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ChickenWing posted:Yeah I think in the mind of Joe Average, no matter the restrictions on your life once paroled, you are still out in the world rather than locked behind bars. No matter how small the risk to reoffend, that's still a risk that didn't apply to you when the person was in jail. Well, yes. quote:Restrictions of his parole include the conditions that he does not consume alcohol or drugs, follows his treatment plan, not use pornography, stay away from any college or university campus, avoid his victims, and respect curfew. He also must not pick up or drive any female passengers in a car or use computers or the internet. As Jane Average, none of these measures would make me feel safer if I knew this guy lived close to me. No matter how low the odds of it happening to me personally, I would rather not get raped by someone who was previously convicted of the same offense and recidivated after he pinky promised! not to.
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I think I got stealth renovicted. The official reason was landlord's use of property, but I met the new owner today and he said he has all these upgrades planned. My former landlord, an absentee Chinese investor, sold for 30k under asking, just days before the new tax went into effect. I blame the loving Liberals for this 100%.
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THC posted:I think I got stealth renovicted. The official reason was landlord's use of property, but I met the new owner today and he said he has all these upgrades planned. My former landlord, an absentee Chinese investor, sold for 30k under asking, just days before the new tax went into effect. I blame the loving Liberals for this 100%. Hopefully you can find a place in downtown Vancouver so you can keep on going out drinking every night.
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I found a nice pad on Commercial, thanks!  It doesn't have a pool though unfortunately.E: just realized I've been posting about this in the wrong thread, whoops!
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Jan posted:Well, yes. Well then I guess it sucks for you that we can't keep people locked up forever because it offends your middle class sensibilities that you might be minisculely less safe
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A Typical Goon posted:Well then I guess it sucks for you that we can't keep people locked up forever because it offends your middle class sensibilities that you might be minisculely less safe It might not happen to me, but there's a "moderate-to-high risk" that it'll happen to someone. As much as I believe in the criminal justice system being about rehabilitation, it's not "middle class sensibilities" to realise that some people are beyond rehabilitation.
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Honestly, this guy is probably a poo poo and he very well might re-offend, but we can't build policy for one or two outliers. No one ever hears or thinks about the guy who's on bail/probation/parole conditions and doesn't gently caress up -- we only hear about it, or care about it, in one of the reasonably few cases when it goes wrong.
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quote:Canada's police chiefs want a new law that would force people to hand over their electronic passwords with a judge's consent. Better do what he says you guys. Anything less would be bullying victims. We wouldn't want to bully victims now would we?
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Jan posted:It might not happen to me, but there's a "moderate-to-high risk" that it'll happen to someone. What about this particular case makes you believe this person is beyond rehabilitation? The most likely outcome of this whole scenario to me seems like he'll get released then probably get busted for a curfew violation or using the internet or something and get sent back to prison for a few more years before they let him out to try again. Seeing as thats what happened the last two times he was paroled.
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THC posted:Better do what he says you guys. Anything less would be bullying victims. We wouldn't want to bully victims now would we? It wouldn't hold in a Charter challenge. Just a friendly reminder: if you're in a position where you think that a cop will seize your phone because you have evidence of something captured via it, there are a lot less avenues for them to take if you use a PIN instead of your phone's fingerprint reader.
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If I reboot the phone to force passcode entry, is that the same as if I didn't use Touch ID at all?
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THC posted:If I reboot the phone to force passcode entry, is that the same as if I didn't use Touch ID at all? No, in that your fingerprint can be used after the passcode is entered for subsequent logins.
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A Typical Goon posted:Well then I guess it sucks for you that we can't keep people locked up forever because it offends your middle class sensibilities that you might be minisculely less safe Aagar posted:I've had a thesis (untested) for a long time that people are genuinely unhappy with sentencing in general because of the perceived (perhaps falsely) discrepancy between the sentence and actual time served. A family member was busted for A Thing and sentenced to 30 days. Can't recall if it was 'good behaviour' or time served from the arrest or whatever, but that almost immediately dropped to 20 days. Sentence was served intermittently on weekends, but because they punched in at 7:00PM on Friday and punched out at 7:00AM on Monday, each weekend actually counted as four days. Five weekends later, they were finished and on parole after completing approx. 42% of their on-paper sentence. I'm not saying they should have served all thirty days, but it would have been more honest and transparent if they did away with the technicalities and sentenced them to the 12.5 days they actually served.
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It's a matter of settled law in the US at least, AIUI. They can compel fingerprints because those are physical facts of evidence, but requiring you to disclose a PIN is self-incrimination. I don't know if there is case law in Canada; light googling didn't find any.
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Subjunctive posted:It's a matter of settled law in the US at least, AIUI. They can compel fingerprints because those are physical facts of evidence, but requiring you to disclose a PIN is self-incrimination. I don't know if there is case law in Canada; light googling didn't find any. As far as I know there hasn't been precedence sent in Canada for this. However, it is pretty much that: you can say you forgot or don't know your passwords (in my case the latter is actually true) whereas you need to go and burn your fingerprints off in order to get out of being compelled to provide them.
