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CAROL
Oct 29, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Boiled Water posted:

Did you time travel to 2005 to get it?

We finally found John Titor

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Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Humphreys posted:

Probably New Old Stock:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/External...725.m3641.l6368

EDIT:
Speaking of N.O.S and obsolete tech. Found these valves/tubes at work yesterday.


Quality phone photo!

If you pm me a better photo/list of the types printed on the box sides I can tell you if they're the kind of thing guitarists like

I can make out one 12ax7 which is one of the most commonly used preamp ones but I can't really read the rest

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Shugojin posted:

If you pm me a better photo/list of the types printed on the box sides I can tell you if they're the kind of thing guitarists like

I can make out one 12ax7 which is one of the most commonly used preamp ones but I can't really read the rest

As a non-guitarist, why do guitarist like certain vacuum tubes?

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


A bunch of things, really.

The main one is that all the classic rock was recorded on tube amps so naturally they must be better!!!

In reality a vacuum tube is pretty bad at amplifying and prone to distortion. However, a few genres were actually created around this tendency to distort when you crank the amp so you end up with guitarists chasing "tube breakup". Combine this with most solid state amps you run across being... well, really cheap, with low quality op-amps and particularly really poo poo speakers, you reinforce the notion that tubes are better. In reality you have some very good solid state and particularly modeling amps available. You can get some actually very very good sounds using modelling software, a decent computer, and a low-latency interface nowadays!

And as for why it's specific tubes, amps tend to use only a few varieties. There are the 12A*7s used in preamps and phase inverters, and then power amps will tend to be a 6L6, EL34, or EL84. People will swear up and down that the old tubes were better (in some cases true, you can find lots of cheap ones out there, but I have a 1960s amp that does very well on newer production ones to be honest) and sound better than the new ones and depending on the variety a truly new old stock tube can be well north of $100 each.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
Techmoan's latest 70s audio tech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJo13FP4UpI

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Shugojin posted:

If you pm me a better photo/list of the types printed on the box sides I can tell you if they're the kind of thing guitarists like

I can make out one 12ax7 which is one of the most commonly used preamp ones but I can't really read the rest

I don't have PM access so here:

Click for huge:


1x 6SK7GT
1x 6GV8A
1x 6BV7
1x 6BA6
1x IS2
1x 6BL8
3x 12AX7
1x 6X9

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
Yeah if you can't find some vintage tube technology collector you could absolutely pawn those 12ax7s off on some kind of dumbass guitarist

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


I'm not sure about the others but yeah the three 12ax7s you should pretty easily be able to get $30-50 each. Too bad they're not one of the magic brands like the SUPER MAGIC WEST GERMAN TELEFUNKENS, you can apparently sell those to audiophile idiots for like a thousand a pop if you're lucky enough to find one

for perspective you can get perfectly serviceable modern-made ones for like $10 a pop if you need to use old tube electronics :v:

E: the only complaint I have heard from any old professional players is that the new ones don't last as long as the ones made back when the military was still buying them did. Not sound related at all :v:

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


muike posted:

Yeah if you can't find some vintage tube technology collector you could absolutely pawn those 12ax7s off on some kind of dumbass guitarist

Have heard that the 12AX7's are a popular tube. Lucky two of them are the same brand. My understanding is most people buy them in pairs?

Shugojin posted:

I'm not sure about the others but yeah the three 12ax7s you should pretty easily be able to get $30-50 each. Too bad they're not one of the magic brands like the SUPER MAGIC WEST GERMAN TELEFUNKENS, you can apparently sell those to audiophile idiots for like a thousand a pop if you're lucky enough to find one

I've been hounded a few times over the years to join the HAM Club in my city - might be able to make some money off them.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
My knowledge is limited to guitar amps but in general, pairs are generally the rule, kind of like RAM.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I think the idea is one tube for each channel.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I moved to a new office at work and noticed that the mouse on this PC was a bit slow and moved weird. Thought maybe the glide pads were dirty or there was a hair stuck on the sensor and had a quick look.

