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Saguaro PI posted:I think you're being uncharitable, Cirno, Paizo devs have at least three more feats they could churn out by tying a mouse cord around a limb and playing cup-and-ball with it. Cup-and-Ball Proficiency: Your armor check penalty no longer applies to cup-and-ball checks Improved Cup-and-Ball: You no longer provoke attacks of opportunity when playing cup-and-ball in a threatened square Prerequisites: Dexterity 17, Combat Expertise, Base Attack Bonus +2, Cup-and-Ball Proficiency Cup-and-Ball Expertise: You gain a +2 bonus to cup-and-ball checks while standing in normal terrain Prerequisites: Base Attack Bonus +6, Improved Cup-and-Ball
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gradenko_2000 posted:Cup-and-Ball Proficiency: Your armor check penalty no longer applies to cup-and-ball checks All of which are prerequisites for the Ball-Cupper prestige class. Nobody quite cups the balls like they can.
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Aug 15, 2016 12:15
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Look, I don't know much about his design experience...but if Buhlman and Reynolds are representative of Paizo, I'm sure Chris Cocks can cup the balls better than any of them.
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Aug 15, 2016 12:55
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Wanna be the ball cupper? Too bad...
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Aug 15, 2016 12:56
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 For the last time, the Cup-N-Baller class is perfectly viable as long as the GM makes sure to include enough encounters that can only be resolved by playing Cup & Ball. Yes, I realize the 3rd level wizard spell, Magnificent Cup And Ball can achieve the same thing, but that's no problem since it's limited by spell slots and the Cup-N-Baller can play Cup & Ball all day.
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Aug 15, 2016 13:11
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May I suggest you play cup and ball world instead? It really captures how it felt to ball cups as a kid.
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Aug 15, 2016 13:21
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Crafty Games's Ballcraft is pretty technical, but I think the complexity really helps simulate playing with balls more accurately, and the cup balance is a great improvement.
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Aug 15, 2016 13:48
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Really, the way to go is Balero: The Stickening .
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Aug 15, 2016 14:08
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To be fair, paizo's Warlock isn't the Warlock, it's the kineticist. And it at least seems like something I'd try rather than the other classes in that book which are either bog standard not wizards or actively terrible.
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Kurieg posted:To be fair, paizo's Warlock isn't the Warlock, it's the kineticist. And it at least seems like something I'd try rather than the other classes in that book which are either bog standard not wizards or actively terrible. Surprise! It's actively terrible.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Cup-and-Ball Proficiency: Your armor check penalty no longer applies to cup-and-ball checks Of course, none of that matters, because... Bigby's Beatific Ball-in-a-Cup Level: Sor/Wiz 1 Components: V, S, M Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal Target: Self Duration: 1 min./level You recieve a +15 bonus to cup-and-ball checks for the duration of the spell. Usage of the Cup-and-Ball skill no longer provokes attacks of opportunity, and any attackers targeting you for the spell's duration must make a DC25 Will save or cower in shame at the sight of your cup-and-ball performance.
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unseenlibrarian posted:Surprise! It's actively terrible. Even worse than the class that wrests control away from you if you use your features at all?
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Aug 15, 2016 15:13
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Imagine a 3.5 Warlock who has to punch himself in the face repeatedly to use his powers effectively. Also as a class feature you get the ability to store up punches to the face to avoid taking them later in the day.
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unseenlibrarian posted:Imagine a 3.5 Warlock who has to punch himself in the face repeatedly to use his powers effectively.
