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bongwizzard posted:How is driving a fork tiring, you are just sitting there pulling levers? I had a cert for a while and being the fork op on a gig was like hitting the lottery. I have seen dudes get in screaming matches over who gets to drive the fork. You aren't doing it for a job all day every day, and you aren't doing it in a retail capacity where you are paid minimum wage to do it. Two completely different worlds, and if you've never ran one all day every day you don't know what you are talking about. My father was an excavator operator for almost 40 years and would constantly get pissed off at anyone that suggested "sitting down pulling levels" was babys first cushy job like an idiot.
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You also have to log all that full time fork lift without loving up so badly you crush some poor soul.
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YeahTubaMike posted:i love self-checkouts, partly because i have a tendency to use an ungodly amount of coupons but mostly because i don't feel like talking to anyone when i'm running errands 
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Aug 15, 2016 01:20
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when i worked at domino's anyone* who complained about anything was presented with a stack of applications waved in their face it was pretty brutal *except for like 2-3 people who were actually really good employees but even then it's not like they ever got their way on anything really
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Aug 15, 2016 07:23
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Moridin920 posted:when i worked at domino's anyone* who complained about anything was presented with a stack of applications waved in their face I'm starting to learn why bosses do that kind of thing since I stumbled into management. I'm incredibly lenient on my employees in an incredibly relaxed work environment but I still get horrible employees that want to take complete advantage and be huge assholes. Regularly now I'm basically waving applications at people because they are threatening to quit if I say the slightest thing to them.
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Aug 15, 2016 07:33
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bongwizzard posted:How is driving a fork tiring, you are just sitting there pulling levers? I had a cert for a while and being the fork op on a gig was like hitting the lottery. I have seen dudes get in screaming matches over who gets to drive the fork. sounds like someone who hasnt done a single day of actual work in their life suck the poo poo directly out of my loving rear end in a top hat ps warehouse lift drivers are loving retards and cant lift for poo poo
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Aug 15, 2016 07:48
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bongwizzard posted:How is driving a fork tiring, you are just sitting there pulling levers? I had a cert for a while and being the fork op on a gig was like hitting the lottery. I have seen dudes get in screaming matches over who gets to drive the fork. Bro do you even forklift?
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Aug 15, 2016 08:12
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Fat Shat Sings posted:I'm starting to learn why bosses do that kind of thing since I stumbled into management. This is how my boss tries to present himself when someone calls in sick once if five years and he threatens to fire them. "Incredibly lenient."
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Aug 15, 2016 08:30
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I support the forklift drivers, or as I call them, America's Warehouse Warriors.
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Aug 15, 2016 08:50
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Forklift operators are basically the tank-men of the Workman's War. Crane operators are the fighter pilots. Cashiers are the army conscripts. Bartenders are the special forces. Chefs are the engineers in the bowels of the ship.
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cheerfullydrab posted:Bartenders are the special forces. wrong they're the medics
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Black August posted:wrong True.
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CubanMissile posted:This is how my boss tries to present himself when someone calls in sick once if five years and he threatens to fire them. "Incredibly lenient." I don't even want to get in to how many terrible bosses I've had. People screaming, MLM sales guys, people talking to me in faux retard voices, people threatening to fight me, you name every terrible boss archetype and I've had it. However, I set out to not be like any of them and be "Incredibly lenient" I've been a worker at retail/manufacturing/manual labor and things like that for the past 15 years, and a manager for only 1 of those. So I haven't gazed into the abyss so far that I think I'm being a cool boss when I'm really office hitler. Just describing what I'm going through this morning would be a good indication of what I'm talking about when I say employees take advantage of my leniency but I don't want to type up a huge angry effort post.