It's mechanical. I haven't seen one of those in a decade.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


My Lovely Horse posted:

I moved to a new office at work and noticed that the mouse on this PC was a bit slow and moved weird. Thought maybe the glide pads were dirty or there was a hair stuck on the sensor and had a quick look.

It's mechanical. I haven't seen one of those in a decade.

Literally a Ball Mouse? Wow. I haven't seen one in the wild in use since school.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Ball mouse, but also USB. The combination of that is even weirder on my private timeline.

The problem has now been resolved through IT sitting next door and not locking up their peripherals.

e: the new one came with a PS/2 adapter. I'm considering putting that on the old one to restore balance.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

My Lovely Horse posted:

Ball mouse, but also USB. The combination of that is even weirder on my private timeline.

Back in high school my biology teacher had in his office a big old stereo that had both a 7-segment display LED clock *and* an 8-track player. I think that was a product that could only have been manufactured for one week.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Humphreys posted:

I've been hounded a few times over the years to join the HAM Club in my city - might be able to make some money off them.

It's just 'ham', not an acronym, and yeah they tend to have an appetite for tubes, but if you have "audiophile" tubes, sell those to idiot audiophiles. Grandpas with ancient radios probably won't pay as much for a tube.

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!
Lipstick Apathy

My Lovely Horse posted:

I moved to a new office at work and noticed that the mouse on this PC was a bit slow and moved weird. Thought maybe the glide pads were dirty or there was a hair stuck on the sensor and had a quick look.

It's mechanical. I haven't seen one of those in a decade.

I encountered one of those one or two years ago while working for on of the biggest shipping companies in the world. Made me laugh cause, sure I get it dear IT department, why throw it away when it still works, but come the gently caress on.

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


Shai-Hulud posted:

I encountered one of those one or two years ago while working for on of the biggest shipping companies in the world. Made me laugh cause, sure I get it dear IT department, why throw it away when it still works, but come the gently caress on.

One of the best things lost after ball mice died was the simple feeling of satisfaction when you got one perfectly clean after years of neglect. Including washing the ball so it would stick better.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Explosionface posted:

One of the best things lost after ball mice died was the simple feeling of satisfaction when you got one perfectly clean after years of neglect. Including washing the ball so it would stick better.

I had blunt forceps (usually used to assemble surface-mount PCBs) that were perfect for pulling the stuck-on gunk off the rollers on a ball mouse. You'd get a grip on it and usually the whole strip of gunk would come off all at once, kind of disgusting but very satisfying.

These days I use an optical trackball at work, but being a trackball it still has 3 little "points" that the ball rotates on, and those gunk up eventually, so I still have to clean my pointing device.

RoyKeen
Jul 24, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Pham Nuwen posted:

usually the whole strip of gunk would come off all at once, kind of disgusting but very satisfying.
This should be a Tumblr ala "things fitting into other things". I really would watch .gifs of stuff like that.

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


Pham Nuwen posted:

I had blunt forceps (usually used to assemble surface-mount PCBs) that were perfect for pulling the stuck-on gunk off the rollers on a ball mouse. You'd get a grip on it and usually the whole strip of gunk would come off all at once, kind of disgusting but very satisfying.

These days I use an optical trackball at work, but being a trackball it still has 3 little "points" that the ball rotates on, and those gunk up eventually, so I still have to clean my pointing device.

I always just used my pocket knife with extra care because it was possible to drop the gunk strip down into the internals.

RoyKeen
Jul 24, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Explosionface posted:

I always just used my pocket knife with extra care because it was possible to drop the gunk strip down into the internals.

This is the dirtiest sentence I've ever read.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Pham Nuwen posted:

I had blunt forceps (usually used to assemble surface-mount PCBs) that were perfect for pulling the stuck-on gunk off the rollers on a ball mouse. You'd get a grip on it and usually the whole strip of gunk would come off all at once, kind of disgusting but very satisfying.

