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waitwhatno posted:As someone else already said, part of it is intentional. Westeros had an age of myths/heroes analogous to every real culture on earth and nobody knows exactly how much truth there is to these prehistoric stories. For example, did Zeus really turn into a swan and diddle some Greek chick? Was there really a Trojan war? We don't know. Is the genealogy in die Bible accurate and the world really 6k years old? We just don't know. Just like they don't know if the commander list of the NW, stretching thousands of years, is accurate or if the myth about the first commander banging an ice chick is accurate. That's all well and good for the distant past like the building of the wall and stuff but what I've been trying to say is that they talk about 300 years ago the same way. And 300 years is not long enough for things to fall into mythical legend yet.
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drunken officeparty posted:And 300 years is not long enough for things to fall into mythical legend yet. 75 years is long enough for some stuff to fall into legend in China. Plus keep in mind the biggest thing - the dragons - don't exist anymore in Westeros. Imagine if Angels literally existed during the Revolutionary War and aided there but then left and haven't been seen in a century.
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Aug 11, 2016 15:15
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drunken officeparty posted:That's all well and good for the distant past like the building of the wall and stuff but what I've been trying to say is that they talk about 300 years ago the same way. And 300 years is not long enough for things to fall into mythical legend yet. What? They have extensive records of the last 300 years, including detailed genealogies, history books, maps, etc. We see Tyrion read history books multiple times during the series. Who of the educated characters treats that stuff as mythical legends?
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Aug 11, 2016 15:22
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Undead Hippo posted:The average length of the reign of a king will eventually become close to the difference between his age and the age of his firstborn son. If a king has a son at 20, then lives to age 80, his son will be 60 upon taking up the throne and will probably die at a similar age to his father. This sum will only change when the son dies before the father (increasing the average reign length as the throne passes to a younger person) or when the king dies without progeny leaving the throne to a close relative (decreasing the average as the throne passes to an older person). The actual number in the books is 17 Targaryen kings. Which makes sense.
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Aug 11, 2016 16:41
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the books do give off the air of targs having been around forever rather than a few lifetimes, but that's also a bunch of uneducated people's perspective.
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Aug 11, 2016 16:51
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Perspective is relative, who would've thought
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Aug 11, 2016 17:46
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Most people in GoT cannot read, so forever=noone who lives remembers otherwise.
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Aug 11, 2016 18:37
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waitwhatno posted:Is the genealogy in die Bible accurate and the world really 6k years old? We just don't know. This is one question I'm pretty sure we know the answer to actually.
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Nail Rat posted:This is one question I'm pretty sure we know the answer to actually. the American South doesn't
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mastershakeman posted:the books do give off the air of targs having been around forever rather than a few lifetimes, but that's also a bunch of uneducated people's perspective. Also there seemed to be a lot of kings who died within a decade or so of ascending the throne. Kings don't live very long in Westeros.
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drunken officeparty posted:Does it bother anyone else that the historical timeline of the series is all screwy. Like apparently the Targaryans only conquered Westeros 300 years ago but people talk about it as if it was 3000 years ago. Naming all these kings and stuff even though they could have technically really had as little as like 3 or 4 lifetime kings in that period. President John Tyler, 10th president of the United States, was born in 1790 and has 2 grandsons still alive to this day. To answer a question undoubtedly already answered: The Targaryens had so many different things wiping them out that the comparison to life spans of the Industrial Age aren't valid. While there have been a FEW life-long kings in that time, yeah, there's been a shitload who've died after only a few years, or where many took the Iron Throne over a year's course. See the Targaryen Civil War of the Blacks and the Greens and the Blackfyre Rebellion as reasons why so many died. The GRRM has his backstory poo poo down.
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Aug 12, 2016 09:57
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300 years is a long time. All history fuckery aside, the fact timekeeping isn't remotely anything like what the real world had even during the period this show apes, you have poorly sourced, poorly attested, politically revisionist historian/educated class, much of what they have in earnest is not well attested. The history of targs also has a lot, LOT of blood going on, and crazy poo poo. Look at the speech where Tywin is talking to Tommen about what being a king means, and that it's more than aspiring to this virtue or that. It's of course a manipulation, but in that manipulation he names off a few targ kings that clearly had short reigns. People can think, not really knowing the intrigue and circumstnaces that "these loving targs have been around a millennia at least" or whatever
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Not to mention 300 years is a drat good dynastic run. Many real, great dynasties didn't last that long unless your torture yourself with hapsburg bullshit european royalty's obsession with tracing it back to emperors, late 'roman' german kings, or this dynastic patrician family or that that I doubt has any basis in reality
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Aug 12, 2016 14:19
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What Maesters don't want you to know  The show cut out a couple of Targaryens kings, which some people are mad about even though you have to read the world book to care about any of them. Also Aerys didn't look like crazy Theoden from Lord of the Rings and his crown was inaccurate to the lore (also from fake history book) which is apparently a big deal that you should get really mad about. Those absolute bastards and their disrespect for crown lore.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:32
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The show hasn't cut any Targaryen kings in the sense of saying this guy and this guy didn't exist, it just didn't show them or talk about them at all because the larger history of Westeros and its social order isn't relevant to the story the show is trying to tell. Targaryen kings the show has mentioned: Aerys the Mad Aegon the Conqueror ???
