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my dad posted:I'm getting King of Dragon Pass flashbacks. BravestOfTheLamps posted:It might even be the inspiration. Probably the most important Irish folktale is the Táin Bó Cúailnge, or the Cattle Raid of Cooley. Gaelic cattle raiding was a huge business. It def was the inspiration. Such a fine game.
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Hogge Wild posted:Of course 'relatively modern' is a bit broad term, but iirc it was quite common to eat poultry in medieval era. And I think that the most important function for the cattle in Greece was to pull plows. I'd include medieval in what I was thinking of but did they eat chicken much then? I know they ate birds regularly but I don't really remember chickens, more hunted things like ducks/geese/pheasants/etc. Of course at all times roosters are only useful for making more chickens, and once the hens get too old to lay eggs then, welp. 
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Aug 12, 2016 09:17
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Grand Fromage posted:Of course at all times roosters are only useful for making more chickens... There is one other thing they are commonly used for. Of course, whether that is "useful" is up for debate.
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Aug 12, 2016 09:43
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Kopijeger posted:There is one other thing they are commonly used for. Of course, whether that is "useful" is up for debate. Bibant, quoniam esse nolunt.
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Aug 12, 2016 09:53
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Grand Fromage posted:I'd include medieval in what I was thinking of but did they eat chicken much then? I know they ate birds regularly but I don't really remember chickens, more hunted things like ducks/geese/pheasants/etc. Kopijeger posted:There is one other thing they are commonly used for. Of course, whether that is "useful" is up for debate. Ok, I don't have any actual sources of my own, but it's just something that I've always thought to be correct. Here's a quote from Wikipedia about chickens and castrated cocks ie. capons: quote:One of the earliest records of caponisation occurred during the time of the Roman Republic. The Lex Faunia of 162 BC forbade fattening hens to conserve grain rations. To get around this the Romans instead castrated roosters, which resulted in a doubling of size.[2]:305 It was also practiced later throughout medieval times with gastronomic texts describing capons as preferred poultry since the ordinary fowl of the farmyard was regarded as peasant fare and "popular malice crediting monks with a weakness for capons." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capon Grand Fromage posted:Bibant, quoniam esse nolunt. 
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Aug 12, 2016 10:11
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Btw, was there anything that the Romans didn't eat?
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Hogge Wild posted:Btw, was there anything that the Romans didn't eat? Time for some research 
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Aug 12, 2016 10:18
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Grand Fromage posted:Bibant, quoniam esse nolunt. Looking it up, wikipedia mentions "sacred chickens" without specifying sex. I was actually thinking of cockfights. 
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Aug 12, 2016 10:39
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Typically cultures don't eat pet animals and Romans kept cats and dogs, so I doubt they were eaten in anything other than extreme famine. Otherwise uh. Humans? I can't think of any Roman food taboos. There's only so picky you can be about your food when you're at subsistence. The Roman food infrastructure was good for the time and they had much less food insecurity than a lot of comparable societies but it wasn't anything like a modern developed country. Roman religion didn't impose any food rules I'm aware of.
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Several Roman sources, including Pliny the Elder, claim quail are poisonous and should not be eaten, so there's one thing they apparently didn't eat...
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That's weird, wonder where they came up with that idea.
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Aug 12, 2016 10:55
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Grand Fromage posted:That's weird, wonder where they came up with that idea. maybe from greeks didn't some philosopher say that spiders had 6 legs or something
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Aug 12, 2016 11:01
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You can still find Capons in bigger grocery stores from time to time. Frozen section usually.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:51
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Pellisworth posted:This looks unbelievably dangerous and stupid. Human history clearly states this is in no way an impediment or restriction on what people will do.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:38
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Has there ever been a culture anywhere in the world that practiced A Balanced Breakfast?
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Aug 12, 2016 17:10
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Back in the dark days before the American Empire, around 1 BT (before trump)
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There's no distinction between breakfast food and the food you'd eat for other meals for East Asian cultures (I assume all of them- it's true at least of Korea) so I guess so? I always sort of assumed breakfast as a distinct thing is just a European thing though, does it actually show up in other places?
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Aug 12, 2016 17:14
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It's entirely a product of marketing and lobbying.
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Koramei posted:There's no distinction between breakfast food and the food you'd eat for other meals for East Asian cultures (I assume all of them- it's true at least of Korea) so I guess so? Depends what you mean by distinct. The Asian food cultures I have experience with don't have as strong of a distinction--people don't think a fish and spicy noodles are weird for breakfast or whatever--but there are certainly foods that are more commonly consumed as breakfast than at other times. Youtiao and mantou in China, the local versions of congee in Thailand and Vietnam, tamago kake gohan in Japan, etc. Korea's actually the only culture I can think of that doesn't have distinct breakfast foods, though Korean breakfasts certainly do have a theme.
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Baron Porkface posted:Has there ever been a culture anywhere in the world that practiced A Balanced Breakfast? The concept of a balanced breakfast is dependent on an understanding of nutrition, which existed in only rudimentary forms until fairly recently. Agriculture was incredibly labor-intensive. They'd have to consume 3-4,000 Calories a day at least - twice that during parts of the year. People ate whatever they could get, as much as they could lay their hands on.