These days I use an optical trackball at work, but being a trackball it still has 3 little "points" that the ball rotates on, and those gunk up eventually, so I still have to clean my pointing device.

It doesn't compare to the crap you'd pull from a mechanical mouse, but wiping down the sensors on your trackball and having it come back looking like a Stridex pad from a 15 year old still feels pretty good.

As does taking your ball to the break room to lather it up with soap and water.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

The Ape of Naples posted:

This is the dirtiest sentence I've ever read.

The tip of my pocketknife was perfect for scraping gunk off of grubby mouse rollers. If I could build a career off of that skill I would.

EDIT: Goddamn I guess I sort of did. :smith:

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
Just because audiophile idiots were mentioned recently, from here:

quote:

When Takeo Morita worried that "tainted" power would affect the quality of his tunes, he installed a roughly $10,000 utility pole with his own transformer to get more electricity straight from the grid. And he's not alone -- there's a whole magazine dedicated just to selling audio-related power equipment, including poles.

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


My Lovely Horse posted:

Ball mouse, but also USB. The combination of that is even weirder on my private timeline.


That was a thing in the late 90s right before optical mice became common. The original Apple puck mouse that came with the iMac was mechanical with USB (because the iMac only had USB)

UWBW
Aug 3, 2013

Permanently banned from the Alamo
Incredible. At some point, this thread became a miniature time capsule, perhaps a bit ironically.

I see goons from 2012 talking about how "Virtual Reality Sunglasses" are probably a long way off, who knows, maybe we'll get them by 2014. The reality of that hit me so hard, I had to comment.

Also, for some content, how about THIS BAD BOY:



For those of you too young to remember (and hell, in this thread, that's probably no one) this thing was incredible. It was like a living, breathing encyclopedia at your fingertips. There were all sorts of moving pictures and diagrams (still kind of a big deal in the early internet days). Sure, it's nothing interesting now, and wikipedia pretty much outclasses it at every turn (except for presentation), but as a kid I would spend hours in front of the old CRT monitor looking at pictures of ducks and space and telescopes and all sorts of bizarre things. Pretty sure there was a version for kids, too, which is what I must have had, but google only returns kid versions made in 2007 or so.

Nowadays, Google stands upon Encarta's grave, it's flagpole thrust into the ground through Encarta's head, adding insult to injury as it waves its victory banner through the overcast sky. The funeral was attended by thousands of grieving friends and family.

RIP Microsoft Encarta, October 31, 2009.

Edit: changed image hosting, no longer leeching

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the future is WOW
Sep 9, 2005

I QUIT!

Trabant posted:

Just because audiophile idiots were mentioned recently, from here:

Audiophiles never fail to amaze me. They didn't even put that much effort into making those records!


E: I guess audiophile labels exist, but they're an extreme minority. And unless they build their own studios my point still stands.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Has anyone posted about movie formats, like VistaVision and Cinemascope? The one that I was most intrigued by was Douglas Trumbull's Showscan, which was sort of like shooting on 70mm but at 60fps. There were tech demos and short films but I think he never actually shot a feature with it. Brainstorm was supposed to be Showscan but I don't think it was. There are some primitive VR-type sequences that I think were intended to show off the format, like first person riding a rollercoaster and a hang glider.

The movie itself is uneven and bit hokey but I still love it. :unsmith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNiZP2G-nEM

UWBW
Aug 3, 2013

Permanently banned from the Alamo

Dick Trauma posted:

Has anyone posted about movie formats, like VistaVision and Cinemascope? The one that I was most intrigued by was Douglas Trumbull's Showscan, which was sort of like shooting on 70mm but at 60fps. There were tech demos and short films but I think he never actually shot a feature with it. Brainstorm was supposed to be Showscan but I don't think it was. There are some primitive VR-type sequences that I think were intended to show off the format, like first person riding a rollercoaster and a hang glider.