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What's the app that lets you use a series of finger prints like index, index, middle.
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Criminal justice is set up for the benefit of society, not individuals either on the victim or offender side.
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cowofwar posted:Criminal justice is set up for the benefit of society, not individuals either on the victim or offender side. Do you mean that in a factual or aspirational sense?
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Subjunctive posted:Do you mean that in a factual or aspirational sense?
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cowofwar posted:Criminal justice is set up for the benefit of society, not individuals either on the victim or offender side. Once in a long while, people disagree about what policies would benefit society the most. For example, Americans think society benefits the most through free and unfettered competition between private individuals, while Canadians think society benefits from free and unfettered competition between petty regional interests.
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Wow this thread is such poo poo that you guys will obtusely argue about anything. Maybe I can get a PT6A hot take as well.
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Speaking personally I am generally fine with giving the parole board discretion, even if that means situations where somebody I wouldn't personally want to see released ends up getting released. It's fairly predictable and even desirable that the justice system delivers outcomes that are less than satisfactory because that's life, and I'm not so naive to think that I don't have as many personal biases as anyone else. You can dislike a particular outcome without necessarily condemning the whole system, much in the way that you can dislike particular laws passed in parliament without necessarily concluding that electoral democracy is hopelessly flawed. Also, I might be totally off base here but my gut intuition tells me there'd somehow be less resistance to the concept of punitive sentencing if we were describing some rear end in a top hat CEO who defrauded thousands of pensioners or dumped harmful chemicals into the environment or covered up the dangerous side effects of a product. I feel as though its a little hypocritical to deny that the justice system does have a punitive element to it. We can speak euphemistically and say that it's all about denouncing certain acts, but to me that seems like a tacit way of acknowledging that some crimes are so horrible they simply must be punished even in cases where the offender would be unlikely to reoffend. Given that my usual complaints about the justice system are police brutality, dumb or wasteful enforcement of pointless laws, and an unwillingness to counter root causes, it's a bit funny for me to be essentially on the "right wing" side of a law and order argument, but in my own mind this is just me being honest about feelings that I suspect most people have and are simply unwilling to articulate. Better to acknowledge such things and discuss them openly, where your opinions can be challenged or debated, rather than pretending you don't have any such instincts toward retribution. Or at least that's been my thought process. Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/765041984994107392 It's okay, he's
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Check out this moron: https://twitter.com/cbcalerts/status/765699382226382848 I'd never heard of him before but I hate him already. Also, why is his face so loving round?
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I so preferred the old less charismatic Harper than the new one.quote:“Canada is a country that values its freedom (and) its basic charter rights,” he said during a stop in Bridgetown, N.S., for an infrastructure funding announcement. So we need to give up charter rights to stay safe in some weird balance analogy. Currently, agencies can go too far and violate our fundamental rights but we're going to set something up in the indeterminate future to make sure they don't do that anymore [thunderous applause]. Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Ugh, looks like the "social conservatives" escaped from the pit Harper tossed them into. Wonder what Trudeau will do with his additional 4 years?
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tetsul posted:Ugh, looks like the "social conservatives" escaped from the pit Harper tossed them into. Wonder what Trudeau will do with his additional 4 years? Basicaly continue the CPC agenda while (un)dressing it up to be more palatable?
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Is it really dragging his feet if there was never any actual intention of reforming it?
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Trudeau is going to fix C-51 like Obama was going to fix the USA running roughshod over Africa and the Middle East.
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lmao where is that loving coward bunnyofdoom
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-overhaul-crown-corporations-1.3721831 lmao MPI and MLCC gon' get privatized sooner or later
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/shad-q-tom-power-host-1.3721405?cmp=rss Shad is stepping down from quote:"What it proves, I think, is the q brand itself was not that strong. It proves that the brand of the show is ... extremely dependent upon the brand and performance of the host," he noted. I always thought they should have given it to Piya Chattopadhyay, but apparently she didn't want it. When she filled in she was always a way better interviewer than Shad.
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I've always like Tom Power on Radio 2 but have no idea what he'd be like as an interviewer.
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why do people listen to the dumpster fire that is the cbc when there's bbc 6music is it because you all want to support aracdde fire and spirit of the west
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Coxswain Balls posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-overhaul-crown-corporations-1.3721831 gently caress the Conservatives. Let's keep racing to the bottom!
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Mauril Bélanger has died. https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/765722198845845504 ALS is a bitch. He was diagnosed like 9 months ago.
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namaste faggots posted:why do people listen to the dumpster fire that is the cbc when there's bbc 6music yes and I don't get BBC on my car stereo you fucker
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namaste faggots posted:why do people listen to the dumpster fire that is the cbc when there's bbc 6music Mostly habit at this point because it's what I grew up on. What's annoyed me most in recent years is the awful attempts at comedy shows. I can't listen to Because News without cringing. I keep wondering if the panelists have been told that the point is to make jokes not to actually try to win. They need to bring in some ringers from the British tv panel show world to show them how it's done. e: The Debaters is the one bastion of actually-funny-sometimes in the CBC radio comedy landscape. Unless you count The Vinyl Cafe. Entropic fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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