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Aug 15, 2016 19:28
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Xenomrph posted:As I think about it, Bay's movies seem more similar to Tony Scott than Ridley; a lot of use of borderline blown-out, "hyper-real" lighting and contrast, frenetic editing to convey action. Yeah Bay took basically everything from Tony Scott that wasn't nailed down.
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Aug 15, 2016 20:39
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General Battuta posted:Ridley Scott is a weird director. Does he have a style? The Coen Brothers have a style, PT Anderson has a style, the Equilibrium guy has an awful but distinctive style. Ridley Scott made some of the most iconic movies in science fiction but I don't know what. Ridley Scott movie looks like. Maybe that's a cool and good thing. Are you for real? I swear Ridley Scott movies are some of the most recognizable on the planet. I'll admit I'd have a hard time really describing his aesthetic aside from maybe "looks like a layer of gloss has been applied to the screen" but I'm legit dumbfounded at questioning whether Ridley Scott of all people has a style.
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Aug 15, 2016 20:48
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Pretty sure there was a poster earlier who was asking about similar themes of humanity and questions of self-identity through Ridley's movies and they completely blanked on Blade Runner, so questions like that are a step up actually. Also, as far as intricate set design, Hannibal utilized every inch of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwv7-YkhKs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgOO8Z-FoKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJz6eFgwgkA ruddiger fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Sep 26, 2016 |
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Aug 15, 2016 21:13
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Legend is too often forgotten when talking about Ridley's typically amazing set design. He realized that no real forest was going to live up to what he had in his mind so he said gently caress it we'll just build one.
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Aug 15, 2016 21:26
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ruddiger posted:Pretty sure there was a poster earlier who was asking about similar themes of humanity and questions of self-identity through Ridley's movies and they completely blanked on Blade Runner, so questions like that are a step up actually. Thanks for the correction, it's been a long time since I watched any of those (although I've been meaning to go back and rewatch the three Anthony Hopkins Hannibal Lecter movies).
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Aug 15, 2016 21:28
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Xenomrph posted:Thanks for the correction, it's been a long time since I watched any of those (although I've been meaning to go back and rewatch the three Anthony Hopkins Hannibal Lecter movies). Are you not a fan of Manhunter? If you haven't seen it then you definitely should include it in your Lecter marathon.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:23
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Basebf555 posted:Are you not a fan of Manhunter? If you haven't seen it then you definitely should include it in your Lecter marathon. I've never seen it, and I do want to watch it. I like Brian Cox a lot. For that matter I've also been meaning to check out the recent Hannibal series since I heard it was good and it's available for streaming now. I can Hannibal Lecter myself into a coma! 
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Aug 15, 2016 22:33
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Xenomrph posted:I've never seen it, and I do want to watch it. I like Brian Cox a lot. I would consider Manhunter and Silence to be of the same quality but for different reasons.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:05
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I'll definitely check out Manhunter. Do you guys know off the top of your head if it's available for streaming anywhere? If you don't know, I can just google it when I get home.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:17
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I don't think Manhunter is currently free on any streaming service. I bought the Shout Factory blu ray recently and its fantastic, its my favorite Michael Mann film by a wide margin.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:23
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General Battuta posted:Ridley Scott is a weird director. Does he have a style? The Coen Brothers have a style, PT Anderson has a style, the Equilibrium guy has an awful but distinctive style. Ridley Scott made some of the most iconic movies in science fiction but I don't know what. Ridley Scott movie looks like. Maybe that's a cool and good thing. Intricate backgrounds, atmospheric lighting, slow-paced storytelling, and long serene takes contrasted with rapid-fire cuts that match a character's emotional state.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:30
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Yeah Bay took basically everything from Tony Scott that wasn't nailed down.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:44
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Basebf555 posted:I don't think Manhunter is currently free on any streaming service. I bought the Shout Factory blu ray recently and its fantastic, its my favorite Michael Mann film by a wide margin. Yaws posted:...and does everything much much worse.
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Aug 16, 2016 00:03
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I always thought of Scott's trademarks as establishing shots that are a little more naturalistic and less "in your face" than what you see in a lot of other flicks (especially today) but much more detailed. He does both by having an extreme contrast to his lighting. Everything is either gloriously bright, revealing a lot of detail, or almost black, but with enough props/furniture/whatever that you get an immediate picture of what's going on. He also has lots of shots where the scenery naturally builds a "frame" on the sides of what we're looking at. I guess you could put both of those together and say it kinda sorta boils down to his vision for The Duelists which was "make everything look like you're looking at a late baroque (dark but with as single harsh light source) or impressionist painting." Those two aspects of how he did that in his first feature can be found at points in everything he's done imo. But can you really sum that up easily, "his style is it looks like a painting" is pretty vague. But to me that's what stands out even in his movies that at a glance look "plain" like Matchstick Men.
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Aug 16, 2016 00:11
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Xenomrph posted:I'll have to see if I can track down a copy of the bluray for cheap, thanks! While I appreciate your rebuttal, I stand firmly by my belief that Bay makes dreck for dullards.
