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Bushiz posted:I mean, it's possible that Garland was offered up as a sacrificial lamb, and promised AG under the Clinton administration in exchange for suffering the slings and arrows of the senate in part of a Machiavellian 5th dimensional Chessmaster plan to dunk on the GOP. Oh, they probably do want him to get confirmed, but they had to know it was a long-shot.
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Aug 13, 2016 16:08
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iospace posted:Please tell me that's a real tweet. Half of it. Seems that guy deleted his https://twitter.com/TinyMuslimah/status/762703439109513216
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Aug 13, 2016 16:11
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Jurgan posted:Oh, they probably do want him to get confirmed, but they had to know it was a long-shot. It was pretty much a win/win scenario politically. Either the Republicans blocked Garland in a stupid power play (happened) or they get a guy they approve of on the Supreme Court.
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Aug 13, 2016 16:14
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RareAcumen posted:Half of it. Seems that guy deleted his Sweet. I want to use that now.
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Aug 13, 2016 16:18
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Bushiz posted:I mean, it's possible that Garland was offered up as a sacrificial lamb, and promised AG under the Clinton administration in exchange for suffering the slings and arrows of the senate in part of a Machiavellian 5th dimensional Chessmaster plan to dunk on the GOP. Yeah, it's likely that he was hoping that Congress might actually do their jobs if he brought in someone that seemed non-offensive to them. He overestimated them again, as he has before, and they wheeled out some pathetic excuse in hopes that they'd get Scalia 2.0 next year if they won.
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Aug 13, 2016 16:47
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Uh... call me dim, but I'm not seeing this. The guy asks her what's free about being required to veil. She replies that the KKK would know. Is she owning the guy or alluding to the fact that certain Muslim countries and social groups requirements to veil are the equivalent to KKK doctrine?
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Aug 13, 2016 17:39
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Samovar posted:Uh... call me dim, but I'm not seeing this. The guy asks her what's free about being required to veil. She replies that the KKK would know. Is she owning the guy or alluding to the fact that certain Muslim countries and social groups requirements to veil are the equivalent to KKK doctrine? She's calling the dude a racist.
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Aug 13, 2016 17:41
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Samovar posted:Uh... call me dim, but I'm not seeing this. The guy asks her what's free about being required to veil. She replies that the KKK would know. Is she owning the guy or alluding to the fact that certain Muslim countries and social groups requirements to veil are the equivalent to KKK doctrine? its a poor own because she implies that that the reason that clansmen and muslim women cover their faces are the same
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Aug 13, 2016 18:22
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Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:its a poor own because she implies that that the reason that clansmen and muslim women cover their faces are the same An expression of group identity?
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Aug 13, 2016 18:23
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Tarezax posted:An expression of group identity? i was going with terror for outgroups
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Aug 13, 2016 18:25
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Epic High Five posted:Do you people not know any Trump supporters IRL? I had an awful argument with my sister a couple of months ago that started with her objection to an anti-GOP meme I posted on my FB page. She's totally indoctrinated from listening to talk radio and Fox News, and kept on parroting all the right wing talking points. Obama is the devil (yes, she really said that), he's going to take all the guns, he wants to import hordes of Muslims, hates America, and he's trying to turn the US communist/Marxist/socialist. The issue of Trump and his train wreck of a campaign came up, too. "At least he says what he really thinks, and a lot of people agree with him" she told me. "He couldn't be any worse than Obama." I love my sister, and I tried to reason with her when she started in on Hillary; Benghazi, emails, Whitewater, etc., etc.. But she just kept regurgitating the responses that come with too much RWM. Eventually we agreed to disagree, but things haven't been the same between us ever since. My mother is more reasonable, and told me "I'm voting for whoever leaves my Social Security alone." But as the saying goes, resistance is futile and I never should've taken the bait. I'm reminded of a line from a 1980's movie; "the only smart move is not to play."
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Aug 13, 2016 19:02
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Samovar posted:Uh... call me dim, but I'm not seeing this. The guy asks her what's free about being required to veil. She replies that the KKK would know. Is she owning the guy or alluding to the fact that certain Muslim countries and social groups requirements to veil are the equivalent to KKK doctrine? I think part of it is that she isn't in a Muslim country so she has the freedom to wear what she wants just like a Klansman.
