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vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

I'm glad to know that if the Crown fucks me I have legitimate recourse by setting up a shell corporation in another country to run a lovely white noise website that no one will ever see complaining about my treatment. That's truly the way to bring down the system and engender change.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 13:42

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# ? May 15, 2024 06:59

tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

vyelkin posted:

I'm glad to know that if the Crown fucks me I have legitimate recourse by setting up a shell corporation in another country to run a lovely white noise website that no one will ever see complaining about my treatment. That's truly the way to bring down the system and engender change.

Don't kids these days use Google before they go on dates? Most people would like to know if they're dating a killer (or the child of one).

Not everyone can do this, but bonus points if you can contact the right people so that the perpetrator gets questioned thoroughly the next time they enter the United States.

At least you can go after the individual even if the Crown itself has sovereign immunity.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 14:32

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

We need a single-payer legal system for some branches of Law.

Yeah, I said it.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 14:45

Dallan Invictus: Oct 11, 2007; The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

So the Thing with the Green Party's grassroots-passed BDS resolution appears to be escalating:

CBC posted:

Elizabeth May says she could step down as Green Party leader later this month if her party doesn't reconsider its decision to endorse a movement that calls for the boycott of Israel.

At its policy convention last weekend, Green Party members voted in favour of a resolution which, in part, said the party "supports the use of divestment, boycott and sanctions (BDS) that are targeted to those sectors of Israel's economy and society which profit from the ongoing occupation of the OPT [occupied Palestinian Territories.]"

"I would say as of this minute I think I'd have real difficulties going not just to an election but through the next month," May said in an interview with CBC Radio's The House, set to air this Saturday morning on CBC Radio One.

"There are a lot of issues I want to be talking about with Canadians, and this isn't one of them."

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:01

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

k bye

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:05

vincentpricesboner: Sep 3, 2006; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

1 - this thread blows because it's all a circle jerk of whiney entitled leftist group think and anytime someone has a slightly different opinion (or even a casual though that's in disagreement) they get stomped.

2 - ci your ironic low effort anti Canada posts aren't funny and youre an entitled brat who is too stupid to realize we are all super lucky to live in one of the best countries in the world.

Peace out

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:09

Brandon Proust: Jun 22, 2006; "Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"

k bye

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:13

Doopliss: Nov 3, 2012

zapplez posted:

1 - this thread blows because it's all a circle jerk of whiney entitled leftist group think and anytime someone has a slightly different opinion (or even a casual though that's in disagreement) they get stomped.

2 - ci your ironic low effort anti Canada posts aren't funny and youre an entitled brat who is too stupid to realize we are all super lucky to live in one of the best countries in the world.

Peace out

Only used the word "entitled" twice. 6/10.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:15

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

zapplez posted:

1 - this thread blows because it's all a circle jerk of whiney entitled leftist group think and anytime someone has a slightly different opinion (or even a casual though that's in disagreement) they get stomped.

2 - ci your ironic low effort anti Canada posts aren't funny and youre an entitled brat who is too stupid to realize we are all super lucky to live in one of the best countries in the world.

Peace out

There's certainly somebody making 'whiney' posts itt

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:18

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:23

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Dallan Invictus posted:

So the Thing with the Green Party's grassroots-passed BDS resolution appears to be escalating:

lol the green party would be even more of a joke without emay

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:29

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Dallan Invictus posted:

So the Thing with the Green Party's grassroots-passed BDS resolution appears to be escalating:

quote:

those sectors of Israel's economy and society which profit from the ongoing occupation of the OPT [occupied Palestinian Territories.]

Heaven forbid someone suggest that participants in the I/P conflict shouldn't be actively making the situation worse. Can't have that kind of destructive talk when there are more important issues to face, like chemtrails and finding another way to get David Suzuki's dick back on television.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:31

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

flakeloaf posted:

Heaven forbid someone suggest that participants in the I/P conflict shouldn't be actively making the situation worse. Can't have that kind of destructive talk when there are more important issues to face, like chemtrails and finding another way to get David Suzuki's dick back on television.

Yeah, pretty much. Given the opportunity to support her constituents' wishes concerning an issue of real importance (which, admittedly, intelligent and reasonable people can still disagree on -- opposition to BDS is hardly limited to Zionists), EMay throws her petulant, stupid hands up like a small child and threatens to go.

