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We need to step up on the space program front, so we can finally and totally gently caress this gay earth and everybody in it.
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Cleretic posted:We need to step up on the space program front, so we can finally and totally gently caress this gay earth and everybody in it. We can have our own 9 Dash Line... IN SPACE
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Aug 17, 2016 02:43
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we should just put 9 dashes around Antarctica and wait 20 years like who are we going to have to fight for it? South Africa? Argentina? pussies the lot of them
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Aug 17, 2016 02:46
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given our level of diplomatic competence we'd end up with 9 daeshes
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Aug 17, 2016 02:47
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Birdstrike posted:given our level of diplomatic competence we'd end up with 9 daeshes 
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thatbastardken posted:we should just put 9 dashes around Antarctica and wait 20 years Antarctica always has been and always will be Australian territory. Argentina can't even take the Falklands, what chance do they have there?
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Aug 17, 2016 02:50
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Cleretic posted:We need to step up on the space program front, so we can finally and totally gently caress this gay earth and everybody in it. lol if you think we are ever going to space. We can't create closed systems in space and humans aren't equipped to handle it. Earth's getting hosed with no hope of escape.
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Aug 17, 2016 02:56
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Tokamak posted:lol if you think we are ever going to space. We can't create closed systems in space and humans aren't equipped to handle it. Earth's getting hosed with no hope of escape. Not with THAT attitude we're not. Damnit don't bring down my 'space is rad and we should go there' states 
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Aug 17, 2016 03:04
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We should all be so lucky as to die in the cold void of space
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Aug 17, 2016 03:32
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shoot for the moon, and maybe you'll burn up on the launchpad.
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Aug 17, 2016 03:32
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thatbastardken posted:shoot for the moon, and maybe you'll burn up in London.
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Aug 17, 2016 03:34
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quote:the spectacular gains we have made over recent decades through open markets and free trade Serious question, what do neoliberals mean when they say this? I hear this line all the time but the only gains I can see over the recent decades are in inequality and grinding growth to zero. Like, when I press for details the best I get is that society hasn't completely imploded so maybe we should just keep on trucking and not mess with poo poo too much. Help me help my dumb bad Liberal friends.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:Serious question, what do neoliberals mean when they say this? I hear this line all the time but the only gains I can see over the recent decades are in inequality and grinding growth to zero. Like, when I press for details the best I get is that society hasn't completely imploded so maybe we should just keep on trucking and not mess with poo poo too much. Cheaper imports.
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Aug 17, 2016 05:23
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:Serious question, what do neoliberals mean when they say this? I hear this line all the time but the only gains I can see over the recent decades are in inequality and grinding growth to zero. Like, when I press for details the best I get is that society hasn't completely imploded so maybe we should just keep on trucking and not mess with poo poo too much. They mean quote:the spectacular gains I have made over recent decades through open markets and free trade
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Aug 17, 2016 05:25
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:Serious question, what do neoliberals mean when they say this? I hear this line all the time but the only gains I can see over the recent decades are in inequality and grinding growth to zero. Like, when I press for details the best I get is that society hasn't completely imploded so maybe we should just keep on trucking and not mess with poo poo too much. Higher productivity, stagnant wages.  Also we redefined what poverty meant so that we could say that people had been lifted out of poverty through the power of the market. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 05:26
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:Serious question, what do neoliberals mean when they say this? I hear this line all the time but the only gains I can see over the recent decades are in inequality and grinding growth to zero. Like, when I press for details the best I get is that society hasn't completely imploded so maybe we should just keep on trucking and not mess with poo poo too much. The massive increases in GDP? Australia has done very well out of free trade, blaming the problems that occurred simultaneously on free trade is not much different from blaming them on immigrants or the end of the White Australia policy. Increases in inequality aren't caused by trade policy and jacking up tariffs wouldn't reduce inequality. [edit: I'm talking about free trade as a concept here, which we should be pursuing unilaterally instead of making stupid complicated deals. Those deals are what really appeal to the neoliberals because they allow for further weakening of state power and corresponding increases in corporate power.] open24hours fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 05:28
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Neoliberalism is broader than just an adherence to free trade policies. HTH.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:Serious question, what do neoliberals mean when they say this? I hear this line all the time but the only gains I can see over the recent decades are in inequality and grinding growth to zero. Like, when I press for details the best I get is that society hasn't completely imploded so maybe we should just keep on trucking and not mess with poo poo too much. gently caress you, got mine.
