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And I thought I was a bad poster e: best snype
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:05 |
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Recoome posted:oh wait sorry the ALP are torture apologists as well woooooops Was I wrong though? I'll post something about whatever the issue that's being discussed, Medicare, taxation, greyhounds.. whatever. A few posts later "somethingsomething torture! ALP SCUM!". Every. Single. Time.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:12 |
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EvilElmo posted:Took 3 posts. lmao yep this is the only reason why we got the One Nation people
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:11 |
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:12 |
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EvilElmo posted:Was I wrong though? How do you feel about the current situation regarding the torture of refugees? Do you think the ALP is doing enough regarding this issue?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:12 |
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Recoome posted:How do you feel about the current situation regarding the torture of refugees? Do you think the ALP is doing enough regarding this issue? They're doing too much on this issue, that's the problem.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:14 |
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A man walks into a bar, and sits down. He starts a conversation with an old guy next to him. The old guy has obviously had a few. He says to the man: "You see that dock out there? Built it myself, hand crafted each piece, and it's the best dock in town! But do they call me 'McGregor the dock builder'? No!" "And you see that bridge over there? I built that, took me two months, through rain and sleet but do they call me 'McGregor the bridge builder'? No!" "And you see that pier over there, I built that, best pier in the county! But do they call me 'McGregor the pier builder'? No!" The old guy looks around, and makes sure that nobody is listening, and leans to the man, and he says: "but you gently caress one sheep..."
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:14 |
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EvilElmo posted:I'm not sure how it's unfair. Both systems have their benefits, both systems will have "losers". In this result, it will get rid of 3 racists, a bigot and two nuts. The Greens should rejoice. You'll get rid of Rhiannon early and pick up another Senator. quote:Senate Reforms are the reason we got 2/4 racists in the Senate. I said they were poo poo, they are poo poo. I'm not sure how many times I need to keep posting this. One day you might all admit the Senate reforms were rushed, poo poo policy and not well thought through. I think there are more racists in the Senate than that too. quote:But I guess you all still defend voting down the ETS..
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:14 |
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Recoome posted:lmao yep this is the only reason why we got the One Nation people Like, no it really is. We got 2 from the DD because of the smaller quota. Then another 2 from the Senate reforms. It would appear you want all 4 of the One Nation Senators to run out the full 6 years though.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:14 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:A man walks into a bar, and sits down. He starts a conversation with an old guy next to him. The old guy has obviously had a few. He says to the man: Wow you can't say that, there are New Zealanders in this thread
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:16 |
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EvilElmo posted:Like, no it really is. quote:It would appear you want all 4 of the One Nation Senators to run out the full 6 years though.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:20 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Antony Green's got an article on it. Interesting article, will read on a not-Friday night. But there will be winners and losers, would I be on board if it wasn't going to result with 3 One Nation Senators staying full term? Maybe. Then it would be whatever. Slightly different changes that would probably be reversed in the election outcome anyway. But to get rid of 3 One Nation, Day, Leyonhjelm and Hinch? gently caress what's apparently fair, they can all go. Hinch might get back up, Leyonhjelm and Day probably won't. At best 1 One Nation, if they don't meltdown in the next 2-3 years. I haven't gone through the numbers, it will require a fair bit of digging and frankly, I don't care enough. Antony Green might do an article on it which would be great.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:22 |
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EvilElmo posted:Interesting article, will read on a not-Friday night. But there will be winners and losers, would I be on board if it wasn't going to result with 3 One Nation Senators staying full term? Maybe. E: If you want more reading, The Conversation had a piece on how many votes exhausted and a breakdown of some examples.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:23 |
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:there are New Zealanders in this thread He better post a few more then
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:24 |
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Is not-a-Green still posting?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:25 |
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EE a few months ago im pretty sure you were saying that the Senate reforms would kill minor parties now you're saying its responsible for the election of minor parties while ignoring the results of the DD. Are you OK m8?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:25 |
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I too unironically blame The Greens™ at every opportunity for everything ever
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:25 |