She really isn't playing with a full deck, is she?

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:37

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

a fleshy snood posted:

lol the green party would be even more of a joke without emay

Nope. They would be just as much of a joke as they are with her.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:41

Fluffy Chainsaw: Jul 6, 2016; I'm likely a pissant middle manager who pisses off IT with worthless requests. There is no content within my posts other than a garbage act akin to a know-it-all, which likely is how I behave in real life. It's really hard for me to comprehend how much I am hated by everyone.

Jordan7hm posted:

Nope. They would be just as much of a joke as they are with her.

The Green Party's greatest failing was not electing David Chernushenko as party leader. If they elect someone who is not transparently pro-LPC over the needs of the Green party as the next leader, they will do just fine.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 15:58

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

k bye

# ? Aug 12, 2016 16:07

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

PS gently caress Israel

# ? Aug 12, 2016 16:08

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

namaste faggots posted:

PS gently caress Israel

the fact that May would choose that hill to die on expressly against the wishes of her own party is really a testament of how little the Green Party deserves any federal seats.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 16:15

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Cool, I also hate when people immediately disagree with my opinions rather then just roll over and agree. When that happens I just call everyone entitled and peace out.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 17:19

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

zapplez posted:

1 - this thread blows because it's all a circle jerk of whiney entitled leftist group think and anytime someone has a slightly different opinion (or even a casual though that's in disagreement) they get stomped.

Are you a Harper supporter

# ? Aug 12, 2016 17:20

vincentpricesboner: Sep 3, 2006; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

CLAM DOWN posted:

Are you a Harper supporter

Nope. Voted lib in last election

# ? Aug 12, 2016 17:38

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

You suck and your opinions are wrong

# ? Aug 12, 2016 17:39

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

being a citizen of "the greatest country in the world" doesn't mean you have to be okay when even the "radical left" party wants to support an apartheid regime or the actual government wants to sell arms to dictators responsible for human rights abuses, hth

# ? Aug 12, 2016 18:12

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Pallisters Hydro Privatization agenda begins. Nothing like a PC finacial report to start turning public opinion against a Crown Corporation.

Even if Manitoba Hydro raised rates 50% in the next 10 years we would still be middle of the road for electricity as compared to current prices.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/08/06/hydro-books-a-bigger-mess-than-first-thought

quote:

Manitoba Hydro�s financial forecast is far worse than the former NDP government let on, according to a recently released ministerial briefing document.

In fact, customers could see rate increases exceed 3.95% a year over the next decade, the amount Hydro had previously said it needs to pay for expensive capital projects, like new dams, aging infrastructure, and the controversial Bipole III transmission line.

According to Hydro, the 3.95% annual rate hike it plans to seek over the next 12 years is now just a �minimum� increase required to pay the bills and stay afloat financially. It could be higher.

�In the next 10 years there is significant financial risk and potential for rate volatility as (Hydro�s) financial ratios deteriorate due to the large capital investment program and associated borrowing requirements,� Hydro said in the Crown Services ministerial briefing document released by the Pallister government under its new proactive disclosure policy. �If Manitoba Hydro does not maintain its financial strength, there is significant risk to customers that rate changes will become more volatile and there will be a need for sudden or large rate increases in the future.�

Yikes.

It�s not exactly the rosy financial picture the former NDP government painted of Hydro just a few short months ago when they were still in office. While the former government acknowledged the need for Hydro to raise rates modestly and gradually, they left Manitobans in the dark as to how vulnerable the Crown corporation is, including how even small shifts in electricity export prices, water levels and interest rates could send rates soaring.

Hydro, which approved its 20-year financial plan in December of last year, said it�s already lowering its financial targets � including its debt-to-equity ratio � in an effort to stave off even higher rate increases for domestic customers. Its debt-to-equity ratio, for example, was 79:21 in 2015. It�s expected to fall to 88:12 by 2021, an extraordinarily weak financial position.

But even that may not be enough. The Crown corporation says any further cost increases � including for capital projects � or falling revenue, could mean much higher rates for Hydro customers.

