As for why Chisa might have become a despair, she said it herself: "Hope's Peak is going down the wrong path." Being moved away from her precious students certainly isn't helping matters either.
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Aug 10, 2016 08:32
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Yinlock posted:EDIT2: As far as dumb speculation goes, mine is that nobody's the "traitor", instead when everyone's KOed one person is given orders to kill someone or they themselves die, Gozu tried to get around this by faking Asahina's death but got caught/punished for it. Of course this means that the mastermind could kill everyone at any time and is instead making them murder each-other for shits, but that's basically Monokuma's M.O. Well normally Monokuma(or the person behind him) has a reason to not kill the people himself, in the first game was because he wanted to show the whole world the whole students of hope killing eachother and in the second game he couldn't delete rules that Usami made and one of then was that the teacher couldn't touch the students unless they broke a rule and since Junko wanted to have bodies to take over she made then kill eacher other again (one thing about that is also why the motives in that game were so unfair unlike the first game) So I guess there's a reason why the attacker(or attackers) just can't kill everyone at once.
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Aug 10, 2016 09:25
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Namtab posted:Death to normies Namtab are you enjoying Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak Academy?
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Aug 10, 2016 13:03
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IceBorg posted:Well normally Monokuma(or the person behind him) has a reason to not kill the people himself, in the first game was because he wanted to show the whole world the whole students of hope killing eachother and in the second game he couldn't delete rules that Usami made and one of then was that the teacher couldn't touch the students unless they broke a rule and since Junko wanted to have bodies to take over she made then kill eacher other again (one thing about that is also why the motives in that game were so unfair unlike the first game) Monokuma said it's being broadcast, so I figure it's a similar motive to DR1 since it was stated early on that Despair, while still loving things up worldwide, is actually declining since Junko(dead twice) and Ultimate Despair(suicided/put in the Matrix and made sane/comatose) aren't around to pour gasoline on everything. I mean in terms of showing the FF's higher echelons to be insane fuckups it's a resounding success, but there's still the matter of that slightly optimistic brown-haired kid who seems to think that "immediately go nuts" isn't a good idea.
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Aug 10, 2016 13:07
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I like the theory that "It's being broadcast" means that the animator has trapped them all in an episodic anime where he is the mastermind.
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Aug 10, 2016 14:42
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there aren't even any cameras, how are they being broadcasted? Everyone basically ignored that point except for one comment from Ryota.
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Aug 10, 2016 14:45
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Yinlock posted:EDIT2: As far as dumb speculation goes, mine is that nobody's the "traitor", instead when everyone's KOed one person is given orders to kill someone or they themselves die, Gozu tried to get around this by faking Asahina's death but got caught/punished for it. Of course this means that the mastermind could kill everyone at any time and is instead making them murder each-other for shits, but that's basically Monokuma's M.O. Monokuma's very consistent with only killing people when they break the rules and there is no rule against faking a murder. Anyways, assuming we have a random Attacker every "night phase" and they're told to kill someone or die, then the Win Condition for the good guys is impoosible because you wind up with a dead body either way. So, there is probably some other incentive (or Motive to borrow from DR1's terminology) to force the Attacker into murdering someone else. If that's not the case, then entire game setup could be a sham where the intent was for everyone to die, but that seems very unlikely.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:33
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Belgian Waffle posted:Seems more likely that Monaca faked Asahina's death and then killed Gozu just to gently caress with Naegi. Gozu dying for framing a crime scene still works with my theory since he didn't kill anyone and therefore got murdered. Also "no win condition" is basically Monokuma's M.O. He just wants kids to murder each-other, it's rather counter-productive if they have any way out of that. That's why Naegi calls him out so much when he tries to shrug off blame. I mean I fully expect to be proven wrong but I'll stick to my dumb theory for now. EDIT: shortened wall-of-text Yinlock fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Aug 11, 2016 |
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Aug 11, 2016 00:39
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Yinlock posted:Also "no win condition" is basically Monokuma's M.O. He just wants kids to murder each-other, it's rather counter-productive if they have any way out of that. It depends who is controlling him. Junko explicitly made it so they could win originally because she wanted to prove despair trumps hope. I don't think Monaca really cares about anything except worshipping Junko so she probably would build a no win situation game but I'm with the majority if posters that Monaca didn't create this game she's just there to cause trouble.
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Aug 11, 2016 02:15
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I think that's one of the big reasons the sequels don't work as well to me. The original Monokuma wanted to prove that even with all their needs met, people will still kill each other. The later games just had him want the kids to kill each other no matter what, with the Strawberry House being the worst case of it.