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Recoome posted:I too blame The ALP™ at every opportunity for everything ever Fixed. Big Willy Style posted:EE a few months ago im pretty sure you were saying that the Senate reforms would kill minor parties now you're saying its responsible for the election of minor parties while ignoring the results of the DD. Are you OK m8? Correct, I and many other people commented that this would be the death of minor parties. The Greens had effectively pulled up the ladder behind them. As it turns out, it's had the opposite effect. The Green vote flatlined and hasn't gained any ground in the Senate (losing a senator in the process). People have instead decided to put their vote towards fringe parties where before they would have voted #1 for a major and we would have got a balanced, normal, workable Senate. This Senate will be difficult for anyone to work through and legislation does need to be passed, but at what cost? Do we want a budget through in return for a Senate inquiry into Islam? Doctor Spaceman posted:(In case you missed my previous post, given the parallel responses) Aside from Hanson the ONP Senators got 11th (WA), 11th (NSW) and 12th (Queensland), so I think it's unlikely they'd get full terms unless you literally pull them out of the hat. Then I go back to what I said. I don't really care about the differences between the two methods. The changes are so minor. Hinch out/Liberal in. Green out/Labor in. That could happen at an election anyway.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:33 |
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Democracy is good unless it does something I don't like. Maybe there would be less support for racist minor parties if both majors hadn't supported their racist policies for the last two decades?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:41 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Democracy is good unless it does something I don't like. careful that you aren't attributing blame there friend
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:54 |
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EvilElmo posted:Was I wrong though? That's because it's difficult to move past supporting the offshore detention of refugees, an approach that has led to the abuse of children, regardless of what your other policies are. Take the Greens you get annoyed about so much. I agree with most of their policies, it's why I'm a member, but if one day RDN turned around at National Conference and said "oh hey child abuse is fine let's fund it", I'd quit in a heartbeat. There are just some issues you can't, and it's morally unconscionable to, move past.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 09:59 |
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Endman posted:That's because it's difficult to move past supporting the offshore detention of refugees, an approach that has led to the abuse of children, regardless of what your other policies are. This, exactly. Then again, you need a moral compass in the first place before you can get a bearing on any morality.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 10:01 |
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But we need to ignore it so that we can win elections, think of all the Australians being harmed by Liberal policy! *Fails to win an election anyway*
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 10:04 |
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I'm surprised we didn't send EvilElmo to Rio because he puts in a gold medal performance in mental gymnastics
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 10:08 |
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EvilElmo posted:Correct, I and many other people commented that this would be the death of minor parties. The Greens had effectively pulled up the ladder behind them. As it turns out, it's had the opposite effect. The Green vote flatlined and hasn't gained any ground in the Senate (losing a senator in the process). People have instead decided to put their vote towards fringe parties where before they would have voted #1 for a major and we would have got a balanced, normal, workable Senate. This Senate will be difficult for anyone to work through and legislation does need to be passed, but at what cost? Do we want a budget through in return for a Senate inquiry into Islam?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 10:35 |
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Six years of Pauline Hanson. Have fun fuckers.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 10:43 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:A man walks into a bar, and sits down. He starts a conversation with an old guy next to him. The old guy has obviously had a few. He says to the man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBTcOIPwuw
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 10:46 |
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you are insanely loving stupid. like wow. the scale of your idiocy is unfathomable.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 12:16 |
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i for one am a sensible adult with sensible opinions and a realistic view of the world vote 1 torture party
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 14:29 |
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i support the torture of children because the australian people voted for it i do not support my party losing seats to another party the australian people voted for these beliefs are compatible and good
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 14:54 |
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Hi friendlyjordies when is your next video coming out?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:15 |
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Big Willy Style posted:EE a few months ago im pretty sure you were saying that the Senate reforms would kill minor parties now you're saying its responsible for the election of minor parties while ignoring the results of the DD. Are you OK m8? It's almost like Sussex Street's (and by extension EvilElmo's) reactionary meltdown over the reforms has at no point been based in fact or reason, fancy that. By the standard of "it's what Australian voters want, that's why we need to adopt it as policy" the ALP should clearly begin a rapid pivot towards One Nation. I'm pretty happy with the result in my electorate - I pushed hard left and let my Labor opponent take a far more left wing stance than he would have been able to justify otherwise. Most left-wing member of the new Labor caucus, and he won on primaries alone after a 14% swing that didn't eat any of the Greens vote in a Western Sydney electorate - after calling Manus and Nauru "concentration camps" in the national media. But clearly people just want racists and child torturers, right?