�(Hydro) is relaxing its adherence to its key financial targets over this period in order to alleviate rate increases in excess of 3.95% to the extent possible,� Hydro said in the briefing document. �Due to the deterioration in Manitoba Hydro�s financial ratios, any further increase in cost or reductions in revenues increases the risk of higher rate increases to customers.�

Doesn�t sound very good.

Hydro said its long-term financial forecast will see rates rise by 3.95% from 2016 to 2028, at which point they will fall to 2% a year. But that�s only under a best-case scenario that includes stability in export electricity prices � which have been falling � and no further cost increases in capital projects. The 3.95% rate increases also rely on average water levels over the next 10 years. Which means Hydro is only one or two droughts away from tossing its entire financial plan out the window.

�As well, there could be negative impacts to the credit rating of the province of Manitoba if credit rating agencies were to deem Manitoba Hydro to no longer be financially self-supporting,� Hydro said.

Oh, great.

Hydro is mired in debt, not only to pay for new dams like the Keeyask Generating Station, but also to finance the $4.65-billion Bipole III transmission line. Hydro had originally decided to build the line on the shorter, less expensive and more reliable east side of Lake Winnipeg but were directed politically by the former NDP government to switch to the more expensive west side (for reasons that still remain a mystery).

That decision has caused Hydro�s bottom line to deteriorate even further, with no net benefits to show for it. Hydro now says its carrying costs will nearly double over the next 10 years.

�The majority of Manitoba Hydro�s capital investments will be funded through greatly increased levels of debt financing which will need to be funded through higher rates, while placing pressure on the corporation�s financial strength and also result in deterioration of certain key financial ratios,� Hydro noted in its gloomy analysis.

Manitobans are already paying the price for this political blunder with rate increases that far exceed inflation.

And we now find out they may have to dig even deeper into their pockets.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 18:17

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Increasing rates by 4%? Unacceptable! Privatize it so rates only go up by 50%, the public wins!

# ? Aug 12, 2016 18:25

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Wait, so the Green Party membership votes to support BDS - a policy many here approve of - and Elizabeth May threatens to quit over it, and now suddenly the same thread that routinely mocks EMay is pretending that she's the only thing lending the party any credibility? Get your poo poo together and make up your hive mind. You'd all poo poo your loving pants in glee if the NDP or Liberals expressed anything other than unconditional support for Israel.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:23

Homeroom Fingering: Apr 25, 2009; The secret history (((they))) don't want you to know

zapplez posted:

1 - this thread blows because it's all a circle jerk of whiney entitled leftist group think and anytime someone has a slightly different opinion (or even a casual though that's in disagreement) they get stomped.

You should expect new red text soon.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:28

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

No if Liz fucks off it will definitely move the Green Party credibility needle in a positive direction

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:27

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Pesky leftists and their obsession with crack smoking gangster Mayors!

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:32

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

eXXon posted:

Wait, so the Green Party membership votes to support BDS - a policy many here approve of - and Elizabeth May threatens to quit over it, and now suddenly the same thread that routinely mocks EMay is pretending that she's the only thing lending the party any credibility? Get your poo poo together and make up your hive mind. You'd all poo poo your loving pants in glee if the NDP or Liberals expressed anything other than unconditional support for Israel.

You can mock her for promoting stupid ideas and still think that she promotes them really, really well.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:32

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

I've never thought it was that big of a deal that the Green Party flirted with anti-vaxxers or chemtrai believers because it seemed like that was just the price they were paying for having a membership driven party. If you're trying to start a new political party then you work with the tools you're given and its understandable if a few silly ideas slip in. Seeing Elizabeth May make such a huge stink about BDS would kind of cast those decisions in a different light.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:38

Coxswain Balls: Jun 4, 2001

DariusLikewise posted:

Pallisters Hydro Privatization agenda begins. Nothing like a PC finacial report to start turning public opinion against a Crown Corporation.

Even if Manitoba Hydro raised rates 50% in the next 10 years we would still be middle of the road for electricity as compared to current prices.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/08/06/hydro-books-a-bigger-mess-than-first-thought

Has anyone said anything about this somewhere other than a Broadbeck column? I hear a lot of making GBS threads on Hydro workers and how they get paid tons despite "doing nothing but sit around all day because of [union hate]", which is depressing.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:41

InfiniteZero: Sep 11, 2004; PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT; College Slice

DariusLikewise posted:

Nothing like a PC financial report to start turning public opinion against a Crown Corporation.