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Being the nice boss sucks. I did scheduling and payroll for a couple of years for a 24/7 call center. I let people off early with pay if they were having poo poo days, took their horrible customer calls if they were getting frustrated, made schedules for the single moms that gave them time with their kids even if someone else had enough tenure to deserve that shift. I even bought doughnuts every month out of my own pay. People calling out because of 'car trouble' increased dramatically, I got more complaints about stupid poo poo that I otherwise should have had, and overall productivity went down. You don't have to be Hitler, but if you're not at least a Mussolini you're going to get walked all over as a supervisor.
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That sucks because when I have awesome supervisors I make it a point to never take advantage. In fact if my supervisor is a huge rear end in a top hat and makes my life miserable, that's more incentive for me to call in sick and not give a poo poo. If I'm happy there, I'm not going to try to weasel out of work. If I hate it (terrible boss) then my attitude becomes way more accepting of calling in sick. I once went 5 years straight of never calling in sick because I loved my boss and I never got sick (or if I did, it just happened to be on a weekend). I highly suspect that when it's an undesirable job, people are more likely to abuse a nice supervisor. For example, if I worked at Wal-Mart, I probably would take advantage of a nice boss. Because I get paid poo poo. But at a legit career, hells no I'd never take advantage of a nice boss. Quite the opposite. I'd come in with a broken ankle for people like that.
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Aug 15, 2016 13:31
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I find, and studies show, that people are less likely to be dickheads and take advantage if they feel they are being fairly compensated in pay and benefits. A lot lf that can be out of the first line supervisors hands though, so they can get shat on due to higher up decisions. Also im sure the goon is a "lenient boss" but i dont think there is a supervisor or manager alive that DOESN'T say "i have an open door policy/you can talk to me about anything/i will work with you". All say that and Iike 1% are able to actually live up to it.
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Aug 15, 2016 13:49
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im a sycophant so i really enjoy a strong boss. "cool bro boss" isn't able to get anything done
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Aug 15, 2016 13:49
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I hate confrontation and being a supervisor in a call center for 10 months was one of the worst things I've ever had to do. So glad I don't have to be the boss anymore and can just hang out and crunch numbers while listening to music
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I was in (lower) management for 8 years and what I worked towards was being "fair". I honestly didn't give a poo poo if I was liked because the only ones that generally didn't like me was balls worthless. This was well paid IT work though so people actually had incentive to show up and do their job. Except for Rita, she was an ok worker and man she didn't like me. That's ok though she hardly liked anyone including her only child. I left my last management position for my current job which I get paid more to do half the work and no one reports to me. Shits great man.
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Kumbamontu posted:I hate confrontation and being a supervisor in a call center for 10 months was one of the worst things I've ever had to do. So glad I don't have to be the boss anymore and can just hang out and crunch numbers while listening to music Yeah I do manual labor work but I'm asked all the time if I want to be a supervisor and lol if you think I'm going to tell a guy he's not getting paid for a week because he didn't shave his face properly before putting on his respirator. I mean I get that someone has to do it but I'm not going to.
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:Yeah I do manual labor work but I'm asked all the time if I want to be a supervisor and lol if you think I'm going to tell a guy he's not getting paid for a week because he didn't shave his face properly before putting on his respirator. I mean I get that someone has to do it but I'm not going to. Yeah, but what if he walked in with a chin strap beard. Then it'd be kind of worth it.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Yeah, but what if he walked in with a chin strap beard. Then it'd be kind of worth it. They'd probably make me terminate him.