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Aug 12, 2016 14:45
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skasion posted:The show hasn't cut any Targaryen kings in the sense of saying this guy and this guy didn't exist, it just didn't show them or talk about them at all because the larger history of Westeros and its social order isn't relevant to the story the show is trying to tell. I think they did cut one because Aemon was supposed to be Dany's Great Great Uncle and he's just her Great Uncle instead or something like that.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:53
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Here are the betting odds from a local website, maybe I can crowdsource a winning bet here I think LIttlefinger is good money, but maybe also Tyrion if they split the throne 3 ways... Hm decisions
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Aug 12, 2016 15:14
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Put it all on Davos. Real answer: Dany is pretty good even though it's close to even money because she is absolutely going to win
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Aug 12, 2016 15:15
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Gendry's 90/1? I would have thought at least 30/1 given that he's an actual heir. I'd probably put my money on Jon but I'd throw a few bucks on Sam and Davos. Edit: I overlooked that it said at the end of season 7. In that case put it all on Dany but I have a feeling it won't last.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:26
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It's stupid for Night's King to be on there. What are the odds he both wins and keeps the Iron Throne intact. e: also yeah why does Gendry have the same odds as Davos, or loving Sam. e2: none of this matters, Khaleesi will win and the Targaryens will rule again, making this entire series completely pointless.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:27
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Here are the betting odds from a local website, maybe I can crowdsource a winning bet here Most likely vacant or dismantled for iron/dragonsteel (forged by dragonfire?) but they excluded those. Beat your plowshares into swords.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:28
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I realised I'd never considered Tormund seating the Throne. TV could never own that much though
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Aug 12, 2016 15:30
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I realised I'd never considered Tormund seating the Throne. TV could never own that much though An army of kneelers.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:31
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I'm surprised there's no "No one" option.
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After the white walkers are taken down the people will have had enough of this great house bullshit and will start to elect a new ruler every 7 years 
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Aug 12, 2016 16:16
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Arya is in the first column though
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internet celebrity posted:Arya is in the first column though 
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Aug 12, 2016 16:37
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Well this is a nice surprise! I thought Olenna had been incinerated with the rest of her family at the Sept of Baelor. She's gonna gently caress poo poo up this season, my money's on her.
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God Hole posted:Well this is a nice surprise! I thought Olenna had been incinerated with the rest of her family at the Sept of Baelor. She's gonna gently caress poo poo up this season, my money's on her.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:58
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I don't think the Iron Throne is going to be a thing anymore at the end of season 7 to be honest. Dany will wind up ruling w/ Jon at the end of season 8, but I think KL gets destroyed one way or another (Cersei or dragons) this season and the throne with it.
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God Hole posted:Well this is a nice surprise! I thought Olenna had been incinerated with the rest of her family at the Sept of Baelor. She's gonna gently caress poo poo up this season, my money's on her. I can't blame you if you FFed through a Dorne scene
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computer parts posted:I think they did cut one because Aemon was supposed to be Dany's Great Great Uncle and he's just her Great Uncle instead or something like that. Yeah, they cut out Jaehaerys II, which I guess allowed them to start the show in the same year but age all the kids up three years. But anyone who is mad about that is a silly person. Lycus fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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WeAreTheRomans posted:
"Whats this the loving UN now?"
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I just think it's funny that the now most storybook ending is Jon and Danarys, which is everyone going "YAY INCEST!". That's enough of a Martin twist. Then him explaining in interviews, "see see, medieval society had context, loving your aunt/sister/cousin isn't so bad!!." Then hell marry his 2nd cousin IRL or something.
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Aug 13, 2016 02:32
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I think he'll just write an ending that is the complete opposite of the show out of spite.
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Aug 13, 2016 02:41
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"And as Daenerys looked upon the approaching army of the dead, she thought about the massive pile of HBO money I'm sleeping on. The end." The epilogue is just pictures of fun things he did instead of writing the ending.
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Invalid Validation posted:I think he'll just write an ending that is the complete opposite of the show out of spite. Haha you think he'll write an ending that's cute. After this next book he is going to die halfway through the final one and the publisher will have someone Christopher Tolkien all the leftover poo poo together to cash in
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Aug 13, 2016 02:50
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The book will never get finished The last shots of the show will be Daenerys sitting on the Iron Throne, then a slow zoom out from the Red Keep in the winter, which is in a snow globe being shaken by Hodor.
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disjoe posted:The book will never get finished I wonder what he thinks about.
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disjoe posted:e2: none of this matters, Khaleesi will win and the Targaryens will rule again, making this entire series completely pointless. Not pointless, "the true king returns" has been a standard fantasy plot since before Tolkien. So Dany on the throne is probably what the show is going for. The books not so much, but it's an open question if we'll ever know what ending GRRM had intended for the books. Having read some of GRRMs other work, he's actually decent at writing a satisfying ending (unlike, say, Stephen King), so it's a shame he's not doing it.
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