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Chicken Doodle posted:oh my goddddddddddddddddddddddddd also it developed psychic powers by eating too many pancakes 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I'm glad (and shocked) that Raichu is finally getting the attention it deserves, but I wonder why only Gen I Pokemon are getting Alola forms. I kind of figured that Game Freak is just trying to balance some of the classic first gen guys with the frequently more powerful current gen monsters. Mega evolutions helped with that quite a bit, but historically it seems as though newer monsters tend to be stronger or more useful overall. Personally I'm glad for it, not just for nostalgia, but I genuinely like a lot of the first gen roster. I also enjoy battling in gen 1 despite its many mechanical problems because of its simplicity. Some of the current meta-game is way too drat complicated, and it's hard to remember all the abilities and moves. Hell, I legitimately can't even remember the names of a lot of the Pokemon after gen 4.
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Aug 11, 2016 21:05
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At this rate I'll just recreate my Yellow team in the new games.
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Update 34: Dragon Her Heels Blackthorn City Blackthorn City: A Quiet Mountain Retreat (From the plant, blackthorn, where the sloe fruit grows. It's a slightly larger blueberry that's closer to a plum.) Fusube City: A quiet city standing among the mountains. (From fusube-iro, smoke black colour and fusuberu, to smoke. Can also be from the Fusube-yama, a mountain in north-central Japan and can be roughly translated as to hide and surrounding area.)   Mmm, now this is a Mart selection I can use. There's a fair amount to do in this small city, so let's get started.    : Want to trade it for my DODRIO?Now this is a weird trade. As far as I know, this is the only trade in the entire series that requires the Pokemon to be of a certain gender. We can't obtain a Dragonair just yet, but what we'll receive in return is fair, since we haven't found either of the Dodrio family yet. In GS, this trade would get you a Rhydon, which we also won't be able to get for a little while.  We'll be back.    : I can make POKéMON forget moves. Shall I make a POKéMON forget?The Move Deleter is very useful, as it's the only way to get rid of HM moves, as well as Gen 2 moves to allow trading in the Time Capsule. Still no Move Reminder, that comes next gen.   "for you.": However, it would be impossible for a run-of-the-mill trainer to win.  Our final gym is a Dragon one. RIP Dark.   Well that's thematic.   All we have left is Squirtle.    : I'm SANTOS of Saturday... You can have this...  : SPELL TAG... Ghost-type moves get stronger... It will frighten you... ... See you again on another Saturday... I won't have any more gifts...Kaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy? That's all the Siblings and all the items they can give us. Woo. Gym time! Pokemon Gym   : It's been a long journey, but we are almost done! Count on me! CLAIR uses the mythical and sacred dragon-type POKéMON. You can't damage them very easily. But you know, they're supposed to be weak against ice-type moves.Hmm, we'll see how much that holds water.      HP: 41 | ATK: 64 | DEF: 45 | SP.ATK: 50 | SP.DEF: 50 | SPD: 50 | TOTAL: 300  #241: Dratini  We'll be seeing a fair few Dratini in this update and they all have these really annoying level up moves.    Why does no one believe that I met Batman?   Strength puzzles!     "past me!" : CLAIR would be livid if I did!   HP: 55 | ATK: 65 | DEF: 95 | SP.ATK: 95 | SP.DEF: 45 | SPD: 85 | TOTAL: 440  #187: Seadra   Mamma mia!   Here's another Strength puzzle and we'll need to do it, cause there's some lava to cross.  "one percent!"   HP: 61 | ATK: 84 | DEF: 65 | SP.ATK: 70 | SP.DEF: 70 | SPD: 80 | TOTAL: 420  #242: Dragonair  This is getting real annoying.     : Thanks for showing me!  Rock pushing!  "type POKéMON."Yeah, this is similar to Morty's Gym, where you have a Dragon Gym in a gen with 4 Dragon types. At least you have some more options with Horsea and Seadra.   I'm glad you don't, they're annoying to fight.    Does that mean I have to get permission too? Maaaaaaan.   Alright, we've got a clear shot to the leader. After one more trainer.  : They are full of life energy. If you're not serious, you won't be able to beat them.    "type moves."Good thing we have plenty of those! Ooh, this should be a fun battle...    : The world's best dragon master. I can hold my own against even the POKéMON LEAGUE's ELITE FOUR. Do you still want to take me on? ...Fine. Let's do it! As a GYM LEADER, I will use my full power against any opponent!Gym Leader Battle  VS Leader Clair    Clair: The Blessed User of Dragon Pokémon (Rhymes with lair? O-Okay, Bulbapedia, if you say so.) Ibuki: Blessed Dragon Pokémon Tamer (From 伊吹 Ibuki, Chinese Juniper and from Mt. Ibuki, in west-central Japan, or from 息吹 ibuki, breath.)   Understandably, a Dragon Gym Leader won't have too much variety, with three Dragonair up front. They do have their subtle differences in attacks, with this one having Surf, but they all have Slam, Dragonbreath and Thunder Wave.   Need to get Future Sight going as soon as possible.   ...huh?   Now that's a wombo combo.    The second Dragonair is REALLY ANNOYING.   But that's two down. This is the Ice Beam Dragonair then.   Oh get used to this.   Unsurprisingly, an Ice type can rip through Clair a fair amount. But not all of her team. Dragonbreath (Ryū no Ibuki) is a Dragon move with 60BP, 20PP and 100% accuracy that has a 30% chance to paralyze the target.   HP: 75 | ATK: 95 | DEF: 95 | SP.ATK: 95 | SP.DEF: 95 | SPD: 85 | TOTAL: 540  #188: Kingdra  We shouldn't have too much trouble taking Kingdra down, since I'm just gonna paralyze it, then take it out.   Okay, that's annoying.   OKAY, that's annoying.   GODDAMMIT. Hyper Beam (Hakai Kōsen: Destruction Beam) is a Normal move with 150BP, 5PP and 90% accuracy that requires you to recharge on the turn after you use it. It's not as great as the last gen, but it's a cool way to finish off a battle.   Oh yeah, this Pokemon is pretty fragile, but at the same time, so is my team.   Okay, we should be able to take this thing down no problem. Maybe I could've taken it out by just attacking... but I wanted it to show its stuff. Y-Yeah.  This has gotten so old.   Coooooooooooooooool.  Alright, sheesh, it's over, we have our eighth gym badge.   L I don't believe it. There must be some mistake...Believe it, toasterhead! Pokemon Gym : I may have lost, but you're still not ready for the POKéMON LEAGUE. I know. You should take the dragon user challenge. Behind this GYM is a place called DRAGON'S DEN. There is a small shrine at its center. Go there. If you can prove that you've lost your lazy ideals, I will recognize you as a trainer worthy of a GYM BADGE!    I hate you.  : All that's left is the POKéMON LEAGUE challenge. You're on the way to becoming the POKéMON CHAMPION!  We're gonna have to fix this. NEXT TIME!
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Aug 11, 2016 22:34
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Crosspeice posted:
Your card there lists Kingdra as just water type, isn't he Water/Dragon?
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Aug 11, 2016 22:53
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The hardest Gym Leaders in the game never give you their badges immediately. Coincidence or intentional trolling? 
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Aug 11, 2016 22:59
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Glaive17 posted:Your card there lists Kingdra as just water type, isn't he Water/Dragon? Huh, whoops. I'll fix that.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:04
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Is this the only gen where the gym leaders are jerks about giving over the badges? First Whitney cries, now Clair wants us to do a fetch quest. At least now the gyms want us to do bullshit before they get beat, not after.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:29
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:The hardest Gym Leaders in the game never give you their badges immediately. At least Clair is consistently portrayed as a whiny brat, because doing this does not make me like her.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:40
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hopeandjoy posted:At least Clair is consistently portrayed as a whiny brat, because doing this does not make me like her. I seem to remember people in the last thread mentioning that in some comic or other there was a scene where Claire was someone's first gym and she bitched endlessly about having to fight the kid with just a pair of level 12 dratinis or some such.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:47
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Is this the only gen where the gym leaders are jerks about giving over the badges? First Whitney cries, now Clair wants us to do a fetch quest. At least now the gyms want us to do bullshit before they get beat, not after. A criminal mafia boss whose organization was destroyed by his gym challenger was more agreeable about giving up his badge.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:48
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Was trying to use a Venomoth against the Dragon leader an intentional reference?