The movie itself is uneven and bit hokey but I still love it. :unsmith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNiZP2G-nEM

I hadn't heard of Cinemascope so I googled it real quick and... apparently, behind the scenes, it was enormously influential? Very cool. Still, I worked at Universal Studios for a couple months as part of a thing with the New York Film Academy, and never heard anyone refer to widescreen film as "scope". Then again, I was working with a much younger crowd.

Oh, and apparently a company won an oscar for developing a cinemascope film lens? I feel as though Wikipedia might be lying to me, here. On the bright side, it's a company in my town, so :patriot:

the future is WOW
Sep 9, 2005

I QUIT!

UWBW posted:

Oh, and apparently a company won an oscar for developing a cinemascope film lens? I feel as though Wikipedia might be lying to me, here. On the bright side, it's a company in my town, so :patriot:

Companies absolutely win awards for developing influential technology; I'm not really familiar with the film world but in audio Dolby has won Grammies (and probably Oscars) for their noise reduction and encoding formats.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
No one really knows why 24fps became the norm. Some think it was a happy middle between an affordable level of film stock (especially when sound came in) and flicker free projection.

Anything higher starts entering the uncanny valley of super crisp where our brains find it hard to parse because we are used to some level of motion blur naturally.

Showscan was just too much for people to handle and made them sick.

UWBW
Aug 3, 2013

Permanently banned from the Alamo

The Mentalizer posted:

Companies absolutely win awards for developing influential technology; I'm not really familiar with the film world but in audio Dolby has won Grammies (and probably Oscars) for their noise reduction and encoding formats.

If it was 2015 I'd make a Leonardo DiCaprio joke, but 2015 jokes are obsolete.

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.
Just finished reading this thread from start to finish, that was a wild ride.

Highlight: British Railways chat, anything with big dials and switches
Low point: every time mp3 player chat started, excruciating.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Lizard Combatant posted:

Just finished reading this thread from start to finish, that was a wild ride.

Highlight: British Railways chat, anything with big dials and switches
Low point: every time mp3 player chat started, excruciating.

Sorry for this:



Lazlo Nibble
Jan 9, 2004

It was Weasleby, by God! At last I had the miserable blighter precisely where I wanted him!

UWBW posted:

I hadn't heard of Cinemascope so I googled it real quick and... apparently, behind the scenes, it was enormously influential? Very cool.
If you had never heard of Cinemascope, you're gonna love Cinerama.

frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

Lazlo Nibble posted:

If you had never heard of Cinemascope, you're gonna love Cinerama.

This was a great read! The Hollywood Theatre in Portland, OR apparently started as a Cinerama theatre, I was surprised it wasn't mentioned in that article, as it is still in operation. They've recently installed a Cinerama-esque screen for showing 70mm. I saw the Hateful Eight, 2001, and Lawrence of Arabia, all of which were stunning. If any of you live near a 70mm theatre you should check it out!

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Not sure if was this particular thread. But my Nokia N97 arrived. Wow it's just like I remembered except it seems smaller. Will probably take me a week or so to get used to it.

Already went down the path of using JAF to flash a custom firmware to get rid of the operator specific one that was on there initially. It runs fast enough, and how I missed that physical keyboard!

Now to figure out contact imports, get gmail fired up and a few apps that I do use.

Size comparison to my current lovely phone (S4 Zoom) and old S3



Count down to when I get too pissed off at it begins now :P

Humphreys has a new favorite as of 13:21 on Aug 16, 2016

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

The Mentalizer posted:

Companies absolutely win awards for developing influential technology; I'm not really familiar with the film world but in audio Dolby has won Grammies (and probably Oscars) for their noise reduction and encoding formats.
And Emmies, for film, audio, and video products :smuggo:.

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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Lazlo Nibble posted:

If you had never heard of Cinemascope, you're gonna love Cinerama.

I remember seeing Who Framed Roger Rabbit at the Cinerama dome here in L.A. and if you weren't seated dead center it looked terrible.

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