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Aug 13, 2016 19:09
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King Possum III posted:I had an awful argument with my sister a couple of months ago that started with her objection to an anti-GOP meme I posted on my FB page. She's totally indoctrinated from listening to talk radio and Fox News, and kept on parroting all the right wing talking points. Obama is the devil (yes, she really said that), he's going to take all the guns, he wants to import hordes of Muslims, hates America, and he's trying to turn the US communist/Marxist/socialist. Or honor killing...
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Aug 13, 2016 19:51
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Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:its a poor own because she implies that that the reason that clansmen and muslim women cover their faces are the same I read it as "a desire for anonymity".
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Aug 13, 2016 19:52
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I read it as "shut the gently caress up you racist rear end in a top hat" and I thought it was a rather clever burn...
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Aug 13, 2016 20:03
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Samovar posted:Uh... call me dim, but I'm not seeing this. The guy asks her what's free about being required to veil. She replies that the KKK would know. Is she owning the guy or alluding to the fact that certain Muslim countries and social groups requirements to veil are the equivalent to KKK doctrine? I read it as implying that the first amendment applies to everyone, not just white (nominally) Christian assholes.
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Aug 13, 2016 20:23
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Gustav posted:I read it as "shut the gently caress up you racist rear end in a top hat" and I thought it was a rather clever burn... this, there's no secret subtext. she's calling the dude an idiot
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Aug 13, 2016 20:31
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Popular Thug Drink posted:this, there's no secret subtext. she's calling the dude an idiot seriously how is this a complicated burn guys. Spoiler alert, 9/10 times when a non-Muslim starts being all 'but what about the people forced to cover up, by saying you should be free to wear whatever head gear you want aren't you ignoring their struggles???' they don't actually give a poo poo about those women.
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Aug 13, 2016 21:14
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This is one of the greatest developments in past few days. National Org of Marriage always does fundraisers to keep them running. Well about that... Please let People For Normal Marriage die for lack of funding.
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Aug 13, 2016 22:54
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This is one of the greatest developments in past few days. National Org of Marriage always does fundraisers to keep them running. Well about that... yeah. the anti gay movement is dying in america, hard.
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Aug 14, 2016 00:23
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RareAcumen posted:Half of it. Seems that guy deleted his twitter detected that he shrunk into a corn cob
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Aug 14, 2016 01:14
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Gustav posted:I read it as "shut the gently caress up you racist rear end in a top hat" and I thought it was a rather clever burn... Yup. It's weird that people freak out about the veils because some Christian denominations do almost the same thing. If memory serves it isn't even a requirement, especially considering that she could just quit being a Muslim next week if she wanted. It's almost as if... ...wait for it... It wasn't really about the veil at all!
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Aug 14, 2016 01:14
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Aug 14, 2016 01:37
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Holy loving poo poo you guys
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Aug 14, 2016 01:38
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Gustav posted:I read it as "shut the gently caress up you racist rear end in a top hat" and I thought it was a rather clever burn... Right, she was saying "if you have a problem with people covering their faces, deal with the ones in your own culture before coming after me." King Possum III posted:The issue of Trump and his train wreck of a campaign came up, too. "At least he says what he really thinks, and a lot of people agree with him" she told me. "He couldn't be any worse than Obama." Ad populum is a fallacy, but if we're going to play that game: 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. the anti gay movement is dying in america, hard. This, and I'm so happy about it. I'm almost hopeful that we can grow out of our bullshit religious identity. ToxicSlurpee posted:especially considering that she could just quit being a Muslim next week if she wanted. I guess, ideally, but I guess it depends on how much she loves her family. If she doesn't live in a western democracy, you can pretty much throw this idea right out.
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Islam does tend to frown on actually leaving the religion outright, charitably simply because it is tantamount to rejecting the community itself, but there is also a lot of conceptual nuance available between "full burqa" and "embrace apostasy." (Obviously, some women live in repressive environments where they have little autonomy in this and many other matters, of course). Like being a Muslim but not wearing the hijab, in more cosmopolitan Muslim communities. Then again, my mother leaving her family's specific sect of Christianity, let alone Christianity as a whole, was also a huge deal back in the 70s; and for many Christians this also remains true even in the West. There's a lot more room for self-expression and fashion in one's choice of hijab than, say, a Sikh guy has with his turban (which is broadly meant to be an expression of humility and explicitly not particularly fashionable). On the cosmopolitan side of the spectrum I tend to actually encounter in daily life here in Canada, a woman's choice of a hijab is basically a combination of a nice hat and the equivalent of a culturally Christian woman wearing a cross on a necklace- an expression of personal identity and creativity. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Holy loving poo poo you guys I know right? It's not too often you get an epic burn that also makes you think about things too. 