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Aug 12, 2016 00:19
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Clair is a sore loser and her breath stinks too.
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Aug 12, 2016 00:55
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I mean, Clair being whiny adds some character to her. It makes the next sequence that much better if you ask me
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Aug 12, 2016 00:56
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Is this the only gen where the gym leaders are jerks about giving over the badges? First Whitney cries, now Clair wants us to do a fetch quest. At least now the gyms want us to do bullshit before they get beat, not after. Whitney wasn't even a jerk, she was just a cry baby. Then 5 minutes later she perks up, gets over it and hands us the badge. She did not send us to the miltank farm and pass the dreaded cow trials
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Aug 12, 2016 01:03
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rannum posted:Whitney wasn't even a jerk, she was just a cry baby. Then 5 minutes later she perks up, gets over it and hands us the badge. No, but now that you described it as such I kinda wished she did.
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Aug 12, 2016 01:20
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It's immensely satisfying to watch her have to eat her loving words after her beloved master/teacher basically tells her to suck up and admit you're better than she is though. What's that, Clair? It's not fair? Well, neither is life so pony up the badge.
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Aug 12, 2016 01:27
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Valgaav posted:Was trying to use a Venomoth against the Dragon leader an intentional reference? Oh, uh, not at all. I just like using my whole team in battles so I'm not tempted to sweep through them using super effective moves. Like with the Yellow LP, I'll limit what attacks I'll use during the Elite Four to make it a bit more interesting. Roro posted:It's immensely satisfying to watch her have to eat her loving words after her beloved master/teacher basically tells her to suck up and admit you're better than she is though. What's that, Clair? It's not fair? Well, neither is life so pony up the badge. Man, I really wanted to put the Dragon's Den in this update, but that'd make the next update reaaaaaaally small and just contain Route 45 and 46. At this rate though, I should beat the Champion on Update 40. I like that nice round number.
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Aug 12, 2016 01:33
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"My name is Clair. As a Pokemon League Gym Leader, it is my job to fight all challengers and award winners a badge." *Loses* "NO FAIR IT DIDN'T COUNT" So did like nobody ever get this badge before now?
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Aug 12, 2016 02:54
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I hope the Alola Raichu can learn Surf thats all i want
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Aug 12, 2016 04:01
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Waffleman_ posted:"My name is Clair. As a Pokemon League Gym Leader, it is my job to fight all challengers and award winners a badge." Between her and Giovanni, it's no wonder Blue and Red were the only previous Champions.
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Aug 12, 2016 04:48
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Crosspeice posted:Dragon's Den I'm calling it. Our trial will involve meeting Trump (and some other investors) and convincing him of our worth.
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Aug 12, 2016 06:02
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DOOP posted:I hope the Alola Raichu can learn Surf See, if it was me I'd have some way to give Pikachu Surf (Possibly via a modern version of the surfing Pikachu minigame from yellow) and have it evolve into the new form if it knows Surf when you evolve it. But that's me.
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rannum posted:GameFreak is always biased towards Gen 1 because it was the first and most notable gen. Nostalgia grabs, basically. On the other hand, it gives Raichu not only 2x speed, but immunity to sleep, and 50% more power in his electric attacks. In theory, you should be able to get Volt Tackle onto an Alolan Raichu. Assuming stats stay the same (which they won't, but bare with me), that's a 240 Base Power electric move coming off of something with base 220 speed. GRANTED, Normal Raichu only has a 90 Attack Stat, so it's still something that would only be seen in lower tiers. Unless Alolan Raichu gets stat boosts compared to normal. Honestly, I'd like to see a higher Special Attack, as Pichu can learn Nasty Plot. Also, I like the new Marowak. It's also really silly. With Lightning Rod it has 3 immunities (Normal, Fighting, Electric). If it remains a Physical Attacker, it's got a handy immunity to Burn and a common form of Paralysis. If it's a Special Attacker, then if you think your opponent's going to use an electric move, including Thunder Wave, then just switch it in, and soak in that beautiful free Sp.A. boost. (Here's a fun fact I didn't know about Lightning Rod: In Pokemon Emerald, if you lead your party with a pokemon with this ability, trainers will call more often via Match Call.)