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Angry Salami posted:Several Roman sources, including Pliny the Elder, claim quail are poisonous and should not be eaten, so there's one thing they apparently didn't eat... They wouldn't be saying that if people didn't eat them, though. Like, you don't have several sources saying people shouldn't eat deadly nightshade or whatever.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:10
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Deteriorata posted:Agriculture was incredibly labor-intensive. They'd have to consume 3-4,000 Calories a day at least - twice that during parts of the year. People ate whatever they could get, as much as they could lay their hands on. They also often ate whenever they were hungry rather than at fixed times. Farmers would carry nuts or whatever to snack on while working in the field, stuff like that. Having three meals at set times became a thing with industrialisation, as far as I know.
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Aug 12, 2016 19:26
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In Taiwan the most popular breakfast is the "American style hamburger" which if you've seen one is anything but. It's a sad patty on a thin bun with a fried egg. Maybe some sauce and some veggies. It makes McDonald's look glamorous.
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Hogge Wild posted:Of course 'relatively modern' is a bit broad term, but iirc it was quite common to eat poultry in medieval era. And I think that the most important function for the cattle in Greece was to pull plows. One Thing You Did Not Know About Cattle In Days Of Yore: their most important function is that they eat stuff you can't eat and they create poo poo. Because that is how you get fertilizer for your fields.
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feedmegin posted:They wouldn't be saying that if people didn't eat them, though. Like, you don't have several sources saying people shouldn't eat deadly nightshade or whatever. Quails aren't poisonous, though. I'd imagine a lot of people did eat them, while rolling their eyes at this "poisonous quails" bullshit. Ancient sources are notorious for being hilariously wrong about animals. Often you look at what ancient sources say about, let's say crows, and you would have to conclude those people were seriously demented. They obviously weren't, but apparently the overlap between people who could write and people who went out to look at what animals were actually doing was zero
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Libluini posted:Quails aren't poisonous, though. I'd imagine a lot of people did eat them, while rolling their eyes at this "poisonous quails" bullshit. Varro seemed to have some idea of bovine behavior/training. Cato, not as much ("if your ox is sick, give it this magic mixture; the slave who gives it must be fasting"). Aristotle also either did his own research or relied heavily on those who did their own. Still lots of things wrong, but some surprising things right that you'd only get if somebody went out to look at what animals were actually doing.
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Aristotle's the weirdest one to me. His descriptions of animals are so polarized between surprisingly factual and outrageously ridiculous that it is hard to imagine his process for coming to those conclusions.
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Aug 13, 2016 18:39
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Look up aristotle's catfish.
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Cato also believed in cabbage as the cure for a wide variety of ailments. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cato/De_Agricultura/K*.html quote:In case of deafness, macerate cabbage with wine, press out the juice, and instil warm water into the ear, and you will soon know that your hearing is improved. An application of cabbage to a malignant scab will cause it to heal without ulcerating
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Jazerus posted:Aristotle's the weirdest one to me. His descriptions of animals are so polarized between surprisingly factual and outrageously ridiculous that it is hard to imagine his process for coming to those conclusions. He is reported to have been a very hands-on person so it's doubly confusing.
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sarmhan posted:Cato also believed in cabbage as the cure for a wide variety of ailments. No wonder everything he said could easily be characterized as "long, dry fart."
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Random beliefs that something is deadly poison continued for a long time. Into the 19th century there were people who believed raw tomatoes would absolutely kill you, even though other cultures had had no issue eating them.
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I guess it's not really something you rush out to try to falsify
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fishmech posted:Random beliefs that something is deadly poison continued for a long time. Into the 19th century there were people who believed raw tomatoes would absolutely kill you, even though other cultures had had no issue eating them. Fan death
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Also GMOs and wi-fi. Meanwhile, consuming far more poisonous things such as alcohol continues to be a major pastime the world over. People are dumb.
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Ras Het posted:Fan death "Fan death" is also a euphemism for suicide, the way "a short illness" often is in America.
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Cabbages are a big fuckig deal, just ask Diocletian
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sarmhan posted:Cato also believed in cabbage as the cure for a wide variety of ailments. Well if you are deaf because your ear is full of wax his solution might actually work, although not because of the cabbage but because the water loosens the wax making you hear a bit better.
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fishmech posted:"Fan death" is also a euphemism for suicide, the way "a short illness" often is in America.
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After Alexander died and his empire split up, did the Greeks stick with the longer sarrissa or did they quickly switch back to more of a shield and spear formation? I've read that the Sarissa was introduced by Phillip of Macedon. Is that the first time stupidly long spears/pikes were used? While I'm asking about pikes, can someone explain why cavalry was so prestigious in the ancient world? It seems like most of the heavy lifting in most of the battles I read about is handled by the infantry with cavalry usually only mentioned when they get driven off or penned in. With all these hoplites and phalanxes running around with spears ideally suited to driving off horses, cavalry seems especially useless in Greece but even Homer makes special mention of good horses and chariots.
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