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UPF Facebook Page posted:***Rampant Islamic terrorism in the last month throughout Europe, hundreds of deaths, including pregnant women and children - Media: "It's not that bad, more refugees. we'll be right." Ultranationalists planning on counter-protesting this demonstration against Pauline Hanson in Perth today From the Ultranationalist page quote:A shout out to all patriotic Australians to stand together united against the traitorous unwashed scumbag leftards. From the United Against Bigotry and Racism event quote:After our first anti-Hanson speakout, join United Against Bigotry and Racism for round two! Let's take to the streets to say no Pauline Hanson's vile racism, say no to the United Patriots Front, the True Blue Crew and Reclaim Australia, and stand in solidarity with the Muslim community. Basically this is a pretty dangerous position to be in for the people attending the UABR event, the Perth Ultranationalists (UPF/TBC) have been quite violent in he past, and are able to draw a crowd still (in contrast to the UPF/TBC in other parts of the country). I'd still go if this was in my area and this could just be a wet fart (the Facebook numbers are almost at parity), conversely, people might get hurt today. Recoome fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:But we need to ignore it so that we can win elections, think of all the Australians being harmed by Liberal policy! Greens policy on this issue is so successful, they lost ground at this election. Oh.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:05 |
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Bonham has a good piece about the short and long Senate terms. The practical effects: quote:The Electoral Act requires the AEC to conduct a "Section 282 recount" to simulate which Senators would have filled the first six places at a half-Senate election based on the same votes, as an alternative to using the order-of-election method. However there is no requirement that the Senate use the recount to decide the order. While the Senate affirmed in both 1998 and 2010 that the recount should be used, those decisions were not binding on the current Senate, and were [not binding] under the old system anyway. Some examples quote:I'll use Rhiannon's case as an example. Her primary vote was 0.947 quotas (including 1 Greens ticket votes). Because she was short of a quota on primary votes, she had to wait until the cascading surpluses at the start of the count elected eight major party candidates. But had she polled a quota in her own right (just another 0.41% of the primary vote) she would have been elected third and won a six-year term. Paging EvilElmo quote:There are issues, however, and a lot of them are created by the unexpected interface between the new Senate system and Section 282, which was written under a different system. Because the government left the implementation of Senate reform very late in its previous term (whether to avoid provoking the non-Green crossbench, in the hope of bipartisan support or simply because it was distracted by leadership fighting) a number of finer details were glossed over for the first run of the new system. The matter of the fairest term-allocation system, which had long been on the back-burner anyway, was one that was so obscure that it wasn't even on most psephologists' shopping lists for things to fix for the new system. quote:That's not to say S 282 is less fair than the order-of-election system. I think it's still fairer - just that it's hardly brilliant and it is worth a serious think about whether there could be a better approach than either for the new voting system.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:31 |
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There's no way this story is the only one of fraud in child care. quote:The AFP this week raided the Lakemba family day care businesses of brothers Mohammad and Ibrahim Omar, aged 27 and 25, over more than $27 million in Commonwealth childcare benefits and rebates claimed since 2012 by the nearly 600 home providers of family day care on their books. 27 MILLION and no one noticed till now? The Turnball Government is funding terrorism. Well done Malcolm. Well done. If they got away with it till now, there's no way he's the only under-employed roofer in on that kind of scam.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:41 |
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It's there an article someone can point me too that discusses why each state has 12 senators and what the pro and con arguments are? It's not an intuitive way for the system to be set up.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:56 |
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starkebn posted:It's there an article someone can point me too that discusses why each state has 12 senators and what the pro and con arguments are? It's not an intuitive way for the system to be set up. My understanding is that it was set up that way so that states with a lower population (e.g Tasmania) have equal representation and (hopefully) don't get ignored because they don't have enough MPs in the reps to influence a vote. So in effect you have two filters for policy, the first is to satisfy the majority of the peoples' representatives and the second is to satisfy the majority of the states' senators. It is probably obsolete in the era of two party politics and senators being more loyal to their party than their state, but I guess the original intention was pretty good.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:12 |
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EvilElmo posted:Greens policy on this issue is so successful, they lost ground at this election.
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The Parliament House website has a decent discussion of its history. http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Senate_Briefs/Brief09
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