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Aug 16, 2016 00:12
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ruddiger posted:Pretty sure there was a poster earlier who was asking about similar themes of humanity and questions of self-identity through Ridley's movies and they completely blanked on Blade Runner, so questions like that are a step up actually. Hannibal was a book that screamed "I'm only writing this for the movie deal/to retain control of the characters," but the movie brought the book locations to life. It was literally just as I had visualized it in the book, much in the same way that Peter Jackson nailed Rivendell.
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Aug 16, 2016 00:21
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Yaws posted:While I appreciate your rebuttal, I stand firmly by my belief that Bay makes dreck for dullards.  I definitely feel that even if Bay's movies lack in many areas, there's definitely things he's really good at (and certainly better than Tony Scott in those areas, as much as I like Scott's movies).
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Aug 16, 2016 00:24
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I'll give Bay this, he did manage to turn it into his own thing. But no Tony Scott, no Bay. Re: Ridley, I still think Hannibal is pretty underrated.
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Aug 16, 2016 00:27
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This pretty well explains Michael Bay technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2THVvshvq0Q
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Aug 16, 2016 00:29
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Xenomrph posted:We're talking about a 35 year old multimedia franchise about penis rape monsters that has been thoroughly run into the ground and crossed over with superheroes and literally killed and resurrected its main character. If you can't stop and laugh about where the franchise has been and where it's going every once in a while, then I dunno man. *slowly removes glove from hand, and slaps you across the face with it* "Pistols at dawn if you please, sir."
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Aug 16, 2016 06:13
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Gargamel Gibson posted:Anyone here listening to the Alien Minute podcast? This is good stuff, cheers for mentioning it.
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Aug 16, 2016 16:27
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As a huge Ridley Scott fan, I guess its embarrassing that I haven't seen The Duelists. It's good right?
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Aug 16, 2016 16:40
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Basebf555 posted:As a huge Ridley Scott fan, I guess its embarrassing that I haven't seen The Duelists. It's good right? 'I am going to be killed responsibly, on horseback, as a compliment to the cavalry.'  I liked it.
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Aug 16, 2016 16:56
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If nothing else, The Duelists has some sick duels.
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Aug 16, 2016 17:00
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It's breathtakingly beautiful to look at for a large part of its running time too. It's almost cheating though, they got to film in a lot of the original buildings and estates where, if the story were true, a lot of its events and conversations would have taken place.
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Aug 16, 2016 17:39
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Neo Rasa posted:It's breathtakingly beautiful to look at for a large part of its running time too. It's almost cheating though, they got to film in a lot of the original buildings and estates where, if the story were true, a lot of its events and conversations would have taken place. Any similarity to Barry Lyndon or is that just wishful thinking?
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Aug 16, 2016 17:45
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You're in luck, The Duellists was heavily influenced by Barry Lyndon.
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Aug 16, 2016 18:11
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I will always defend the loooong version nof Kingdom Of Heaven, it is fantastic
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Aug 16, 2016 20:03
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brocked posted:I will always defend the loooong version nof Kingdom Of Heaven, it is fantastic It is good. I will always consider Orlando Bloom to be the weakest link in that movie.
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Aug 17, 2016 08:12
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brocked posted:I will always defend the loooong version nof Kingdom Of Heaven, it is fantastic Oh yeah, it's great. The attitudes of the characters are almost hilariously anachronistic, but that's to be expected as it's a 21st-century secular humanist response to 21st-century sectarian violence using the Crusades as a heavy-handed metaphor and also an excuse for some sick duels.
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Aug 17, 2016 15:52
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blackguy32 posted:It is good. I will always consider Orlando Bloom to be the weakest link in that movie. He's fine in the first half, where he's just a blacksmith trying to live his life and get over a loss. Its when he ends up as ruler of a whole castle, responsible for a massive siege defense, that I just can't buy him in the role. He's just so tiny, he always looks like a kid wearing adult size armor.
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Aug 17, 2016 16:02
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Orlando Bloom is just a bad actor.
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Aug 17, 2016 16:06
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he's not amazing, but he's done some good work. watch "Zulu" sometime
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Aug 17, 2016 19:43
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he's pretty average, but has turned in some interesting stuff. Not bad for someone who was hired solely for his looks.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:50
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I loved him as Johnny Ryall in Fight For Your Right Revisited. Probably his finest work.
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Aug 17, 2016 22:13
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Gargamel Gibson posted:I loved him as Johnny Ryall in Fight For Your Right Revisited. Probably his finest work. At first I thought that said Fight For Your Life and thought they remade that hosed up movie, but with Orlando Bloom. Trailer's not safe for work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH0aKfbm8q0
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Aug 17, 2016 23:22
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:Orlando Bloom is just a bad actor. Have you seen him in Lord of the Rings?
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Aug 18, 2016 02:05
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Tenzarin posted:Have you seen him in Lord of the Rings? He's awful in that. They only hired him because he looks like a twinky elf.
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Aug 18, 2016 11:23
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Biomute posted:He's awful in that. They only hired him because he looks like a twinky elf. Elves also have a very muted, unemotional affect that allows for a mediocre actor be passable in the role. I say passable, because a great actor can obviously do more with it than just be passable. Kate Blanchette's Galadriel has way more depth than Legolas with like a tenth of the screentime.
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Aug 18, 2016 14:56
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