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Kurieg posted:To be fair, paizo's Warlock isn't the Warlock, it's the kineticist. And it at least seems like something I'd try rather than the other classes in that book which are either bog standard not wizards or actively terrible. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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There are ways to mitigate burn and at higher levels having high burn actually makes you stronger (If you pick anything but dex/con for your burn bonuses however you're basically dead) They're fragile but I sort of like the idea of ripping magma out of my brain to kill people and not having Wizard or Sorcerer hovering over my head. In other news: Monte Cook's latest kickstarter is up, and it's a doozy.  This is the minimum tier, what do you get for all that?  My favorite is the plastic hand. but it gets better, for $540 plus shipping you can have Monte Cook send you poo poo personally. quote:Pledge $539 or more quote:Imagine this: you’ve decided to run an Invisible Sun campaign. The rules aren’t too hard to learn, the setting material is easy to reference, and there’s some great introductory stuff, so you’re off to a great start. But what’s next? What if Monte himself provided you with a bunch of unique ideas? And those ideas came with new artwork, maps, and handouts for your players, and even a few new clues to mysteries in the game besides? And what if, month after month, he kept sending them to you, and occasionally sent you physical packages with even more deluxe props and cool stuff for your game? Did i mention that there's a higher? quote:Pledge $1,475 or more  And if you're absolutely insane? quote:Pledge $5,912 or more That is unless you're a verfied retailer, then you get 3 copies of the game at half off.
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Jesus Monte, don't be building your setting with 'exclusive secrets', that's just all the hallmarks of bad 90's design.
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BrainParasite posted:Really, the way to go is Balero: The Stickening . Personally, I only play the retro-clone Globes & Goblets as it really embraces the "balling not balls" mindset that Gary intended. EDIT: Those add-ons are ridiculous. "You get one of these decks or hands in the $197 box, but are you sure you don't want two? You'll probably need it! Also enjoy 8 dorky necklaces for 107 bucks!"
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Cascade Jones posted:Personally, I only play the retro-clone Globes & Goblets as it really embraces the "balling not balls" mindset that Gary intended. Or if you're a Retailer get the necklaces as a pack-in meaning you're getting $700 of customer facing product that you're free to mark up additionally for $300. You know, if you can actually find someone dumb enough to buy your magic onyx cubes.
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Watching people on my social media starting threads about Invisible Suns but putting in these ridiculous "this is NOT a place to discuss the cost!" riders or being all "well this looks interesting" when it really doesn't is both hilarious and depressing as poo poo. e: it's honestly amazing how people are walking on eggshells trying not to say this whole thing looks like a stupid idea. Everyone's all "well, I wish him luck!"
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I am halfway on board with games being made like Once Upon a Time in Shaolin. I think it would be pretty great to have Monte Cook as my GM patronus, sending me new and neat stuff every month for a year. As long as that stuff was for a game better than ones designed by Monte Cook, anyway.
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Gonna need a couple pulls from that sooth deck to get rid of the headache that ks caused me.
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For perspective: $6000 could get you: 300 lbs of Chessex dice. A solid gold set of 10mm dice A pretty good Black Lotus 8 copies of every 5e book with an MSRP 12 cubic feet of ebony 100,000 8MM Black wooden cubes
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What Treasure Type table did you roll that on?!
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Halloween Jack posted:What Treasure Type table did you roll that on?! Treasure Type: Why?
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Or slightly fewer than half a million Tic Tacs. That's a million calories! Enough to sustain an adult human for over a year!
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If you don't want to run a dungeon where the PCs randomly find 12 cubic feet of ebony and 100,000 wooden cubes, I don't know what to tell you.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Watching people on my social media starting threads about Invisible Suns but putting in these ridiculous "this is NOT a place to discuss the cost!" riders or being all "well this looks interesting" when it really doesn't is both hilarious and depressing as poo poo. That's what's amused me so much about this. Like, of course, he's going to succeed in his Kickstarter, nerds are maybe the most slavishly devoted fans that exist, but I don't see anyone really even trying to claim anything about this looks good. The best I've seen is "well I've always loved Monte Cook's work and this looks like the sorta thing i would normally be interested in..."
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Actually, RPGNet and reddit seem to be okay with saying that the game looks dumb and that the price point is horseshit. I suppose I'm not seeing it much on G+ because most of the people I follow there are industry folks, and regardless of how you feel about a game it's pretty unprofessional to say the kind of things we do here.
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I don't get what the hell the hook on this game is. I can't get a good grip it. It looks like some jumble of themes that were popular in RPGs in the 1990s, and it looks like he took the board game/RPG fusion that FFG dips their toes in and pushed past the point of good sense. Other than that I am lost.
