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Oh Like !=
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Aug 11, 2016 23:10
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just say "isn't", you goobers
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Aug 11, 2016 23:15
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Raku posted:They'd just remove you from the courtroom and not let you say anything. What if I legally change my name to Jury Nullification so they have to keep saying it whenever they talk about me What if that 
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Aug 11, 2016 23:18
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:What if I legally change my name to Jury Nullification so they have to keep saying it whenever they talk about me You would have to go through life as Jury Nullification, which is its own punishment. also you would be referred to as Mr. or Miss Nullification.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:19
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Little_wh0re posted:The simple version is that a jury has an implicit right to find the defendant not guilty no matter how obviously guilty they are as a way to protest unjust laws. Unjust laws like occupying a federal wildlife preserve, destruction of archaeological sites/remains, theft and misuse of federal vehicles, destruction of property both federal and private....you know, obvious unjust laws
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Aug 11, 2016 23:22
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:What if I legally change my name to Jury Nullification so they have to keep saying it whenever they talk about me When I've been in for voir dire you were just referred to by your juror number. I mean, unless you were talking 1 on 1 with a clerk or something.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:23
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EorayMel posted:Have any of the Bundys tried to identify as a boat yet? Oh man, I'd die if someone snuck a poster into the courtroom that said "You are not a boat" with a drawing of a tugboat going "toot toot". I imagine that would go over like the wolf sucking a cock at some stadium
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Aug 11, 2016 23:25
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The usual sovcit claim is that everyone else is a boat, they're special because they aren't.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:30
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I remember reading about a judge who got tired of people using jury nullification as an excuse and just sentenced them to community service if they couldn't be on a jury.
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Aug 12, 2016 00:00
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Regular Nintendo posted:Wtf is |= It's the same as ~= or != depending on the syntax.
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Aug 12, 2016 00:48
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that there ain't the same as ah reckon
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Bip Roberts posted:It's the same as ~= or != depending on the syntax. a |= b ≡ a = a | b 
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Aug 12, 2016 00:59
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Raku posted:They'd just remove you from the courtroom and not let you say anything. We are probably going to witness this happening, possibly multiple times. I'm quite excited for it! Bip Roberts posted:It's the same as ~= or != depending on the syntax. ~= is such poo poo because that's also used to represent "approximates". I wish it wasn't used in SPSS... Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 02:14 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Aug 12, 2016 01:00
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I thought everyone used R nowadays except for NC State which uses SAS because the founder of SAS is an alum and pours money there
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Aug 12, 2016 05:58
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I know SPSS is still being used at the University of Oregon, at least.
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Aug 12, 2016 07:02
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:What if I legally change my name to Jury Nullification so they have to keep saying it whenever they talk about me "The defendant, John Doe, who we have watching from the next room..."
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Aug 12, 2016 07:20
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SocketWrench posted:Oh man, I'd die if someone snuck a poster into the courtroom that said "You are not a boat" with a drawing of a tugboat going "toot toot". I imagine that would go over like the wolf sucking a cock at some stadium Not familiar with that idiom. *edit* ↓ Surprise, legal concepts apply all the time and can have horrible outcomes. "Well your Honor, he killed that (black) guy but we just plain don't want to find him guilty." is no less likely than cool weed jury. Peztopiary has issued a correction as of 08:09 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Aug 12, 2016 07:38
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SocketWrench posted:Unjust laws like occupying a federal wildlife preserve, destruction of archaeological sites/remains, theft and misuse of federal vehicles, destruction of property both federal and private....you know, obvious unjust laws Hey! Woah! I agree with nullification in like possession cases.
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point of return posted:I thought everyone used R nowadays except for NC State which uses SAS because the founder of SAS is an alum and pours money there No. SAS and SPSS are still popular in a bunch of places, for being easier to use, and where there isn't a course structure dedicated to teaching people R coding.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:03
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Can we please get a course structure for teaching the people who work on R to actually get software engineers involved? Goddamn is that language a pain.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:05
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Just use Excel. That's what I usually see the social sciences people doing 
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Xelkelvos posted:Just use Excel. That's what I usually see the social sciences people doing Honestly I'm not sure that's worse. For anyone that has to use R, a basic number without any decimal is actually a length one vector of double precision floats, you're welcome. This also applies to character strings so 'foo' has length 1 . Also if you use matrices of different lengths in an operation it'll silently pad the shorter one out by having it repeat itself, because that's helpful and not going to create horrifying bugs. Also get in the habit of checking the source for things that make functions freak out because niceties like documenting what inputs cause an error rarely happen.
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xthetenth posted:Honestly I'm not sure that's worse. The only one of those I even partially understood was the matrix one, which sounds horrifying.