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I like Clair as a character that is all too aware of the fact that she's only the second best Dragon specialist. Out of two. Complete pain in the rear end gym though. Cyndaquil is completely useless for the first time in a gym. Feraligatr slides by with Ice Fang in the remakes.
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Aug 12, 2016 13:43
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Note that before you cleared the radio tower they wouldn't even let you enter that gym, because you are not worthy. You need to defeat a terrorist organization in order to challenge Clair and after you beat her, she wont even recognize it. What a jerk. I like her stupid over designed outfit though. The cape actually looks kinda cool there.
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Aug 12, 2016 13:54
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SkyTalon2314 posted:On the other hand, it gives Raichu not only 2x speed, but immunity to sleep, and 50% more power in his electric attacks. Main problem is that Raichu is made out of tissue paper, and you're asking it to either set up Electric Terrain (meaning it needs to come in on something that's scared of it, not attacking because even Not Very Effective hits tend to chunk the hell out of Raichu, and probably slower then it to force a switch) or have someone else carry Electric Terrain for it so it can make the obvious switch into it, wasting turns and giving the opponent a clear signal to get their Grass/Ground/Dragon/Lighting Rod Pokemon ready if they got one. Still, don't know how Alolan forms are going to change statistically, so maybe Hawaiichu will be more of a bulky Electric.
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SkyTalon2314 posted:On the other hand, it gives Raichu not only 2x speed, but immunity to sleep, and 50% more power in his electric attacks. Why Volt Tackle when you can Electro Ball?  Use that speed boost to your advantage, throw out 120 or 150 base power attacks (before boosts) without any recoil.
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Ha, Hyper Beam on a paralyzed one HP enemy? What a mean Kingdra.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:26
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Fun fact about Alolan Raichu: In Pokemon Stadium, when he used surf, he used his tail as a board.
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Clair is very different from the other leaders in Johto. She's got a pretty big team only matched by Morty, but also every one of her Pokemon has some power behind it. Like, with Morty he also has a team of four but Gastly and Haunter are kinda frail. After that there's the leaders with three member teams who are Bugsy, Jasmine, and Pryce. Bugsy's cocoons and Jasmine's magnets aren't much of a problem since they could likely be oneshot since by then most players probably have the means to do so. The issue with Pryce's team isn't really what's on it but more that his Pokemon are lower leveled than the previous leader's Pokemon. So pretty much not only is Clair a spike in levels but also a spike in team composition.
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Cerony posted:Clair is very different from the other leaders in Johto. She's got a pretty big team only matched by Morty, but also every one of her Pokemon has some power behind it. Like, with Morty he also has a team of four but Gastly and Haunter are kinda frail. After that there's the leaders with three member teams who are Bugsy, Jasmine, and Pryce. Bugsy's cocoons and Jasmine's magnets aren't much of a problem since they could likely be oneshot since by then most players probably have the means to do so. The issue with Pryce's team isn't really what's on it but more that his Pokemon are lower leveled than the previous leader's Pokemon. So pretty much not only is Clair a spike in levels but also a spike in team composition. That, and Kingdra is only weak to dragon, thanks to it's water typing resisting ice.
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I used a Kingdra once. I hacked it in from the beginning in Soul Silver, just to see how it played. If memory serves, it's offensive and defensive stats are also ridiculously balanced. It'd be probably one of the more versatile overall, but it can't really learn a wide variety of attack types. Water, Dragon, Ice, and I wanna say Flash Cannon are all it can use.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:I used a Kingdra once. I hacked it in from the beginning in Soul Silver, just to see how it played. If memory serves, it's offensive and defensive stats are also ridiculously balanced. It'd be probably one of the more versatile overall, but it can't really learn a wide variety of attack types. Water, Dragon, Ice, and I wanna say Flash Cannon are all it can use. Kingdra's movepool is pretty uniquely narrow for a Dragon-type, although that mostly stems from being a mediocre Gen 1 elemental 'mon as Seadra. It's staggering how narrow a lot of Gen 1 Electric/Water/Fire/Grass movepools are, which makes the exceptions like Starmie and Lapras stand out even more.