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I feel like if someone else was doing this we'd think it was a cool idea. An RPG with all the necessary components in one box, with everything themed appropriately, and including unusual game play pieces (a game board in an RPG sounds neat as hell, really) sounds like something right TG's alley. Especially since it also has old school box set pieces that are just there to give it some weight, like that cloth map. But it's Monte Cook, so the track record tells us it's mechanics will be be D&D 3e with a thin gloss of ideas someone else would make better use of, and the setting will be the least interesting possible take on a clever idea. Notable only for an embarrassing and socially tone deaf gaffe someone will uncover shortly after release. EDIT: Also the price point is pure nonsense, even with all the stuff in the box. Freemarket did basically this same thing at about a third of the price.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:I feel like if someone else was doing this we'd think it was a cool idea. An RPG with all the necessary components in one box, with everything themed appropriately, and including unusual game play pieces (a game board in an RPG sounds neat as hell, really) sounds like something right TG's alley. Especially since it also has old school box set pieces that are just there to give it some weight, like that cloth map. Well near as I can tell it doesn't use a d20 as a resolution mechanic, instead it uses the deck because you need the deck to play the "off site" games using the mobile deck app. But nothing in this box is worth as much as he wants for it. He's asking for 150 bucks to be allowed to playtest for him for fucks sake.
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EverettLO posted:I don't get what the hell the hook on this game is. I can't get a good grip it. It looks like some jumble of themes that were popular in RPGs in the 1990s, and it looks like he took the board game/RPG fusion that FFG dips their toes in and pushed past the point of good sense. Other than that I am lost. Well it has pretty components, talks about how epic and win magic is, and is made by a Name, so that's the hook.
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BrainParasite posted:For perspective: --pay rent for anywhere from 3 months to a year depending on location --decent down payment on a car
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EverettLO posted:I don't get what the hell the hook on this game is. I can't get a good grip it. It looks like some jumble of themes that were popular in RPGs in the 1990s, and it looks like he took the board game/RPG fusion that FFG dips their toes in and pushed past the point of good sense. Other than that I am lost. Same. Maybe I'm dumb, but after reading through the Kickstarter page (I didn't watch the video because phone browsing and  ) I still don't get what the game is, how to play, or how I'm supposed to do anything. If I'm going to learn a confusing game draped in "secrets" I will actually skip that and just re-read Evil Mastermind's F&F of The Secret Fire.
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Cascade Jones posted:Same. Maybe I'm dumb, but after reading through the Kickstarter page (I didn't watch the video because phone browsing and Ah, but if you drop an extra $150, you can get into the playtest and find out...!
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Bruceski posted:--pay rent for anywhere from 3 months to a year depending on location Hell 6000 paid for my car. Admittedly it's a few years old, but it's solid.
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As someone in the G+ kicksnarker thread for this put it, for less than the cost of the $1500 semi-extravagance tier, they're going on vacation with their family to another country. e: there we go, someone saying that you're paying for the "Experience" and you can't put a price tag on that. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Comrade Gorbash posted:I feel like if someone else was doing this we'd think it was a cool idea. An RPG with all the necessary components in one box, with everything themed appropriately, and including unusual game play pieces (a game board in an RPG sounds neat as hell, really) sounds like something right TG's alley. Especially since it also has old school box set pieces that are just there to give it some weight, like that cloth map. Nah, I'd still think this was stupid even if it was by, like, Greg Stolze or something, the difference being that someone like Stolze wouldn't feel the need to make a $200 RPG that hangs on a bunch of overpriced tat and pretentious boilerplate. And as someone else pointed out, FFG has already done stuff like this before with Warhammer Fantasy 3E which did indeed have some neat and interesting ideas and use components more commonly associated with boardgames, though this had its downsides as well. Hey actually this reminds me of another Kickstarter project, Keith Baker's Phoenix: Dawn Command, an RPG by the guy who made Eberron that's about reincarnating eternal champions and that uses a card-based resolution system. For $50 backers got the boxed game set which consisted of: quote:280 Tarot-sized cards, including Action cards, Lessons, School cards and Challenges. So a 120 page book, a 280-card tarot sized deck, a bunch of tokens, plus digital game aids, all for a reasonable price point. But it doesn't have a dorky plastic hand to hold the cards for you, so.
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