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Peztopiary posted:Not familiar with that idiom. My bad, swore it was a wolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUhgxIY0S3E Little_wh0re posted:Hey! Woah! I agree with nullification in like possession cases. Take it easy man, I was just listing off some stuff in response to what these sovcits see as unjust laws that the rest of us see as normal laws
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There's an interesting American Splendor comic where Harvey Pekar goes to jury duty and is a potential jurist on a case for something minor like pot possession, and he was able to get out of it after expressing reservations with minimum sentencing. He felt that even if he was upholding the law he still had objections to the implementation of it. Dunno how true it is to what happened, or how things have changed since the 70's, but that was the story. Like there's better ways to express dissatisfaction with the legal process and your mandated part in it than being Edgy McEdgelord and going all smuggo as you sneer out the words "jury nullification."
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Aug 15, 2016 07:53
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which is dumb because if you are a firm believe in JN you should keep your mouth shut and your head down so you can be a sleeper and pull a Henry Fonda
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cumshitter posted:There's an interesting American Splendor comic where Harvey Pekar goes to jury duty and is a potential jurist on a case for something minor like pot possession, and he was able to get out of it after expressing reservations with minimum sentencing. He felt that even if he was upholding the law he still had objections to the implementation of it. Dunno how true it is to what happened, or how things have changed since the 70's, but that was the story. That's extra fitting given this whole Oregon bullshit started with someone getting re-sentenced because of mandatory minimums, which I don't agree with except in cases of rape, murder, and DUI (because too many people get off too easy on the first and last).
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Aug 15, 2016 14:01
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It's official, Ritzy has pleaded. http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/refuge-occupier-jon-ritzheimer-pleads-guilty/
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ansel autisms posted:It's official, Ritzy has pleaded. Two and half years in Federal prison seems kind of on the light side here for one of the main players. Is that the max we can expect for the Bundiy clan if they force this to trial? They'd be out before all of the appeals are even finished. I thought they were going to make more of a example out of these fuckers.
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They'll probably be caught with a gun after they're released or trying to vote so they'll be tossed back in and locked up again anyways.
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It would not surprise me that he got a lighter sentence in return for pleaing guilty and testifying against the Bundys themselves.
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radical meme posted:Two and half years in Federal prison seems kind of on the light side here for one of the main players. Is that the max we can expect for the Bundiy clan if they force this to trial? They'd be out before all of the appeals are even finished. I thought they were going to make more of a example out of these fuckers. You can bet that any plea deals involved turning on the Bundy clan. No, they're going to throw the book at them for both Bunkerville and Malheur and they're using the others to sell them out. The Feds have experience dealing with mafiosos and terrorists by having the underlings turn on the big man that some podunk insurrectionists aren't going to escape them. Even the language used in Ritzheimer's statement is being made that Bundys weren't equals among them, but leaders, hence the comment about him clearing out the reserve before Ammon Bundy was to arrive. They're making it look like he was some conquering commander. Also, linked from that article: Roseburg Boy Names Prize Steer After Slain Refuge Occupier quote:A 10-year-old Roseburg boy has honored one of the occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by naming his prize-winning steer after him. And that steer is going to suffer the same fate as Lavoy: being third-rate and going to slaughter.
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Young Freud posted:You can bet that any plea deals involved turning on the Bundy clan. No, they're going to throw the book at them for both Bunkerville and Malheur and they're using the others to sell them out. The Feds have experience dealing with mafiosos and terrorists by having the underlings turn on the big man that some podunk insurrectionists aren't going to escape them. Steer means it's been castrated. Thought you'd want to know.
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Young Freud posted:You can bet that any plea deals involved turning on the Bundy clan. No, they're going to throw the book at them for both Bunkerville and Malheur and they're using the others to sell them out. The Feds have experience dealing with mafiosos and terrorists by having the underlings turn on the big man that some podunk insurrectionists aren't going to escape them. Man, seeing the kids brought up on this brainwashing is always depressing. The kid is nowhere near old enough to have any idea what he's talking about beyond what his parents spoonfeed him, but he's already spewing their favorite garbage, venerating their martyr, and passing out their magical documents, so he's got next to no chance of growing up with a healthy outlook. I'm kind of curious as to what kind of testimony the Feds really need for so many plea deals. Surely they have enough to bury the Bundys in the deepest pits they have already?
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Geostomp posted:spewing their favorite garbage, venerating their martyr, and passing out their magical documents, so he's got next to no chance of growing up with a healthy outlook. ... But enough about christianity 
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radical meme posted:Two and half years in Federal prison seems kind of on the light side here for one of the main players. Is that the max we can expect for the Bundiy clan if they force this to trial? They'd be out before all of the appeals are even finished. I thought they were going to make more of a example out of these fuckers. The Feds know they can easily nail Cliven, and probably all his idiot sons, hard enough to keep them in prison for decades and it'd be nice if they actually did just that considering the whole "armed standoff against law enforcement and openly encouraged violence against the BLM and its employees" thing. They're a family of domestic terrorists and need to be dealt with as such.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:... But enough about christianity You joke, but that's honestly where I was going with this. SovCit gibberish is basically a religion for these people. They cling to it with just as much fervor as any other zealot.
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Bombadilillo posted:Gonna be a bunch of dissapointed goons when Bundy gets 5-10. Which one? There are three Bundys who are going to be sent away, and it's a safe bet they will all get more than 5-10.
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