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Aug 11, 2016 02:22
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Kay Kessler posted:I think that's one of the big reasons the sequels don't work as well to me. The original Monokuma wanted to prove that even with all their needs met, people will still kill each other. The later games just had him want the kids to kill each other no matter what, with the Strawberry House being the worst case of it. Junko was just as desperate to have her classmates kill each other, and tried to manipulate the game several times - by killing her sister, then bribing Oogami to murder someone if no one else does it on their own accord, and finally by running a false school trial in order to frame and kill someone innocent who got in her way.
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Aug 11, 2016 02:40
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I guess the difference is that in the first game Junko's interference is not as blatant until you come to those conclusions late in the game. In DR2, even as you play through Chapter 3 and 4 for the first time it's somewhat obvious how much Monokuma is interfering with the whole killing game.
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Aug 11, 2016 03:01
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FPzero posted:I guess the difference is that in the first game Junko's interference is not as blatant until you come to those conclusions late in the game. In DR2, even as you play through Chapter 3 and 4 for the first time it's somewhat obvious how much Monokuma is interfering with the whole killing game. Yeah. In the first game, at least, Junko seems content to follow the rules as long as it's convenient for her. It's only when things don't go to plan that she cheats. For instance, having Sakura as the traitor was insurance just in case no one fell for the motive and none of the students ended up killing each other. And everything that happened in Chapter 5 was because Junko was losing control of the game and got desperate. The remaining students had agreed not to play along with Monokuma anymore, and Kyoko had broken into the headmaster's office and taken the Monokey, and was on the verge of blowing everything wide open. I'm guessing Junko's original plan was to kill Makoto and make it look like only the person with the Monokey could have done it, but Kyoko foiled that plan too. The plan to make it look like "Mukuro" was killed might have been a backup plan.
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Aug 11, 2016 03:20
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Did Jin not know Mukuro/Junko were Ultimate Despair? Because if so I was wondering why allowed them to keep attending, but I guess he seems like he only gives a poo poo about ~talent~ from the anime so I dunno.
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Aug 11, 2016 03:22
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voltcatfish posted:Did Jin not know Mukuro/Junko were Ultimate Despair? From what I know of DR Zero, it might have been partially this, and partially... DR Zero spoilers: Junko gave herself an alibi by assuming the "Ryoko Otonashi" persona. I'm guessing that made it look like she wasn't involved, and that the true ringleaders behind Despair were Izuru and Matsuda. I think that's why no one suspected Junko until it was too late. Maybe someone who's actually read the whole thing can elaborate further.
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Aug 11, 2016 03:32
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As if Jin would let students with despair that great elude the grasp of Hope's Peak. He probably just gave them a suspension.
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Aug 11, 2016 03:57
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Yeah, Junko was never above cheating. She probably felt more free to interfere in the second game because no one was watching besides the future foundation guys and even if they were she had nothing to prove by corrupting them because she already done so once before . voltcatfish posted:Did Jin not know Mukuro/Junko were Ultimate Despair? No one knew, she never did much of her own dirty work IIRC. Making other people kill each other has always been her M.O
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Aug 11, 2016 04:05
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voltcatfish posted:Did Jin not know Mukuro/Junko were Ultimate Despair? He obviously didn't, or he wouldn't have let them both stay with the rest of the class when he locked them inside the old school building after the Incident. Zero leaves a lot of important things vague, though, and I suspect we'll get a more elaborate version of the events leading to it (especially the first mutual-killing game involving Izuru) in the Despair episodes.
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Aug 11, 2016 04:41
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Ah right. I remembered his report, he just had a hunch Mukuro -may- have been an Ultimate Despair. That was it, I think.
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Aug 11, 2016 04:43
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Can't wait until it's revealed that Jin knows that Kuzuryuu or Peko killed Sato but he just made then write a assigment about "Why killing a person is wrong" because their talent is important to the world and no one cares about reserve students. 
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Aug 11, 2016 05:39
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Slokir posted:She probably felt more free to interfere in the second game because no one was watching besides the future foundation guys and even if they were she had nothing to prove by corrupting them because she already done so once before .