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Krispy Kareem posted:You don't have to be Hitler, but if you're not at least a Mussolini you're going to get walked all over as a supervisor. Rutibex posted:im a sycophant so i really enjoy a strong boss. "cool bro boss" isn't able to get anything done Yeah I've learned that recently. I oversee two shift supervisors. I typically also work split 1st and 2nd or pure 2nd since I don't like working from 4:00AM and I choose my own hours. Two weeks ago I had two employees leave at 3:00PM and the next day I noticed their punch was 4:30PM. When I corrected it back to 3:00PM I got a threatening voicemail and had one of the employee's screaming at me over stealing his time, before long though he admitted that he was wrong and wouldn't do it again. I should have either fired him then or reprimanded him but I let the issue go. Fast forward to Friday. Someone anonymously tells me that the same two employees will clock in at 4:00AM and then leave work completely for random amounts of time (sometimes up to 2 hours) so I get here before we open for our first shift, watch them clock in and leave for almost an hour. When I met them at the door and asked them why they were clocked in at 4:00AM but were just now arriving (simply asking the question) I had an employee screaming in my face for about 15 minutes. Accusing me of stealing time (I'm salary) accusing my second shift supervisor of stealing time (who I work with every day) accusing me of retaliating over a temporary worker being let go (what? who? what?) accusing me of some kind of conspiracy to get rid of them by making up lies. When I asked their shift supervisor if they had been doing this regularly he confirmed they have been and then asked him why he had been allowing this (they are friends) and told him that is unacceptable he started threatening to quit. Not even a formal reprimand just "Dude it isn't cool to let people steal time like that" "gently caress YOU BRO, FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO DO MY JOB" So me catching two employees stealing time led to 3 complaints being filed against me about an hour ago. Not to mention the 3 people that found out they could access our web based timeclock remotely because someone in purchasing decided we didn't need the Domain/IP specific package anymore and people were clocking in from their houses. At the time I was opening at 4:00AM and I had an employee clocking in at 3:30 every morning. When I asked him how he clocked in a half an hour before I unlocked the building he stammered for about 10 seconds before saying he was breaking into the building, clocking in on the timeclock, then leaving no trace he was ever there like batman he would then leave, every morning. When I reprimanded those 3 and had them write up a formal statement they went straight from my office and all 3 filed complaints against me, again. Like, even if these guys start at 4:00AM, they want to come in at 4:30 or 5:00 I might have some minor "Hey let's work together guys, just try and get here on time" speech which leads to me getting 6 formal complaints against me and no raise or bonus due to bad employee feedback.
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should've fired them
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Zizek says that modern employment tactics create the illusion that our employer is our friend. This fabrication empowers the employer while denying the employed the right to vocalize and protest dissatisfaction of their working conditions. “You’re not going to stick around and help out? I thought we were a team? I thought we were friends?” I agree Fat Shat Sings posted:I'm starting to learn why bosses do that kind of thing since I stumbled into management. yeah don't get me wrong most of those domino's employees were shitters who left me with more work bc of their shittiness (I was the closing manager on the night shift 5 or even 6 nights out of the week).
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I don't know how domino's is doing, but every time I go to pick up a pizza there are like six teenagers in there and five of them are standing around.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:should've fired them Yeah I just did, now I gotta worry about Terrible "I beat my last boss with a hammer" Employee retaliating against me outside of work because I had the outrageous opinion that you should be at work if you are on the clock.
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Yeah I just did, now I gotta worry about Terrible "I beat my last boss with a hammer" Employee retaliating against me outside of work because I had the outrageous opinion that you should be at work if you are on the clock. hosed up and unreasonable of you to expect that, IMO
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I mean I tried to be a decent manager, if you had a legit problem I'd def care and try to work with you. Just a lot of people really do try to take advantage so you gotta be able to go from nice to get the gently caress outta my face in a moment. Some dude's paycheck was getting hosed with and I helped him out with corporate to get it straightened out, for example. radiatinglines posted:I don't know how domino's is doing, but every time I go to pick up a pizza there are like six teenagers in there and five of them are standing around. whoever is managing it is doing a terrible job of managing labor costs then
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We had someone who got caught with porn on his computer. He had kids and was an overall nice guy so I stuck my neck out and saved his job. Fucker then went and quit with no notice and left me covering 3rd shift and looking like an idiot. Although I get that. We didn't tell any of his co-workers, but there's always the risk of being known as THAT guy. There was someone at my last job who got caught with man-on-beast stuff back in 2005. He just recently got a job where I work now, which also happens to the a place a lot of his co-workers back in 2005 also work. The conversation went something like, "Lenny got a job here." "The bestiality guy?" "Yep that's the one." His name isn't Lenny, but a real unusual one, so much that I've never known anyone else by that name. Dude really should have moved or at least started going by his middle name. Krispy Wafer has a new favorite as of 17:07 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Like, even if these guys start at 4:00AM, they want to come in at 4:30 or 5:00 I might have some minor "Hey let's work together guys, just try and get here on time" speech which leads to me getting 6 formal complaints against me and no raise or bonus due to bad employee feedback. "Feedback" is ruining medicine and college instruction so I'm guessing it doesn't do much for management.