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Hodgepodge posted:There's a lot more room for self-expression and fashion in one's choice of hijab than, say, a Sikh guy has with his turban (which is broadly meant to be an expression of humility and explicitly not particularly fashionable). On the cosmopolitan side of the spectrum I tend to actually encounter in daily life here in Canada, a woman's choice of a hijab is basically a combination of a nice hat and the equivalent of a culturally Christian woman wearing a cross on a necklace- an expression of personal identity and creativity. I've never really see why on earth people get worked up about the hijab of all things, but then my grandmother's side of the family is Spanish Catholic and thus you'll see headcoverings and what not there - I'd almost swear that I remember some of my greataunts wearing something that looks like what is apparently the chandor at times. People just conflate the burqa, niqab, hijab etc because as others have said it's not about the veil. Thinking of the hijab as being a nice hat's something I've always done as well.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:13
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King Possum III posted:The issue of Trump and his train wreck of a campaign came up, too. "At least he says what he really thinks, and a lot of people agree with him" she told me. But the things he really thinks and says are objectively terrible and offensive. I just don't get this line of thinking. "He's just saying what a lot of people think". Like Mexicans are rapists and criminals? Deport all Muslims? American POW's are losers? It's a good thing that people are thinking these things and even better that a presidential candidate is giving them a voice? I mean, what the gently caress?
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Aug 14, 2016 04:14
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Epic High Five posted:Do you people not know any Trump supporters IRL? It's true. I'm related to one.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:14
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beatlegs posted:But the things he really thinks and says are objectively terrible and offensive. I just don't get this line of thinking. "He's just saying what a lot of people think". Like Mexicans are rapists and criminals? Deport all Muslims? American POW's are losers? It's a good thing that people are thinking these things and even better that a presidential candidate is giving them a voice? I mean, what the gently caress? "Trump just says mean things unlike Hillary that's killed people" keeps showing up on my god drat facebook feed and it's making me see red.
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beatlegs posted:But the things he really thinks and says are objectively terrible and offensive. I just don't get this line of thinking. "He's just saying what a lot of people think". Like Mexicans are rapists and criminals? Deport all Muslims? American POW's are losers? It's a good thing that people are thinking these things and even better that a presidential candidate is giving them a voice? I mean, what the gently caress? You can understand my despair when I heard her defending that orange idiot. I tried telling her some of the things you mentioned, but it was no use. It felt like discovering someone you love is strung out on drugs, but doesn't see anything wrong with that.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:45
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. the anti gay movement is dying in america, hard. While it's nice to see the anti-gay movement shrivel and die, the Religious Right is still going to be active. Anti-women right's ("pro-life") and anti-trans is their current focus. Though judging by the backlash against HB2, the latter part is pretty much stillborn.
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beatlegs posted:But the things he really thinks and says are objectively terrible and offensive. I just don't get this line of thinking. "He's just saying what a lot of people think". Like Mexicans are rapists and criminals? Deport all Muslims? American POW's are losers? It's a good thing that people are thinking these things and even better that a presidential candidate is giving them a voice? I mean, what the gently caress? Trump gives validation to the worst id of the country. Nobody likes to think of themselves as being wrong factually or morally, so they latch onto him for that. It lets them pretend that they are absolutely normal and never have to change. Hell, it makes them think they're being heroic by spewing their harsh "truth" to a foolish, brainwashed world. They'll defend whatever he says so long as he pays lip service to whatever handful of non-issues they think are paramount, like oppressing anyone brown. Same as any other right wing con-man we see in this thread.
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So if Obama said he hates cops and he doesn't care about dead kids who don't look like his hypothetical son, would Trump fans appreciate him for calling it as he sees it?
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Aug 14, 2016 05:54
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PenguinKnight posted:twitter detected that he shrunk into a corn cob I've been meaning to ask, is there some deeper reference here or is it just a non sequitur that amusingly got attached to the not owned bit?
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Aug 14, 2016 06:40
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I've been meaning to ask, is there some deeper reference here or is it just a non sequitur that amusingly got attached to the not owned bit? https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Yup. It's weird that people freak out about the veils because some Christian denominations do almost the same thing. If memory serves it isn't even a requirement, especially considering that she could just quit being a Muslim next week if she wanted. Yeah, I know that. Was just confused re. tweet.
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