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Aug 11, 2016 05:50
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Belgian Waffle posted:The murder mysteries in general did not seem as well thought out with Chapter 5 being particularly egregious. wow, what an epically bad opinion
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Aug 11, 2016 06:02
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orenronen posted:Junko was just as desperate to have her classmates kill each other, and tried to manipulate the game several times - by killing her sister, then bribing Oogami to murder someone if no one else does it on their own accord, and finally by running a false school trial in order to frame and kill someone innocent who got in her way. Rethinking it, it's not so much her interfering I didn't like as much as it is Chapter 4 of 2 being the first time someone was forced to kill. Even with Sakura, it was always her choice to either kill or live with the consequences of not doing it, the same as the other motives. With chapter 4 it was just "either 1 person dies or everyone dies." Especially since the scenario would have made the murderer a martyr to the survivors.
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Aug 11, 2016 06:20
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I have to agree that the fun house court section felt werid and out of place because of the forced murder. Any faults the second game had though are outweighed by the strengths if it's characters and their hijinks . And by characters I mean Komeada. IceBorg posted:Can't wait until it's revealed that Jin knows that Kuzuryuu or Peko killed Sato but he just made then write a assigment about "Why killing a person is wrong" because their talent is important to the world and no one cares about reserve students. To be fair, it wouldn't be that far out of character. This is the same school board that emotionally manipulated a teenager into having radical brain surgery because Hope. Hardly the most sane people around. Wasn't there a SHSL Assassin in DR Zero as well, not to mention Muroko. Since you have to do a test on your talent to not get kicked out I wonder what tests those two got. Assassinate some reserve students.
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Aug 11, 2016 07:07
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Slokir posted:Yeah, Junko was never above cheating. She probably felt more free to interfere in the second game because no one was watching besides the future foundation guys and even if they were she had nothing to prove by corrupting them because she already done so once before. She had a different goal in the second game. In the first, it didn't matter how many people were still alive at the end as long as some had been killed. In the second, she needed less than 8 people alive to prevent the forced shutdown. That's why she trapped them in the funhouse - she needed two more people dead, and none of them seemed likely to kill anymore aside from Nagito, and the group had already been willing to tie him up once, so they could again.
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Aug 11, 2016 07:20
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really it's chapter 3 I have a problem with magical despair disease that just so happens to unlock one person's crazy and causes them to murder. And then the murders felt so halfassed...
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Aug 11, 2016 08:21
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Alfalfa The Roach posted:Namtab are you enjoying Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak Academy? Normies must burn
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orenronen posted:Junko was just as desperate to have her classmates kill each other, and tried to manipulate the game several times - by killing her sister, then bribing Oogami to murder someone if no one else does it on their own accord, and finally by running a false school trial in order to frame and kill someone innocent who got in her way. Don't forget the whole "Erase 2 years of friendship" thing. The big fatal flaw in Junko's whole philosophy is that she had to heavily rig the game to get the students to start killing each-other(and there was only all of 1 premeditated one not counting Mukuro), and Naegi/Kirigiri kept hammering on this point on live TV until she had no choice but to actually give them a fair shot or admit that Despair is kind of hosed-up and dumb. Man I always forget how ridiculously good DR1 is.
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Aug 11, 2016 13:06
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alcharagia posted:wow, what an epically bad opinion
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Aug 11, 2016 14:20
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Belgian Waffle posted:Nagito shenanigans aside, it was poop. Sorry man.
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Aug 11, 2016 14:33
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Overall I thought DR2 was weaker than DR1, but the last two and a half-ish chapters....basically from Nagito's sudden perspective onward is where things start getting real good. You may not like where it goes, or how it gets there, but the last quarter/fifth of DR2 is a loving ride.
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Aug 11, 2016 15:15
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I enjoyed Chapter 5 of DR2 and the first two chapters are otherwise alright, but Chapter 3 and 4 both suck rear end and the final chapter is just a mess of constant stupid poo poo.
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Aug 11, 2016 15:28
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IceBorg posted:Can't wait until it's revealed that Jin knows that Kuzuryuu or Peko killed Sato but he just made then write a assigment about "Why killing a person is wrong" because their talent is important to the world and no one cares about reserve students. Considering that Kyouko is the SHSL Detective, one has to wonder why he let their relationship sour so much given that he seems to be all about keeping talent so close. Then again, I barely remember what caused them to have a falling out in the first place.
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Aug 11, 2016 15:43
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I'm one of the few that really enjoyed the last chapter of DR2 it seems. Hajime learns to accept himself and it's a wonderful thing to end on.
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Aug 11, 2016 16:10
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Im so glad they kept Junko funny. I hope she stays that way.
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COBRARocky posted:Im so glad they kept Junko funny. I hope she stays that way. Agreed. "Ah, my little sister is trying to murder me again. How adorable."
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