OK, but that's a Tom Brodbeck article so it's not so much public opinion as much as it is grade five reading level drunken conservative opinion/mouth farting.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:47

flashman: Dec 16, 2003

In Newfoundland nalcors recapture plan for muskrat falls involves raising our rates by over 100 percent by 2022, to 21 cents per kilowatt hour. Newfoundland hydro is contractually bound to buy the electricity from Nalcor as well. At least nova Scotia will have 10 cent per kilowatt hour electricity I guess..

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:49

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

As crazy as May is, she knows any sort of even soft criticism towards the Israeli government or its occupation policies is a political death sentence in Canada. BDS is a more toxic thing for canadian parties than anti-vax chemtrails. Besides, maybe we can employ some Canadian manufacturers churning out armoured bulldozers for them. Stick a solar panel on the roof, make sure the signage is bilingual, and the jobs union and every party will be happy churning out killdozers to crush Palestinians.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:52

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Coxswain Balls posted:

Has anyone said anything about this somewhere other than a Broadbeck column? I hear a lot of making GBS threads on Hydro workers and how they get paid tons despite "doing nothing but sit around all day because of [union hate]", which is depressing.

What's funny about the MB Hydro situation is people in my office go BAH UNIONS BAD MB HYDRO BAD :bahgawd:

and I just smile and ask if we should privatize like Ontario and they backpedal so fast the length of day changes ever so slightly depending on where they're pointed at the time.

EDIT: I'm hoping that the gigantic loving train wreck that happened with power in Ontario gives people pause when it comes to supporting that same crap here.

EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Aug 12, 2016

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:58

T.C.: Feb 10, 2004; Believe.

Baronjutter posted:

As crazy as May is, she knows any sort of even soft criticism towards the Israeli government or its occupation policies is a political death sentence in Canada. .

Except it isn't, as far as I can tell. When has it been anything more than a niche issue? There are political attacks about it, but it doesn't seem like the country really cares and it certainly doesn't seem like it should be a death sentence.

Whenever I see polls, they seem to be 15% in support of Israel, 15% in support of Palestinians and 70% not giving a poo poo.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 20:28

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

EvilJoven posted:

What's funny about the MB Hydro situation is people in my office go BAH UNIONS BAD MB HYDRO BAD and I just smile and ask if we should privatize like Ontario and they backpedal so fast the length of day changes ever so slightly depending on where they're pointed at the time.

EDIT: I'm hoping that the gigantic loving train wreck that happened with power in Ontario gives people pause when it comes to supporting that same crap here.

Uhm excuse me everyone knows Ontario hydro is hosed up because of SOCIALIST LIBERAL GREEN ENERGY :bahgawd:

# ? Aug 12, 2016 20:46

HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

THC posted:

Uhm excuse me everyone knows Ontario hydro is hosed up because of SOCIALIST LIBERAL GREEN ENERGY

And also Kathleen Wynne is privatizing some of it! Stupid liberals thinking they can pawn off their problems on the private sector.

EvilJoven posted:

I'm hoping that the gigantic loving train wreck that happened with power in Ontario gives people pause when it comes to supporting that same crap here.

SPOILERS: It won't.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 21:16

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DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Coxswain Balls posted:

Has anyone said anything about this somewhere other than a Broadbeck column? I hear a lot of making GBS threads on Hydro workers and how they get paid tons despite "doing nothing but sit around all day because of [union hate]", which is depressing.

InfiniteZero posted:

OK, but that's a Tom Brodbeck article so it's not so much public opinion as much as it is grade five reading level drunken conservative opinion/mouth farting.

I probably overreacted a bit, but Manitoba as a whole is full-PC mode right now which means they eat this poo poo up. Someone on Reddit found the whole ministrial briefing here and it's not anywhere as bad as described in the column. Hydro took on a ton of risk building the Keeyask Dam, but the potiential for profits is massive. Broadbeck is focusing on the what-if everything went wrong and Hydro couldn't pay the debt they just took on.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/asset_library/en/proactive/pd-cs.pdf

# ? Aug 12, 2016 21:53

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