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I always find that the ones that work the system the most are the first to bitch and moan about inequality or how overworked they are in comparison to everyone else. Management has to stand up to it otherwise you get it entrenched in the workplace culture, and not just tardiness, just bullshit in general. Its why my company went from having meeting on a "if its needed" basis to now daily meetings where half my coworkers can bitch about form 12b-4 isn't being completed by new clients and there's absolutely no way we can proceed without it despite having done so perfectly fine just 4 months ago. I really wish my manager would call people on this poo poo because it has made it loving impossible to do anything when the operating rules of your job change on a daily basis because your coworkers have made up some new rule.
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The feedback systems in most businesses are the most cargo cult thing I've seen outside of actual cargo cults. It's like, "social science shows that providing open lines of communication is potentially valuable!" and CEOs go "10 points good, 9 points baddd!!!"
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Yeah I've learned that recently. I oversee two shift supervisors. I typically also work split 1st and 2nd or pure 2nd since I don't like working from 4:00AM and I choose my own hours. That sucks that is happening to you. If it makes you feel better, they're not filing reports against you because they hate you. It's because they know they messed up and are trying to save their asses. Like when you catch someone shoplifting and instead of just running away they scream and yell about how you touched them or something.
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I recently got an email from one of those restaurant delivery services in London saying they couldn't keep the business running and were shutting down. They were called Take Eat Easy, I think their shtick was that they all used bikes (as opposed to scooters or whatever). I only used them once, and that was only because the Vietnamese restaurant underneath me had vouchers offering £10 the first order and I'm a cheap bastard. Their main competitor, Deliveroo, had the same offer but I have used them a couple more times. I keep seeing Uber Eats around now so I guess ubers decided it wants in on this. Delivery with the other two only cost £2.50 so they'd have to take a pretty large chunk of the restaurant's profit per meal or I don't see how this could be profitable at all - but I see the deliveroo guys more often than taxis now so I guess it's going well? E: also yeah forklift work is tiring over 8 hours. Concentrating on not murdering your workmates or destroying stock for that long takes a toll
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They are everywhere here too. They aren't actual employees and aren't paid poo poo for long runs, its great.
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el dingo posted:I keep seeing Uber Eats around now so I guess ubers decided it wants in on this. Delivery with the other two only cost £2.50 so they'd have to take a pretty large chunk of the restaurant's profit per meal or I don't see how this could be profitable at all - but I see the deliveroo guys more often than taxis now so I guess it's going well? Long time delivery guy here. All of the delivery services either mark up the restaurant's prices, take a cut from what they pay the restaurant, or both. They also tend to pay their drivers per delivery only, unless it's a really slow night (in which case some of them "guarantee" something like $8-9/hr, but tips and delivery fees make up a portion of that, so they only make up the difference). In the case of Uber Eats, Uber takes a 25% cut from the driver, in addition to marking up the prices.
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Malkof posted:I left my last management position for my current job which I get paid more to do half the work and no one reports to me. Shits great man. same
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Fat Shat Sings posted:You aren't doing it for a job all day every day, and you aren't doing it in a retail capacity where you are paid minimum wage to do it. Anything sucks if you are underpaid and yes, compared to humping building materials all day in the sun, which is generally your other option, driving equitment is a sweet job. Edit: And poo poo, at least when you are in the forklift, no one else can run you over with the forklift. bongwizzard has a new favorite as of 12:43 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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naem posted:same don't you mean "saem"? LOL!
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