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Mr. Locke posted:Kingdra's movepool is pretty uniquely narrow for a Dragon-type, although that mostly stems from being a mediocre Gen 1 elemental 'mon as Seadra. It's staggering how narrow a lot of Gen 1 Electric/Water/Fire/Grass movepools are, which makes the exceptions like Starmie and Lapras stand out even more. Not that any of us cared at the time, of course. I know I'm not the only one who would have Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Fire Spin on Charizard, for example. I'm still a little guilty of this -- my Heliolisk has Thunderwave/Thunderbolt/Volt Switch/Surf. Or that's another example of Game Freak still giving 'mons limited movepools.
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Solumin posted:Not that any of us cared at the time, of course. I know I'm not the only one who would have Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Fire Spin on Charizard, for example. To be fair, both T-Bolt and Volt Switch on something isn't terrible. After all, T-Bolt lets your Heliolisk use Electric attacks without switching. Now, having both of those and T-Wave, that's a bit problematic.
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Solumin posted:Not that any of us cared at the time, of course. I know I'm not the only one who would have Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Fire Spin on Charizard, for example. Naw, Heliolisk actually has a pretty good movepool, especially for an electric type (of course, it's gimmick is that it's moveset and abilities make it usable in three of the four kinds of weather, meaning a diverse movepool is built-in for it's gimmick) but it happens more to some types then others. Electric, Grass and Fire Pokemon still seem to get the worst of it, especially Electric, but even most of these new Pokemon in these types still get a viable coverage move or two like Overheat on Zebstrika or Dark Pulse on Pyroar. A lot of Gen 1/2 Pokemon in these types don't even have that in their Gen 6 incarnations, which is part of the reason why the Alolan forms are all of Gen 1 Pokemon so far- especially since the likes of Raichu and Ninetails are some of the biggest victims of this in the past. Mr. Locke fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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SkyTalon2314 posted:To be fair, both T-Bolt and Volt Switch on something isn't terrible. After all, T-Bolt lets your Heliolisk use Electric attacks without switching. Now, having both of those and T-Wave, that's a bit problematic. To be clear, this isn't a competitive team, this is in my X run. T-Wave can be nice for catching if neither of my sleepers (Exeggcutor and Clefairy) can pull it off. But then again I haven't used Thunderwave at all... Mr. Locke posted:Naw, Heliolisk actually has a pretty good movepool, especially for an electric type (of course, it's gimmick is that it's moveset and abilities make it usable in three of the four kinds of weather, meaning a diverse movepool is built-in for it's gimmick) but it happens more to some types then others. Electric, Grass and Fire Pokemon still seem to get the worst of it, especially Electric, but even most of these new Pokemon in these types still get a viable coverage move or two like Overheat on Zebstrika or Dark Pulse on Pyroar. A lot of Gen 1/2 Pokemon in these types don't even have that in their Gen 6 incarnations, which is part of the reason why the Alolan forms are all of Gen 1 Pokemon so far- especially since the likes of Raichu and Ninetails are some of the biggest victims of this in the past. See also my complaints earlier in this thread (or was it the main Pokemon thread?) about Kingler's lackluster movepool. Honestly, I wish Game Freak would focus on the Pokemon for a bit. There's no reason to not give every Pokemon a half-decent movepool -- it's already patently obvious that not every Pokemon is competitively viable, but it would be nice if they were all fun to use and easy to integrate into a team. Heliolisk does get Hyper Voice, Focus Blast, Dark Pulse, Grass Knot and Surf, which is pretty good coverage. The ORAS move tutors help even more.
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Solumin posted:
I would not be surprised if Kingler is one of the Pokemon that winds up with an Alolan form. I think my front-runners in Pokemon most likely to get one still are, like, Kinger, Electrode, Rapadash, Seaking, and Victreebel.
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Mr. Locke posted:I would not be surprised if Kingler is one of the Pokemon that winds up with an Alolan form. I think my front-runners in Pokemon most likely to get one still are, like, Kinger, Electrode, Rapadash, Seaking, and Victreebel. would love to see Water/Steel Alola Kingler.
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