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Endman posted:While it annoys me to say so, we have to rely on America to be the limiting factor. It's really Washington that gets to decide how far this escalates. Comedy option: send in the UN. TBH I'm just as cynical about Hilary's leadership, the US is just as likely to be a paper tiger as it is a belligerent. Either way, China won't listen. Maybe we have to hope that Vietnam beats them up a bit.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:08
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open24hours posted:The massive increases in GDP? Australia has done very well out of free trade, blaming the problems that occurred simultaneously on free trade is not much different from blaming them on immigrants or the end of the White Australia policy. Increases in inequality aren't caused by trade policy and jacking up tariffs wouldn't reduce inequality.  Free trade as it is actually implement is a farce and Australia has done very badly out of it. I could have sworn I made an effort post about this not long ago. Cartoon posted:News just in!!! FTAs are poo poo and we should stop signing them. Now you can attempt the spirited back pedal about these aren't actually free trade deals (a point made in both the articles linked) but that makes your original claim look pretty loving incoherent (and I use the word advisedly). The only way your 'ideal' free trade agreements would work (in theory) is if there was an even playing field inside the linked trading nations. As it stands Australia sacrificed it's entire manufacturing sector on the altar of free trade when most of our trading partners subsidise their's massively. Removing tarrifs on ALL US imports while they maintained most of theirs on our exports and continue to massively subsidise their agricultural sector. et loving cetera. Oh oh free trade would work if it wasn't for that pesky reality that we find ourselves in. gently caress all the way off. In response to the original question open markets are equally a fantasy and real world fallacy. Economist are the most deluded man children of the whole gaggle and spout rubbish non stop once prompted.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:37
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open24hours posted:Antarctica always has been and always will be Australian territory. Argentina can't even take the Falklands, what chance do they have there? Argentina couldn't even take out 3 near geriatric car show presenters.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:38
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Cartoon posted:If you aren't talking about actual free trade as performed by the Australian economy and the subject of your 'Massive increase in GDP' claim then what the gently caress are you talking about? Here let me try and make it simple for you. Those graphs don't show what you think they show. The Australian economy is slightly more complex than that. Australia's manufacturing sector declined because it wasn't very good and couldn't produce competitive products without protection. One of the main reasons for this is that it developed in a protected economy and was composed of rent seekers who lobbied government instead of improving their products. I don't know why you're bothering to point out the flaws in various FTAs, as it doesn't refute anything I've said. Why not provide a counterfactual? What countries have retained protectionist policies and are doing better than we are because of those policies?
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Aug 17, 2016 06:49
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wish they'd put a tariff on cartoon's posts
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Aug 17, 2016 07:16
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they're closing manus
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Aug 17, 2016 07:21
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Birdstrike posted:wish they'd put a tariff on cartoon's posts noice
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BBJoey posted:they're closing manus wish you'd close your account.
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Aug 17, 2016 07:23
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hell, same
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Aug 17, 2016 07:25
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thatbastardken posted:we should just put 9 dashes around Antarctica and wait 20 years Err....we did that. Australia claimed large slabs of ice and it's not recognized by many countries. Only four other states recognise Australia's claim to sovereignty in Antarctica 'cording to Wikipedia. TIL that Australia claims an area called Kaiser Wilhelm II Land. Huh. That should put that on the test to become an Australian.
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open24hours posted:Those graphs don't show what you think they show. The Australian economy is slightly more complex than that. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp Compared to http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/gdp
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Are you sure you linked to the right thing? I can think of a few reasons a country with over 300 million people might have a larger GDP than one with 24 million that aren't related to trade policy. This might be what you're looking for, but not only is Australia performing better, even if it wasn't it wouldn't add anything to your argument. https://www.google.com.au/publicdat...dl=en&ind=false
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Aug 17, 2016 07:41
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Thank loving god. One camp down, one to go.
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Aug 17, 2016 07:49
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SynthOrange posted:Thank loving god. One camp down, one to go. all it means is they'll be involuntarily forced into the manus community where they'll have exactly zero support from the PNG or Australian governments, and they'll all be murdered before the year's out 
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Aug 17, 2016 08:00
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Here is a free noice for a good home (not in Australia though)
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open24hours posted:Australia's manufacturing sector declined because it wasn't very good and couldn't produce competitive products without protection. One of the main reasons for this is that it developed in a protected economy and was composed of rent seekers who lobbied government instead of improving their products. Manufacturing declined across the West because it was far, far cheaper to outsource it. If anything quality has dropped, we just don't mind replacing things more often as they're comparably cheap. Or, in the case of certain big name brands, we just accept they have a shelf life of a couple of years before upgrading. The US has retained and implemented protectionist policies. Edit: beaten Nibbles! fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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open24hours posted:Australia's manufacturing sector declined because it wasn't very good and couldn't produce competitive products without protection. One of the main reasons for this is that it developed in a protected economy and was composed of rent seekers who lobbied government instead of improving their products. Unilaterally getting rid of tariffs seems a bit dumb if you're the first one to do it, it's a massive freebie to everyone else. Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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How good you are at manufacturing is measured by how many people want to buy your products. It doesn't matter if you can make a washing machine that lasts for 100 years if no one is interested. The question wasn't if anyone had retained protectionist policies, it was whether they were doing better because of protectionist policies. Mr Chips posted:They were also competing against manufacturers in economies that were/are still protected by tariffs, and also had access to cheap government loans. There's decent evidence that unilaterally reducing tariffs has been successful in the past. Seemed to work for New Zealand. open24hours fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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open24hours posted:Are you sure you linked to the right thing? I can think of a few reasons a country with over 300 million people might have a larger GDP than one with 24 million that aren't related to trade policy. One graph is going up. One is going down. The US one is going up. The Australian one is going down. Population has nothing to do with it, however it does point to how utterly disingenuous your required task was. quote:What countries have retained protectionist policies and are doing better than we are because of those policies. Thanks for so elegantly pointing that out.
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BBJoey posted:all it means is they'll be involuntarily forced into the manus community where they'll have exactly zero support from the PNG or Australian governments, and they'll all be murdered before the year's out Baby steps. Its not as if you can stop systematically violating human rights and dignity on a massive industrial basis overnight.
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tariffs being bad for the economy is high school level economics I've forgotten how the formulae work so I'm just going to post this picture proving that cartoon is deadweight loss on this topic  owned, bitch
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